All this talk about whose supporters are more polite, who has more vitriol,

[ProfessorPlum]

who said who was more unqualified . . .

misses the fucking point.

Our country is now run like a giant mafia - there are no laws for the people inside, and they all help and protect each other while picking everyone else's pockets. The rest of us are commodities, chum, fertilizer, labor units, disposable . . . to be picked clean of our labor and wealth and health and thrown away at the first sign that we might cost one of them a dollar in care.

What the hell is the Democratic party going to do about it? Nothing, since we are led by members of that mafia.

God, wake the hell up! This country needs a new FDR yesterday, and we watch the ritual slaughter of Sanders by all of the powers that be, the sneering, bought media and the DNC, as if it is some game.

I never expected Sanders to win, I never even expected it to be close, but as long as it is, his ideas and the power of his vision for our society deserve to be treated with the utmost respect - because they reflect the respect that we should have for ourselves and our fellow citizens - that we aren't just robots to be fed and clothed the minimum amount that will get our enormously productive labor out of us. Sanders represents the idea that being a human being matters more than what they contribute to some bottom line somewhere - and that makes it a stand of humanity against the giant, soulless, corporate machines that we have built and keep letting run our lives as if they have some magical answer for our civilization. It's just greed!

Let Hillary have her coronation, but for god's sake, don't forget what Bernie has tried to keep alight - the ideas of human dignity in the face of corporate rapaciousness.

[VulgarPoet]

1. You're wasting your breath. Half of these people support this Orwellian nightmare.

And a large majority of the downticket is Third Way bought anyway. They won't do anything without absolute, total victory-- they have to be dragged, kicking and screaming into proper evolution, and not Clintonian weathervane technique.

[tabasco]

2. New Deal II is exactly what the country needs,

but it might take another Great Depression to get it.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of gullible people in the country and this is the era of Citizens United and non-stop propaganda. It will be very difficult for a true reformer like Sanders to get elected without a major social/economic disaster, which will inflict great pain and suffering on the American people.

[ProfessorPlum]

3. I agree in large part

but think about this: Sanders is going to come amazingly close to getting as many pledged delegates as the system's chosen candidate, despite every disadvantage and the contempt and badwill of the party, the media, and the corporate leaders in the country.

that's at least hopeful.

[ProfessorPlum]

4. also, didn't we already have another Great Depression?

this could be harder than I thought.

[tabasco]

5. Not even close.

Bush was a disaster, but let's not forget the true magnitude of the Great Depression.