I'm watching Martin O'Malley on MSNBC ...

[1StrongBlackMan]

Damn, I wish Democrats had seen in him what I did!

We'd be in a different place ... maybe.

[Agschmid]

1. Yup.

[morningfog]

2. I always liked him. He didn't get a fair look or s fair shake.

[1StrongBlackMan]

19. I said much earlier ...

the known HRC and the insurgent Sanders sucked all of the air out of the room. O'Malley had the platform of Sanders; but, far more detailed, and a better platform than HRC, without the baggage.

[retrowire]

21. This is true.

For me though, he lacked 2 things and this is what put Bernie over him for me...

1. He was funded by big money.
2. He didn't seem to have as much passion as Bernie.

[1StrongBlackMan]

23. No, he wasn't funded by "Big money" ...

And I don't care about "passion" ... I care about workable plans and past performance.

[retrowire]

25. Hmm...

Well I'll be damned about your first point. Maybe then it was the fact that Bernie was purely funded by the people that was more appealing then.

Passion may not matter to you but, well... We're all different!

I guess another factor was that O'Malley came in after I'd already grown familiar with Bernie.

[1StrongBlackMan]

27. LOL ...

Passion may not matter to you but, well... We're all different!

Yes ... competence matters far more to me than passion ... the former gets stuff done, the latter is about emotion.

[elleng]

57. OUR/MY money was the biggest he got, imo.

[Hortensis]

65. Oh, please. Politicians are free agents

these days. It was literally his job to make himself into a candidate he could sell to political professionals in the "invisible primary," to the press, to the people and, useful but infinitely less important, to the DNC.

Hillary worked far longer and harder and did a far better job. She started with national exposure by being first lady, then U.S. Senator, presidential candidate, Secretary of State, then ran this time, winning the invisible primary long before most people knew the race was on.

O'Malley was a state governor. So now, he has had a governorship and national exposure as a presidential candidate. Next, he'll...?

Btw, blaming the DNC is just plain stupid. This is 2016, not 1976. With the Information Revolution and ability to go straight to the voters, along with new money laws, party apparatus just isn't that important any more. If O'Malley was ready, the DNC literally couldn't hold him back. Look at what's happening on the right. The RNC loathes both Trump and Cruz but couldn't stop either.

[morningfog]

68. Who said anything about the DNC? Touchy.

[1StrongBlackMan]

76. I am really disappointed in O'Malley's campaign ...

though loved his platform and history of accomplishments.

This is 2016, not 1976. With the Information Revolution and ability to go straight to the voters, along with new money laws, party apparatus just isn't that important any more. If O'Malley was ready, the DNC literally couldn't hold him back.

Just like with Sanders.

[Peacetrain]

3. No kidding 1SBM

I am sitting here on the point of tears.. I was so proud to be one of his precinct captains in Iowa.. Just such vision and actual plans to accomplish it

[Newkularblue]

4. Agreed

[Bjornsdotter]

5. I don't know much about him

...but what I saw I liked. He was not given a fair chance and I blame the media. It used to be that the candidates were supposed to have equal time and I think that would have served the American people much better than the media deciding who was viable.

[snowy owl]

9. I agree - it's about media. And Bernie's donor base.

[shraby]

6. trump and Hillary sucked the air out of everything because the media was pushing the two.

[Blue_In_AK]

7. I appreciate that he wouldn't take Rachel's bait

when asked about the "Hillary is unqualified" thing. Very diplomatic.

[snowy owl]

8. Liked Bernie and O'Malley too. But it was alllllllll HIlllllllary at first! Bernie got the $$$

so he's still in.

[Jitter65]

10. He's going to be her VP. A birdie told me. nt

[DesertFlower]

13. that would be great.

[1StrongBlackMan]

20. I doubt that ... He represents a lack of geographic diversity.

ETA: But he is the freshman point guard that Democrats should redshirt for 2016, and give major playing time in 2016-2020.

[DesertFlower]

11. i really like him. i hope if hillary

becomes prez she'll give him a cabinet post. i'd like to see him run for prez again.

[sadoldgirl]

12. He was always my second choice, but the M$M

did not want him to interfere with the
Sanders/Clinton arguments.

It shows to all of us, what power the media
have in this whole election. Neutral? My foot!

[NWCorona]

14. I was positive /neutral on O'Malley

It's not fair but unfortunately he reminded me to much of John Edwards.

I've always said tho that if anyone should be pissed at the DNC it's O'Malley. They dogged him.

[bigtree]

15. k&r

...sigh.

[Mike Nelson]

16. Agree...

...fine Democrat. He could easily be Vice President and/or President in the future.

[firebrand80]

17. I still don't know why he didn't get more traction nt

[dogman]

22. Media first.

It seemed to me he was more of a technocrat than a populist. He didn't seem to be seen as an outsider, maybe because he stressed that he had a record. By the time they got to the debates he seemed to be confined to third place.

[Vote2016]

18. The former O'Malley supporters who now shill hard and not very honestly for Hillary! sadden me.

[1StrongBlackMan]

26. And resurrected DUers casting BS, sadden me.

[Vote2016]

28. Agreed! The great resurrection of 2016 was an error; so few learned anything from their banishment

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. You, certainly, haven't.

[Vote2016]

34. I've neither been banished nor resurrected. It seemed like mostly Hillary-shills who got resurrected

[1StrongBlackMan]

37. Of course you haven't ... You were DU:Born with historical knowledge.

[Hortensis]

64. :)

[elleng]

55. I don't know who you're referring to,

fortunately I guess.

[geek tragedy]

24. really is a shame, he just never reached critical mass.

what he really lacked was a national profile and base of support. hopefully he can build on that going forward.

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. Yep ... and I suspect he will ...

and he knows it.

Now, its up to him to work a plan.

[geek tragedy]

32. the problem is that he lacks star power, to put it in really shallow terms.

candidates who come out of nowhere need that.

he needs to get himself somewhere high profile. Cabinet position in next administration would be a great start.

[SusanCalvin]

36. He has an odd, stilted style, to me, even though I like him.

I've always thought he could benefit for a good speech coach.

[elleng]

58. I guess that means he DISCUSSES and converses about SUBSTANCE.

O'Malley's Plans

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12813600

[SusanCalvin]

69. No, it doesn't necessarily, although I agree he does.

It means exactly what I said. So I don't know what's with the shrug smilie. I think it has the potential to affect some people's perception of him. It was meant as an observation, not a slam. I do like him.

[elleng]

72. Thanks.

No discourtesy intended.

[SusanCalvin]

74. Thanks.

I do like him. I have been a speech coach, so it popped into my mind.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

30. He was very likable tonight. I had only seen his town hall with Rachel and he was really awkward.

But tonight, good night.

[Agnosticsherbet]

33. I would have rather seen O'Mally and Clinton.

He is young, and I suspect we will see him again.

[SusanCalvin]

35. Yes.

I'm glad I saw the interview and I'm glad you posted about it.

[delrem]

38. You didn't promote Martin O'Malley on DU.

To be sure, you weren't negative toward O'Malley as you are toward Sanders.
You didn't sport a swiftboating sig. line against O'Malley.
But you didn't support and promote O'Malley. Few did.

I didn't do anything for O'Malley either.

O'Malley didn't have establishment DNC/DLC support like Clinton, nor did a grass roots boldly leftist movement coalesce around his candidacy as around Sanders.

My preferences: I very much dislike Clinton (war! unleashed profiteering! Secrecy!). I like O'Malley (Measured - not into war. Intelligent - open to regulation of investment capital and the consideration of other interests. Transparent.). I support and promote Sanders (Measured - not into war. Intelligent - open to regulation of investment capital and the consideration of other interests. Transparent. Boldly proposing much needed solutions to social problems w.r.t. health, education and livability.)

[1StrongBlackMan]

44. Bullshit ... But I will admit my dislike for Bernie and ...

my dislike for the BS attacks on HRC by Team:Bernie got more of my attention.

[delrem]

45. I stand by my reply.

[1StrongBlackMan]

50. Of course, you do ... What you think ...

no matter how incorrect or ill-informed ... is always correct.

[delrem]

51. I mean, I have no more to say and I stand by my words. OK? /nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

52. You had nothing to say from the start ...

beyond your uninformed accusations ... because I didn't pay appropriate homage to Bernie.

[delrem]

53. oh fer fugsague.

I never asked you to pay homage to Bernie.

I didn't accuse you of anything - except for mentioning your swiftboating sig. line.

But that sig. line is on you, not me, and I sure as hell don't have to answer for it.

[Joe the Revelator]

39. I agree.

[Armstead]

40. If O'Malley had gained traction I suspect he'd be the target of the same demonization...

that Sanders has been subjected to.

[1StrongBlackMan]

46. And the demonization of HRC by Supporters.

[Fumesucker]

47. They'd be calling O'Malley the Breck Girl by now

[delrem]

49. It's hard to know.

If O'Malley had gained traction I think it would have been mostly at the expense of Hillary Clinton, at the expense of the extreme right, at the expense of the Kaganesque caricature that the Clintons have introduced. It would have been at the expense of the extreme submission to the Republican agenda, where e.g. in her speech to AIPAC and her op-ed written for the right wing Israeli forward.com Hillary in effect identified with the Republicans who invited Netanyahu to the USA to shame Pres. Obama.

O'Malley was so totally NOT THAT!

I think that if O'Malley had gained traction the debates and the campaigns would have become more substantive and Hillary Clinton would have been sidelined.

[jfern]

67. Exactly

Hillary people only seem to like him because their candidate hasn't spent the entire last year attacking him.

[jillan]

41. I always liked him. I was actually torn between him and Bernie.

[one_voice]

42. K&R

[PufPuf23]

43. I like and liked O'Malley too ....

but he was an unknown to me unlike Bernie Sanders so I favored Sanders from the start.

If O'Malley had been the competitive alternative to Hillary Clinton, he would have my support.

O'Malley received less coverage in the media and at DU and was gone before I could warm to him.

Alas because of the suckage now.

[Gothmog]

48. I was thinking about you when I listened to this interview on the drive home

[elleng]

54. YES, Man.

We'd surely be in a different place, maybe even discussing SUBSTANCE!

Where the F were Democrats???

[1StrongBlackMan]

59. LOL... most were cheering and DU was booing; but, few were listening.

[elleng]

60. Right.

[PragmaticLiberal]

70. "We'd surely be in a different place, maybe even discussing SUBSTANCE! "

Yep.


Just look at his policy proposals and how detailed they were..... the result of having ACTUALLY implemented progressive policies.

And before someone screams "Just look at Baltimore", yes....I know exactly what Baltimore was like before O'Malley took office, what it was like under him...and after he left. Thanks.

[elleng]

73. Thanks, Liberal.

[1StrongBlackMan]

77. That is what sold me on him ...

his policy proposals and how detailed they were AND his record for actually getting progressive policies through his legislature.

[elleng]

56. I'm about to watch for the 2d time.

[Lucinda]

61. He's still young enough to do a lot of good.

Can't wait to see what is next for him!

[strategery blunder]

62. I do hope we hear more from Martin O'Malley in the future.

I wish he had entered the race before he actually did. By the time I learned more about him and his record, unfortunately it was clear that he would not reach viability in this election cycle. By the time I had the chance to caucus on 26 March, he had been out of the race for a long time.

He still has lots of time to prepare for a future run, and I hope to be able to vote for him around 2024.

[1StrongBlackMan]

78. I really don't care how a politician sounds ... I care about what they accomplish.

[Kentonio]

66. He always sounds insincere to me.

It might just be his manner, but every time I hear him it seems artificial.

[Yurovsky]

71. I think he's got a little Anthony Weiner in him...

just seems a wee bit into himself. I could be wrong. Just a general vibe I get from the admittedly limited exposure he's gotten in the media.

[TheFarseer]

75. He'd be a shoe in in the general and has the best positions of all three if you ask me

so I hear you.