I don't understand why the MSM keeps ceding all the Latino and black vote to Hillary

[Baobab]

is there any reason besides its something they say because they don't want to talk about real issues of concern to all of us?

I'm white but if I was black or Latino I think I would vote for Bernie regardless and I honestly don't think ethnic background or race makes a damn bit of difference in this situation. There is no reason to believe that Hillary would be better for any group- not even the biggest "juridicial persons" (corporations)

I actually think Bernie actually would likely be better for them too. Because customers.

So we're left with basically the group of people who have attached themselves to her candidacy for sentimental or loyalty reasons, thats okay. Its not over until its over.

But its unwise to ignore the wishes of the young people of this country when trade deals, which are agreements to commit the entire future policy, forever, are involved.

Their wishes should matter the most there..

And thats where Bernie shines. No! No selling out our democracy to undemocratic back-room secret deals.

[Vattel]

1. He has done as well as Hillary with Latinos in many states.

[Punkingal]

2. Because they are so in the tank for Hillary they don't bother to check the facts.

[Rebkeh]

9. Wtf? Really?

[reformist2]

3. It's actually good evidence how the major media outlets lie to & brainwash the public.

You will NEVER hear that Bernie is winning the black vote in many states in the North. Not until the Hillary campaign collapses, at least. Same with the notion that women don't vote for Bernie, even though he wins something like 75% of women under 35. They are going to keep as many illusions going as possible.

[Baobab]

10. During the univision debate, on immigration, I think bernie had much better answers.

and the reason all those people are fleeing north is CAFTA - US agricultural subsidies are killing Mexican farmers- hurting farmers all over the world.

these trade deals are destroying other countries economies as well as our own.

this is what people are doing there- demonstrating.

[1StrongBlackMan]

4. If you were Black, you would, likely, have a different life experiences ...

which, in turn, informs life choices. So for your to say,

I'm white but if I was black or Latino I think I would vote for Bernie regardless and I honestly don't think ethnic background or race makes a damn bit of difference in this situation.

Is just stunningly ignorant (as in uninformed/simplistic).

[Baobab]

12. I know what discrimination feels like

even though I'm white, I know.

I also grew up in a non-racist, non-violent home. I have always been non-racist- thanks to my mom. Who participated in the civil rights movement.

We are all here on this planet together and we're going to go to the stars together too, I hope.

[CalvinballPro]

30. That's the line that stood out to me, and for exactly why you mentioned it. nt

[noiretextatique]

5. Because they are using the South as their model

Even though Sanders is projected to win the black vote in WI.

[Baobab]

24. When i say "South" in this context i mean the developing countries, as in Global South

South Centre, etc. Global South means the LDCs especially, the official Least Developed Countries.


the LDCs get a free pass on some forms of "discrimination" But, in the WTO context, discrimination means something VERY different than it does to us.

mostly it means discrimination against foreign corporations and their workforces, on government procurement of in many cases newly privatized services.

people should watch the video i posted yesterday with Ellen Gould, its very good. that deal, from the 1990s, and its more recent "negative list" progeny, which is almost completed, are what i am talking about.

its going to turn our work world upside down.


"The Global South refers to the countries of the rest of the world, most of which are located in the Southern Hemisphere. It includes both countries with medium human development (88 countries with an HDI less than .8 and greater than .5) and low human development (32 countries with an HDI of less than .5)."

[Aerows]

6. They are trying to generate a narrative

because everybody that isn't an idiot sees how flawed Hillary is as a candidate. She is toast if he gets momentum with all of the demographics that Democratic candidates usually get - young, latino, African American, gay - and Bernie is getting those votes like the avalanche that started with a pebble.

Nobody in the MSM or big business wants an outsider to win. That will thoroughly upset their apple cart and they are frightened by the prospect.

Hillary Clinton has *every* ace in the hole, and she is still in a slugfest for the primary. She was planning on pivoting to the GE around now, and she is still in a fight for her candidacy.

I'd like to be a fly on the wall during her morning meetings with her staffers.

[Rebkeh]

11. Exactly. Control the narrative, shape perception

and people will think the outcome the media wants is inevitable. It's all part of the strategy, and if you remember '08, they tried that then too. Obama's race alone was not necessarily going to get black votes.

This has been the plan for 20 years, '08 wasn't supposed to happen.

[GreatGazoo]

7. it polls that way - Clinton 52% Sanders 34%

[link: http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR131/filters/SC_RACE:5|2|4/dates/20151008-20160318/type/month|see poll graph at reuters]

If you reset filters there you can breakout by age and see Sanders stronger with younger voters across the board but the big picture is that one.

same data excluding ages 40+ -- 2|4,RESP_AGE:-4|-9/dates/20151008-20160318/type/month|sanders 51% to 37%

ETA: I can't fix the links but there is a poll tool at Reuters that lets you set filters and see the data graphed. real handy.

http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR131/

[JoePhilly]

8. You should start telling African Americans and Latinos why you think ...

... Bernie is better for "them".

Because clearly, they don't get it.

As you say ... They have "attached" themselves to her for "sentimental or loyalty reasons" ...

[Baobab]

15. Well, what I am thinking about there is something that nobody knows about that has a lot to do

with North-South trade policy and so called liberalisation of trade in services. I hope i am wrong but I see the less developed countries and the economic integration into the wto services liberalisation programme being used in a really cynical way which will hurt more recently hired groups in the US, by pushing down wages and privatizing big chunks of the quasi-public sector in a way which i think will disproportionately hurt nonwhite and younger Americans- as well as anybody who is self taught. To understand this one needs to understand what was promised to the developing countries from services liberalisation and see how it never has materialized in the way they were told it would be. basically, two different groups of people have been promised the same thing and I just don't have a good feeling.

[JoePhilly]

17. A graduate of the Sarah Palin school of word salad?

[Baobab]

18. Do you know about what is called "progressive liberalisation" or how its been sold to

the developing world, specifically on trade in services and government procurement? Or anything about the Doha development Agenda?

[JoePhilly]

21. "Progressive liberalization" ... Two abstract concepts ...

... Smashed together to create a scary monster, named Doha?

Didn't Godzilla fight Doha in the 80s?

Or was that Mothra?

I get them confused.

[Baobab]

27. progressive in this context means "irreversible" basically like a ratchet

ratchet in the trade context. People wonder why Clinton abolished long term "welfare" that was likely because of trade policy, also food stamps - thats likely because of agricultural trade policy. Don't make the assumption we have two parties that are arguing, on this they coordinate and not in a good way.

If you look at the developing countries, they are gearing up to offer their services to the US, to help us with our "labour shortages" in education and health care and IT. fake labor shortages totally unnecessary, manufactured.

look at this news story about local sourcing, and read between the lines.

No more New Deals- thats what I get from that.

And recently, idia filed a complaint with the WTO over the use of quotas to limit whats known as GATS Mode Four

[Gothmog]

13. Clinton won the Latino vote in Texas by a good margin

This makes me smile http://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/texas-colorado-latino-clinton-sanders?utm_term=.uo6wyo05Y#.ysepwL9y1

Hillary Clinton rolled on Super Tuesday, racking up wins across the South powered by black and older voters. And in Texas, where Hispanics made up 31% of the electorate according to exit polls, she won over 70% of their vote.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders won the Democratic caucus in Colorado, where Latinos make up 15% of eligible voters, but entrance polls were not available.

HUD Secretary Julian Castro, often mentioned as a possible vice presidential pick by Clinton, cautioned that exit polls are not definitive, but lauded her strength in states across the country as different as Nevada, Iowa, South Carolina, and now Texas.

“It’s not surprising,” Castro told BuzzFeed News. “Hillary Clinton has had strong support in the Latino community in Texas and throughout the country for a very long time, and tonight’s results in Texas and her strong support from Latinos are one more affirmation that she appeals to diverse communities. It says a lot about her ability to win in November.”

[Rebkeh]

14. You assume we all have the same reasons to vote for one or the other

POC are just as informed/uninformed, engaged/disengaged, etc as everybody else.

[1StrongBlackMan]

16. Thank you.

[Baobab]

20. Personally, my loyalty is to US "people of color" first

US people of color have had to grow up with discrimination which changes you. OTOH, people from the developing world haven't. they may have had lots of other obstacles, but they werent treated like ousiders in their own countries.

There are also class differences- Surprisingly, many people who seem to be gearing up for services liberalisation, I think are mostly looking for the experience, and they may often come from affluent families, in their developing countries, often they have far better education and that problematic because the WTO requires that contracts be awarded on the bais of 'objective and verifyable criteria' which means education, not experience-

In order to "liberalise" services, trade deals push privatization of the public sector and then put those contracts up for global competitive bidding.

thats going to hurt a lot of allegedly overpaid but undeniably struggling Americans who need to support their families.

[Rebkeh]

28. What are you even talking about?

None of that made any sense to me.

[Baobab]

32. Watch Ellen Gould's video, the other side of that deal.

"movement of natural persons" to provide services
The hidden part of the deal. the long delayed payback for globalization.

See this

[Rebkeh]

34. What does this have to do with the question in your OP?

Never mind, don't answer that.

I'm out.

[Baobab]

33. You know the stry of John Henry? Thats really about the race to the bottom

We are all John Henry

And that race killed him.

[mhatrw]

19. because it DIVIDES the 99%

[Baobab]

22. I am not a divider nor is Senator Sanders, he never met a trade deal he liked

and Hillary never met a trade deal she didn't like.

Plus bill signed his share of them, including this one.

[mhatrw]

31. No, it divides the 99% by race to suggest that all blacks & Latinos are voting for Clinton.

That's why the MSM loves that meme.

[Baobab]

35. Thats the best explanation so far- thank you

thats what they do, divide and conquer.

here is a 2006 article with the same name, this is a good read.

[KingFlorez]

23. Voting numbers

At this point the media is going off what the exit polls from actual primaries so far have shown.

[Tarc]

25. Thanks for the whitesplain, but I think Hillary's PoC voters can speak for themselves

[Baobab]

29. fair enough.

Google

"disciplines on domestic regulation"

[Onlooker]

36. Blacks and Latinos are sentimental and loyal; young people vote for their own interests?

That seems to be what your post says. That strikes me as a bit simplistic and insulting to all three groups.

[Baobab]

37. We shouldnt divide ourselves.. If there is any distinction, its between people and machines

looking 20 or 30 years into the future, thats the racism that we will need to overcome before it happens or its going to be the end of all of us.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. All of us.