Orgasms to cure cancer isn't the only quackery Bernie promotes

[Sheepshank]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/9/1498831/-Bernie-Sanders-embraces-alternative-medicine

In other words, Sanders beliefs in quackery led him to add language to Obamacare to allow payment of alternative medicine, wasting good money for non-evidence based treatments. Worse yet, forcing the Veterans Administration, who is strapped for funds to provide healthcare to American veterans who fought in various wars, to pay for useless therapy.

I don't know why Sanders thinks using scarce funds to support junk medicine is a wise use of taxpayer money, when it could be better used to fight real diseases and provide real therapies to people who need it. Maybe it relates to some of his core beliefs about health and disease.

The Time article describes his life-long adherence to a core belief that things like grief and suffering can lead to cancer. Stress isn't good for general health, but there is simply no evidence that it leads to cancer. This overall belief that somehow the mind controls all aspects of one's health is just frightening. Ok, maybe your mind controls your addiction to cigarettes, a known cause of cancer – but the mind isn't directly involved with the cancer causing process, it's the cigarettes.[/div

And the quackery continued. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-freeman-sexual-freedom-fluoride...it's quite disturbing

[JaneyVee]

1. Weird stuff.

Add another to the list of GOP fodder against Bernard.

[JoFerret]

5. The GOP will have a field day with the wacko stuff

although of course they have even more wacky points of view on just about everything.

But if he were to become the nominee we would be hearing about this 24/7. Plus all the other silly crap (and sensible stuff that GOP objects to) from his past videos and writings.

[JaneyVee]

6. Yup. A downticket wipeout.

[JoFerret]

13. But not going to happen

because Hillary will win the nomination. And because she is supporting the down ticket candidates we have a decent shot at the filibuster-proof Congress any Democrat needs to actually be effective in the WH.

[angstlessk]

22. You consider Harvard Medical School wacko?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/mens-health/11617397/An-orgasm-a-day-could-keep-prostate-cancer-at-bay.html

For men in their forties, a daily orgasm can reduce the risk of developing prostate cancer by over 20 per cent, according to new research.

The study, conducted by Harvard Medical School, followed nearly 32,000 healthy men over 18 years, almost 4,000 of whom went on to develop prostate cancer.

[WhiteTara]

29. sounds like an ad for viagra nt

[YOHABLO]

36. This is not wacko stuff. You people who say it is, are terribly ignorant.

[angstlessk]

38. Harvard Medical School has done a study that says "For men in their forties, a daily orgasm...

...can reduce the risk of developing prostate cancer by over 20 per cent, according to new research."

I don't think it's wacky at all.

[NWCorona]

8. I'd rather have this than the GOP bringing up Hillary's client list

[JaneyVee]

10. No you wouldnt.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511637691

[NWCorona]

19. Yes I would

That video of Hillary talking about her client won't be good for her.

[JoFerret]

16. Lol. As if. n/t

[Politicalboi]

2. He's fighting for Medicare for all now

If this all you got.

[JoFerret]

9. That's good

I'm glad. But who on earth EVER believed in that Reichian stuff in the first place? Breast cancer for god's sake! It's actually rather sick and very weird that anyone believed this ever. Look - the GOP would be salivating over this stuff if it weren't for the fact that he won't be getting the nomination and they will be stuck trying to take down Hillary instead. (Good luck with that - they've been trying for decades)

[JaneyVee]

14. Which wouldnt cover womens healthcare...

Because federal money cant be used for the full scope of womens healthcare.

[dogman]

3. Because this guy feels GMOs are safe, I don't have a right to know what I am eating?

Heaven forbid Veterans might benefit from MMJ. I think orgasms might cure a lot of the worlds ills.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

4. a naturapathic physician diagnosed me after 2 GP's failed

And Obamacare is paying her bill

So, i read the article. It appears to be another baseless slander piece. For example, claiming that sanders support of integrated medicine is woo.

So... Those first two doctors never even bothered to ask me what my diet was like. They said my thyroid was fine. One even prescribed me a triple antibiotic for a skin condition that i have since got rid of by changing my diet. Interestingly, it involved adding healthy bacteria into my gut instead of killing them off with those antibiotics.

[Vinca]

7. So are people who find alternative therapies useful supposed to go without?

This particular line of attack seems straight from big pharma and the for-profit hospital lobbyists. I suppose they expect to get their money's worth. Can't blame them.

[Sheepshank]

15. So you are in the camp that multiple orgasms cures cervical cancer?

Or that we should not be repressing prepubescent girls so their brain is in a good place to avoid future cancers?

I fully understand some natural paths, but these particular claims Bernie has published, are outrageous, full on quackery.

[Eric J in MN]

32. In 1972, he wrote about an article he read saying that.

It doesn't mean he believes that today.

Medical research advances over the years. Our understanding of cancer today may seem primitive to someone 44 years from now.

[TM99]

40. Well, it works quite well for men.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3072021.stm

Perhaps the claims in the early 1970's were not sufficiently backed up with enough research but the point is that Sanders was discussing what scientists and MD's were saying then.

[Betty Karlson]

11. Completely weird stuff from Praise-Hill-At-All-Times.com

I have been using the ignore button all day, even when usually I am loath to do so.

The despair from camp Clinton is as palpable as its reaction is unpalatable.

[Sheepshank]

18. Why is it that Sanders supporter must announces the upcoming ignore?

Why can't you all just put someone on ignore without the announcement? It all so strange.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

25. we learned from hillbots. they even make whole new threads in that group

To giggle about it amongst themselves. A little contest on who can ignore more people and make their bubble the strongest

[JoFerret]

24. The weird stuff actually comes

from Bernie's own writings.

If you think Bernie is going to be the candidate I would suggest you dig into this stuff and deal with it. The GOP will surely salivate at the prospect of such wacky stuff.

[Armstead]

27. The GOP probably doesn't like any form of preventative medicine

[firebrand80]

12. Is this where I sign up for the orgasm study? nt

[JoFerret]

20. No. But it should be

... time to make sure both candidates are fully vetted before trying to launch them onto the big stage. These old opinions of Bernie's are truly wacky.

More than just weird and cultish they are (were) medically ignorant and dangerous.

However - I am pretty sure he no longer believes them. However that will not stop the GOP attack machine from having a field day.

Fortunately we will be spared that because he will not be the candidate.

[angstlessk]

17. Do you consider Harvard Medical School useless?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/mens-health/11617397/An-orgasm-a-day-could-keep-prostate-cancer-at-bay.html

[JoFerret]

21. So you think we should not fund breast cancer treatment?

After all - sex is (mostly) much cheaper.

Look -I know he wrote all this stuff years ago and also that he (most likely) disavows it now.

But don't defend it. It was weird and dangerous nonsense then. And it still is for anyone who believes it.

[angstlessk]

23. Where did it mention breast cancer?

So you think Harvard Medical School is dangerous and nonsensical?

Maybe Bernie was just AHEAD OF THE LOOP?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

26. from the articl. Hillary Clinton too

Hillary Clinton too
That doesn't mean that Hillary Clinton gets off the hook on the alternative medicine issue either. The Clintons have a long history with Dr. Mark Hyman, who is like the thought leader of a type of alternative medicine called functional medicine. Again, according to the peculiar wizard of medicine, Orac, "functional medicine ... is a form of highly dubious medicine that involves measuring all sorts of lab values and trying to correct them, whether it makes a difference or not."



Hillary takes the same desicated thyroid pill that i do. The same one that most Doctors won't prescribe because they claim it is not as good as the synthetic versions.

[KingFlorez]

28. Really weird

[Armstead]

30. You have officially hit the conservative old fart wall

[CentralMass]

31. A link to a study on the effect of stress on the metastasis of cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3037818/

asFuture oncology (London, England)
Author Manuscript
HHS Public Access
Impact of stress on cancer metastasis
Myrthala Moreno-Smith, Susan K Lutgendorf, and Anil K Sood

Additional article information

Abstract
The influence of psychosocial factors on the development and progression of cancer has been a longstanding hypothesis since ancient times. In fact, epidemiological and clinical studies over the past 30 years have provided strong evidence for links between chronic stress, depression and social isolation and cancer progression. By contrast, there is only limited evidence for the role of these behavioral factors in cancer initiation. Recent cellular and molecular studies have identified specific signaling pathways that impact cancer growth and metastasis. This article provides an overview of the relationship between psychosocial factors, specifically chronic stress, and cancer progression.

Keywords: cancer, catecholamine, metastasis, signaling pathway, stress
The major cause of death from cancer is metastasis that is resistant to conventional therapy [1]. Primary neoplasms are biologically heterogeneous and the process of metastasis consists of a series of sequential and selective steps that few cells can successfully complete. The outcome of cancer metastasis depends on multiple interactions between metastatic cells and homeostatic mechanisms that are unique to a given organ micro environment [2]. Therefore, the treatment of metastasis should be targeted not only against cancer cells, but also against the host factors that contribute to and support the progressive growth and survival of metastatic cancer cells. Clinical and epidemiological studies over the last 30 years have identified psychosocial factors including stress, chronic depression and lack of social support as risk factors for cancer progression [3-6]. Whereas evidence for the role of psychosocial factors in cancer initiation is limited and some-what contradictory [7-10], support is stronger for links between psychological factors such as stress, depression and social isolation and disease progression [11,12]. Chronicity of negative affect, as manifested by depressed mood or hopelessness, appears to have stronger relationships with outcomes than do stressful events, suggesting that sustained activation of negative affective pathways may provide the strongest links to cancer progression [13-16]. Moderators of stress, such as social support, have been frequently studied with respect to cancer outcomes. Social support refers to an individual’s perceived satisfaction with social relationships and is thought to play a major role in buffering psychological and biological stress tasis should be targeted not only against cancer cells, but also against the host factors that contribute to and support the progressive growth and survival of metastatic cancer cells. Clinical and epidemiological studies over the last 30 years have identified psychosocial factors including stress, chronic depression and lack of social support as risk factors for cancer progression [3-6]"

Future oncology (London, England)
Author Manuscript
HHS Public Access
Impact of stress on cancer metastasis
Myrthala Moreno-Smith, Susan K Lutgendorf, and Anil K Sood

Additional article information

Abstract
The influence of psychosocial factors on the development and progression of cancer has been a longstanding hypothesis since ancient times. In fact, epidemiological and clinical studies over the past 30 years have provided strong evidence for links between chronic stress, depression and social isolation and cancer progression. By contrast, there is only limited evidence for the role of these behavioral factors in cancer initiation. Recent cellular and molecular studies have identified specific signaling pathways that impact cancer growth and metastasis. This article provides an overview of the relationship between psychosocial factors, specifically chronic stress, and cancer progression.

Keywords: cancer, catecholamine, metastasis, signaling pathway, stress
The major cause of death from cancer is metastasis that is resistant to conventional therapy [1]. Primary neoplasms are biologically heterogeneous and the process of metastasis consists of a series of sequential and selective steps that few cells can successfully complete. The outcome of cancer metastasis depends on multiple interactions between metastatic cells and homeostatic mechanisms that are unique to a given organ micro environment [2]. Therefore, the treatment of metastasis should be targeted not only against cancer cells, but also against the host factors that contribute to and support the progressive growth and survival of metastatic cancer cells. Clinical and epidemiological studies over the last 30 years have identified psychosocial factors including stress, chronic depression and lack of social support as risk factors for cancer progression [3-6]. Whereas evidence for the role of psychosocial factors in cancer initiation is limited and some-what contradictory [7-10], support is stronger for links between psychological factors such as stress, depression and social isolation and disease progression [11,12]. Chronicity of negative affect, as manifested by depressed mood or hopelessness, appears to have stronger relationships with outcomes than do stressful events, :Future oncology (London, England)
Author Manuscript
HHS Public Access
Impact of stress on cancer metastasis
Myrthala Moreno-Smith, Susan K Lutgendorf, and Anil K Sood

Additional article information

Abstract
The influence of psychosocial factors on the development and progression of cancer has been a longstanding hypothesis since ancient times. In fact, epidemiological and clinical studies over the past 30 years have provided strong evidence for links between chronic stress, depression and social isolation and cancer progression. By contrast, there is only limited evidence for the role of these behavioral factors in cancer initiation. Recent cellular and molecular studies have identified specific signaling pathways that impact cancer growth and metastasis. This article provides an overview of the relationship between psychosocial factors, specifically chronic stress, and cancer progression.

Keywords: cancer, catecholamine, metastasis, signaling pathway, stress
The major cause of death from cancer is metastasis that is resistant to conventional therapy [1]. Primary neoplasms are biologically heterogeneous and the process of metastasis consists of a series of sequential and selective steps that few cells can successfully complete. The outcome of cancer metastasis depends on multiple interactions between metastatic cells and homeostatic mechanisms that are unique to a given organ micro environment [2]. Therefore, the treatment of metastasis should be targeted not only against cancer cells, but also against the host factors that contribute to and support the progressive growth and survival of metastatic cancer cells. Clinical and epidemiological studies over the last 30 years have identified psychosocial factors including stress, chronic depression and lack of social support as risk factors for cancer progression [3-6]. Whereas evidence for the role of psychosocial factors in cancer initiation is limited and some-what contradictory [7-10], support is stronger for links between psychological factors such as stress, depression and social isolation and disease progression [11,12]. Chronicity of negative affect, as manifested by depressed mood or hopelessness, appears to have stronger relationships with outcomes than do stressful events, suggesting that sustained activation of negative affective pathways may provide the strongest links to cancer progression [13-16]. Moderators of stress, such as social support, have been frequently studied with respect to cancer outcomes. Social support refers to an individual’s perceived satisfaction with social relationships and is thought to play a major role in buffering psychological and biological stress "

[beam me up scottie]

33. Don't confuse them with facts, they've been obsessing over the orgasm issue for months.

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Of course Bernie quoted from a medical journal at the time but that's not as SCANDALOUS a posting about ORGASMS *giggle snicker hee hee*

I swear this place reminds me of Free Republic more every day.

[CentralMass]

34. + 1,000,000

[beam me up scottie]

35. ZOMG BERNIE QUOTED A MEDICAL JOURNAL ABOUT THE 'O' WORD!!!! *swoons*

[MattP]

37. Time magazine had a story on it

[link:http://time.com/4249034/bernie-sanders-alternative-medicine-cancer/|

[YOHABLO]

39. Why is everyone so worried about what the GOP thinks. We all know they're a bunch

of fucking weird people themselves. I better get out of here, you people make me very angry.

[passiveporcupine]

41. This is a trash piece of poor journalism

As Time magazine has reported, Sanders has adopted alternative medicine since he started his political career in Vermont.

But, what they didn't say is that he no longer holds with all his earlier ideas.

in a recent interview about an essay from the same period that touched on sexual assault, he dismissed his old views. “I think I could make a good president, but I write fiction pretty poorly.”

Some of Sanders’ biggest supporters also suggest disease is linked to societal ills, including National Nurses United, a union and super PAC that is backing his presidential campaign. “Ultimately, all the ails of society present themselves in illness,” RoseAnn DeMoro, the union’s executive director, volunteered to TIME recently. “Everything has a physical or emotional or psychological component.”

The author tries to imply that the nurses believe that societal ills can cause cancer and other ills. No, that's not what they believe. They believe it may be a psychological component. For example, stress can run down your immune system, leaving you vulnerable to things your body might otherwise have fought off. Like when I was working under a lot of stress and getting bronchitis every single winter...but now that I'm retired, I never get it any more. Wonder if it's the lack of stress? Hmmmm.

He is on sander's case for allowing veterans to obtain some alternative health care now. Oh and we are wasting our tax dollars on that. Guess what they get? They can get massage therapy (which is very good for many things, inlcuding management of lympedema, a medical condition. I have two sisters who are massage therapists, and their regular customers swear by massage for loosening spasmed muscles that can cause all kinds of problems, and relieving stress. I could use some of that massage therapy right now, as I have pulled muscles in my upper and lower back and hot/cold packs and massage along with excercise would help a lot. Oh, and they also allowed the veterans to do yoga and meditation. IF anyone here has done yoga and meditation, I'm pretty sure they will tell you how beneficial it is. They are even starting to teach it in schools.

“You go to facilities, whether it is in White River Junction or facilities around the country,” Sanders said, “and now as an essential part of their overall health care delivery, you have yoga. You have meditation. You have a strong emphasis on disease prevention and nutrition.

So is Bernie trying to waste our money on wooo? No, just options that might actually be helping people.

Who would have thought that learning about disease prevention and good nutrition might actually keep you healthy or even help you get there. That is not wooo. Or you can just keep stuffing down the pills and get surgeries you maybe could do without if you followed some exercises and did yoga and have massage now and then.

Don't believe this shit. I'm not surprised it's coming up now...Clinton is getting worried again.