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antigop

(12,778 posts)
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:27 AM Apr 2016

Clinton vs. Trump: Even their supporters don’t like them

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article70343792.html

WASHINGTON

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are unusually weak, widely disliked presidential candidates whom most people plan to vote against if the front-runners meet in the general election.

Most people who’d vote for Clinton would do so because they want to defeat Trump, not because they actually want to elect her, according to a new McClatchy-Marist poll.

And most of those who’d vote for Trump would do it because they want to defeat Clinton, not because they like Trump.

The winner? He or she is likely to begin the presidential term without the usual honeymoon period.

“The winner would wind up one of the least popular presidents” to take office in recent times, said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion in New York, which conducted the nationwide poll.


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Clinton vs. Trump: Even their supporters don’t like them (Original Post) antigop Apr 2016 OP
Yes! GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #1
Saw this cartoon this morning Bob41213 Apr 2016 #2
Very accurate Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #3
Yes, I don't like her.... dubyadiprecession Apr 2016 #4
Yet Hillary has a higher popular vote total than any other candidate in either party. Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #5
Dems like her just fine thesquanderer Apr 2016 #9
Yeah, no. Dems know her Rebkeh Apr 2016 #12
Let see how much the voting population likes her after the April 16, New York City Iraqi War Protest DhhD Apr 2016 #20
That's what I don't get Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #23
You cannot conflate elljay Apr 2016 #16
Funny how that doesn't include many states Bernie won... nt revbones Apr 2016 #26
But the Pope like Bernie revbones Apr 2016 #6
The winner - the 1% Skwmom Apr 2016 #7
It is such a strange phenomenon. Why would people vote for someone they don't like when they have an liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #8
I think a lot of it is voting against someone they like even less. arcane1 Apr 2016 #10
Honestly, IMO I think the reason Hillary has... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #11
I don't think she is all that liked among registered Democrats. At my caucus there was a long pause liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #13
Exactly Rebkeh Apr 2016 #14
Name recognition and false beliefs about electability... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #18
Why vote for HRC if you like Bernie better and in the process alienate a... stillwaiting Apr 2016 #15
To the ,"i like Bernie, but," bunch: Are they proud of the the Victory Fund? DhhD Apr 2016 #21
right--the exit polls always have Clinton voters going "she's the candidate ahead of the Republican, MisterP Apr 2016 #17
If most of america feels this way wouldn't that make the first female president also the most hated? Joob Apr 2016 #19
You are correct - Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #22
good point. liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #24
Donald Trump has more votes than Bernie fun n serious Apr 2016 #25
'If we are going to nominate someone who 50% of our people can't stand, elleng Apr 2016 #27

Arkansas Granny

(31,522 posts)
5. Yet Hillary has a higher popular vote total than any other candidate in either party.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary Clinton: 9,350,448
Bernie Sanders: 6,946,757
Donald Trump: 8,197,535
Ted Cruz: 6,263,349

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
9. Dems like her just fine
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:49 AM
Apr 2016

but the voting population at large, not so much. Unfavorables over 50, even after accounting for the fact that Dems overwhelmingly view her favorably, which means she's WAY underwater outside the base.

(As for vote total, that's also skewed because the Dem primary vote has been split among fewer candidates.)

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
12. Yeah, no. Dems know her
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:14 AM
Apr 2016

Had Bernie been running for president since the 90's, they'd like him too. Probably more.

Yours is not an apples to apples comparison.

Honestly, he can only gain supporters and always does, once they see through the bias and lies peddled by the Clinton machine. Once he has them, he rarely loses them.

It ain't over til it's over.

Edited to add: I agree about the base, I just think it's even worse than that.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
20. Let see how much the voting population likes her after the April 16, New York City Iraqi War Protest
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:43 PM
Apr 2016

Those that like her; are they voting to restart a huge war in the Middle East? Are Republicans for war? Very much so. How about that crowd that receives Medicare and Social Security? Bernie wants to expand. Clinton has plans to manage the way we receive the safety net. Does that mean a fee set up by her Wall Street pal Pete Peterson?

elljay

(1,178 posts)
16. You cannot conflate
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

voter totals from primary and caucus states. A caucus will always draw fewer voters. Yours is a meaningless statistic.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
8. It is such a strange phenomenon. Why would people vote for someone they don't like when they have an
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:47 AM
Apr 2016

alternative? Time after time I hear "I like Bernie, but". But nothing, why would vote for someone you don't like when you have a choice? If it is because of fear that Bernie is unelectable, that has been proven completely untrue. He has won many caucuses and primaries and he is even now ahead of Hillary in national polls. Not to mention that he beats all Republicans in the GE polls. Have we really been that well trained by our 1% masters? Could we really end up with a President no one likes? It is so bizarre.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
10. I think a lot of it is voting against someone they like even less.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:54 AM
Apr 2016

I look forward to voting FOR someone this time!

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
11. Honestly, IMO I think the reason Hillary has...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:01 AM
Apr 2016

The lead she does is because 1) she is liked by a majority registered Democrats and 2) many Dems see her as the best chance to beat the GOP (polls show this isn't the case, quite the opposite), and there is a lot of fear about the possibility of a president Trump.

But the trend seems to be as voters start paying attention and getting more familiar with Bernie, support shifts towards Sanders.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
13. I don't think she is all that liked among registered Democrats. At my caucus there was a long pause
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

before anyone would volunteer to be a Hillary delegate and there was only one spot to fill. The other 4 were Bernie delegates. And she was grumbling about schedules. I have to wonder if she will even show up at the county caucus.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
14. Exactly
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

She won't gain any suppirters, she can only lose them. While Bernie is new to most people, he can gain more and rarely loses supporters.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
15. Why vote for HRC if you like Bernie better and in the process alienate a...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

... significant part of the Democratic base, completely turn youth away from the Party, and horrify independents?

How in the hell is that smart on any level?!?!

How is that GOOD for the future of the Democratic Party and our prospects of winning the White House in November?

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
21. To the ,"i like Bernie, but," bunch: Are they proud of the the Victory Fund?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:53 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/

Scroll down to find Texas.

Where do the Texas Superdelegates and Delegates stand on this?


Bernie is getting better and better to some or is it to many?

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
17. right--the exit polls always have Clinton voters going "she's the candidate ahead of the Republican,
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:20 PM
Apr 2016

right?"

THAT'S the only real issue Sanders has to hit on

Joob

(1,065 posts)
19. If most of america feels this way wouldn't that make the first female president also the most hated?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:26 PM
Apr 2016

I don't understand why people who vote just because of gender would want that.

elleng

(131,028 posts)
27. 'If we are going to nominate someone who 50% of our people can't stand,
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:13 AM
Apr 2016

we will lose.'
Marco Rubio

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