Bernie invited himself to the Vatican...

[Cali_Democrat]

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders reached out to obtain his invitation to the Vatican and showed “monumental discourtesy” in the process, a senior Vatican official said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-08/vatican-academy-criticizes-sanders-s-monumental-discourtesy

[onehandle]

1. A Trump like move. nt

[workinclasszero]

12. It figures eh?

[Loudestlib]

76. **sigh**

Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-vatican-idUSKCN0X5257

[roguevalley]

21. lying is a mortal sin. the vatican debunked this lie. Check the greatest list

[lostnfound]

56. How embarrassing that some keep trying to spread it.

And embarrassing that it bugs them so much that Bernie was invited.

Embarrassing that they don't understand why a Vatican that has expressed repeated concern that a poverty-producing global economic order was stripping human beings of their dignity might find alignment with a man who has made that one of the central issues of his campaign and his entire career.

It must be terrible to have to ignore the truth so much. To have to be opposed to people who are interested in economic and social justice. It must be sad.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

2. Claims the Third Wayer Margaret Archer... nt

[morningfog]

3. No he didn't. I do enjoy the full run by so many to act so stupid.

He requested and invitation, they then extended an invitation to him.

YOu can't invite yourself. This is asinine and you all lack any critical independent thought.

[politicaljunkie41910]

50. Sorry but I saw Bernie on Morning Joe this a.m. and he stated that he had an invitation from the

Vatican, which translates to "the Pope", when in fact he had received an invitation from the local guy in NY who had not even run it by the head of the Academy who is sponsoring the conference. Bernie either didn't know to what he was being invited and who was inviting him, or he was being dishonest. Either way, it doesn't reflect well on the man who claims to be the gatekeeper of all that is pure and honest. Now he has put the Vatican in a poor posture, because he has injected politics into the situation.

"...But the office of the pope moved quickly to distance the pontiff from the visit. Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope’s spokesman, said Sanders had been invited “not by the pope but by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences.” Lombardi told the Italian news agency Ansa: “For the moment there is no expectation that there will also be a meeting with the pope.” ...

Now if Bernie was so interested in the Conference and not in scoring political points, I would suggest that he attend the 4-day conference (for all four days) which runs directly in the days preceeding the NY primary, knowing that he will not be meeting with the pope, and that he will be missing out on perhaps the debate and all those rally's he has scheduled prior to the NY Primary. If he then chooses to pass on the trip to the conference, we'll know what his intentions were.

[morningfog]

52. I accept your apology.

[politicaljunkie41910]

55. I didn't apologize. I see you interpret as well as you spell.

If you play your condescending attitude with me, expect that I will reciprocate. As I said, I saw Bernie's interview this morning and he made if perfectly clear that he had received an invitation from the Vatican based on the ideas he was espousing as part of his presidential campaign. The Vatican's response says otherwise. It appears the armor of honesty and trustworthiness is starting to chip off of Mr. Sanders.

[morningfog]

59. Look out, we gotta tough guy!

[angrychair]

63. READING COMPREHENSION IS NOT YOUR FRIEND EITHER again

I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event. He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.
"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[KingFlorez]

4. Some much for the "Bernie got invited, but Hillary didn't" meme

[JudyM]

51. Catch up. He was invited - to a conference. The OP assertion has been debunked.

[Nanjeanne]

5. Can we all invite ourselves to speak? I'm going to invite myself too. Yay. So easy to get an invite!

[Cali_Democrat]

10. Sweet!

[silvershadow]

6. He must be all-powerful, because they accepted (and the smear job was debunked). nt

[panader0]

7. No--here is the release by the Vatican. But nice try...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511681227

[Iliyah]

9. And the second statement the Vatican

just confirmed it. The Pope ain't gonna like this at all.

[wiltom99]

13. Hill Shills are in full meltdown!

They know this will sew up NY for Bernie, his home state. They know that since NY is 1/3 catholic, Hillary will lose and lose big. Their corrupt candidate is sinking fast! She needs to drop out now and endorse Bernie.

[Kalidurga]

28. New York is about 65% Catholic so it's much worse than you think.

I had no idea myself. I googled that. Funny how they reacted to that news.

[George II]

62. In 1960, although Catholic JFK won New York in the Presidential election, he won with only 52%...

....I don't see how Sanders' pleading with the Pope to see him winning New York.

Sander's "home state"? He turned his back on New York 50 years ago, Clinton is more of a New Yorker than Sanders is.

By the way, before I forget....welcome back!

[TheSarcastinator]

14. riiiiiiiiight, cuz that's all it takes, right?

I mean, inviting yourself to the Vatican is easy, right? How Hillary-ously ridiculous can you be?

[TheBlackAdder]

15. Ugh! The new completely ignorant meme of the day!

[Scuba]

16. Debunked, yet you leave it here. Why don't you self-delete before some cynical person concludes ...

... that you're being dishonest?

[Cali_Democrat]

18. I've taken your request into consideration and I will respectfully have to decline that request.

Please feel free to appeal my decision if you would like.

If you need more information on the appeals process, just let me know.

Thanks.

[morningfog]

20. PRIDEFUL IGNORANCE AND SHIT STIRRING!

[NorthCarolina]

25. Perfect example of the dearth of credibility that exists in camp Hillary.

I for one would rather see it stand for all to see as a testament to that exact fact. In fact, I may come back and kick it a few times.

[seattleite]

35. Yep, just makes Team Hillary look even worse. They're trying SO hard to lose this election!

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Since the Vatican itself

debunked this, you are just adding to your credibility.

lemme see who do I trust on this? THE VATICAN, or CALI-DEMOCRAT?

That is one hard question to answer, isn't it? Please proceed with this...

(And I will have to add this since I know some will miss it)

[HillareeeHillaraah]

48. I'm curious...

In this post are you Nadin, the impartial journalist or Nadin the snarky Sanders supporter?

It's hard to tell sometimes.


Right back atcha.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. I hate propaganda, and in this case it is at PRAVDA level

More like Minitrue... and when I write for the paper I walk a line round the center.

By the way, I am actually working on a story on the Panama Papers... and how they are related to why my neighbors cannot afford basic shit like oh housing. Yes, the Obama, Bush and Clinton Administrations have made this easier though TPAs, and there is real outrage. Not that CNN will bother telling you this. I also do not expect most of our politicians to give a rats ass about that. But the pitchforks are going to come.

There is more, this idiocy is to remove a discussion of this from your screens.

For the record, stories of this are spanning the political media from oh NewsMax (I came across the link two seconds ago) to CNN... sorry cupcake. And to quote Bill, the only thing he had right on that, was... "tell the truth."

I would prefer BOTH to spend a lot more quality time on POLICY, like poverty, income inequality and state corruption.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

53. Much more than I actually asked about but ok...

On just the Vatican story, putting on your impartial Journalist hat, the story unfolds publically something like this:

Bernie spox on Morning Java crows about the invite. Political back and forth ensues.

The woman who is running the conference, who is based in Rome responds with no that's not how it went down, first, he asked to be invited, and second, for him to not contact her first was a slight and not protocol.

Then, a Monsignor who's in NY and is her superior says no no, I invited him, and she knew all about it. What she forgot?

And now she's no longer speaking about it.

This passes the smell test? The Vatican inserts itself in an American election? Really....

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. And there is the talking point that you guys are testing

nice...

I think the list of people invited and the reasoning behind it is closer to the truth.

We wanted a person from North America. They could have invited PM Trudeau... I suspect none wants to give any air time to President Pena Nieto (plus he is a neoliberal) the full list they released had not a one of them. And Lopez Obrador is an embarrassment at this point. You might want to look at the list.

So yes I am taking the Vatican's POV here. I also do not expect this to play that much of a role with American Catholics who are next to vote, The part of the story you missed. Though in the optics department, he being in the Vatican discussing income inequality will be a hell of a contrast with HRC at a nice swank fundraiser.

And anyway, how many posts from the ACTUAL VATICAN INVITATION need to be posted for the OP to finally remove the false narrative...

For the record, I don't expect her to, and I know Bloomberg News did an oopsie. They happen.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

57. Well agree to disagree

Of all the leaders and thinkers in North America, they picked a guy in the middle of a contentious primary race.

To believe that is to believe that the Vatican was clueless as to the perception of the invitation as a gesture of an endorsement. Or one has to believe that the Vatican all of the sudden is getting involved in Amercian Elections. One cannot broadly discount either of those two scenarios.

And I cannot simply toss away the initial reaction from the very woman who is running the gathering. She was clear and adamant. And now she's not speaking.

I think you are choosing to believe the narrative that favors your candidate.

Which I imagine you reject, so agree to disagree.

Peace.

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. Alas he was recommended by one of the top economists in the world

who happens to be an American... so there is that. Oh and by the way that economist is talking at the conference.

What I got to wonder is what level of coordination exists between the actual campaign and posters here. The talking points are amazingly the same.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

65. Talking Points?

Yeah, no , I'm a furniture maker from NY not paid by anyone other than my customers...

If the talking points read similarly maybe it's because these alleged talking points are obvious truths that anyone can come up with on their own.

Or you could believe that anyone who questions his campaign is coordinating somehow with hers.

Not the case here.

But let me ask you this, getting away from the smell test of it all: why is he going to sit and listen to this event, half way round the world in the middle of the New York primary? He's not speaking, just listening....he's not, so far, having an audience with the Pope. What's the point except for it to appear statesman-like? The timing of it seems ill-advised - its an exhausting journey and he already looks tired; it will cost the campaign a bundle (does the campaign pay for the trip or is this his own out of pocket? That's just a curiosity, doesn't matter to me either way.)

And why did he go on the View and say yes, he's meeting with the Pope? It's too easy to disprove, what could possibly have been his motive to mislead, other than something political.

Primaries are political and he just seems clunky lately -

[Cha]

19. The office of the pope moved quickly to distance the pontiff from Sanders’s visit. Father Federico

Lombardi, the Pope’s spokesman, said Sanders had been invited “not by the pope but by the pontifical academy of social sciences.” Lombardi told the Italian news agency Ansa: “For the moment there is no expectation that there will also be a meeting with the pope.”

Thank you, Cali~

[beam me up scottie]

44. "Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican"

Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

VATICAN CITY/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

I hope that crow is nice and tender.

[kgnu_fan]

22. Demagogue. Sincere apology is required here.

[B Calm]

23. How many times today has this Bloomberg Financial article been debunked?

[DebDoo]

24. If all you have to do is ask for an invitation why didn't Hillary ask?

[CorkySt.Clair]

26. I'm not sure the OP title is completely correct

But it's clear that Bernie was FOS when he said he was invited by the Vatican on Morning Joe. That's not what happened at all, though I won't go so far as to say he invited himself.

[Goblinmonger]

27. FALSE

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35999269

But, hey, I rec'd this so everyone can see the desperation.

Keep it up.

[Marr]

29. Aww... yet another smear campaign shot down in it's infancy.

[JonLeibowitz]

30. Kicking. i want more people to see the lies you spread!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

31. You post a lot of untruthful things. Look into that.

[jfern]

32. Liar liar pants on fire

[SheenaR]

33. If i put something blatantly false and debunked up

I'd have the integrity to take it down.

Several here disagree

[dr60omg]

34. Why do people feel compelled to lie about something. The Vatican provided proof they did

http://news.trust.org/item/20160408180858-dibw3

[melman]

37. They are addicted to self-embarrassment

Why else would they do it again and again?

[morningfog]

40. They hate Bernie so much they leave lies with pride.

That or they are on the dole.

[rachacha]

36. Now debunked.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-vatican-idUSKCN0X5257

[SMC22307]

43. Friction between Sorondo and Archer?

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

An invitation to Sanders dated March 30, which was emailed to Reuters, was signed by Sorondo and also included Archer's name.

Damn, I've been working out in the yard most of the day... seems I've missed quite a kerfuffle!

[Beacool]

75. I frankly don't care about this non-issue.

But, the argument is between the chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences (Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo) and its president (Margaret Archer). She's the one who didn't seem amused by the invitation. No one was any the wiser until she made her opinion known to Bloomberg.

[Fumesucker]

39. K&R for the lulz..

No one appreciates good satire any more, hell you can't even recognize it without a road map GPS.

[morningfog]

41. Any comment on Bill Clinton's racist rant?

Or is your concern limited to race baiting Bernie supporters?

[frylock]

42. Better luck tomorrow.

[jmg257]

45. Or not. Swing and a miss...

[tabasco]

46. Clinton campaign scuzziness backfires.

What an awful campaign Clinton is running!

Terribly bad judgment by Clinton to hire sleazebag Brock.

[BlindTiresias]

47. Nice try

But it has already been debunked, kid.

[DesertRat]

60. Did a birdie tell him that this was a good idea?

[beam me up scottie]

64. The op? Well someone must have told him to do it, and he still won't delete:

Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

VATICAN CITY/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[TheFarS1de]

66. Ask him ....

A lot of people hate a little bird ... sad . But if you get no answer from the bird ask this guy ....

If your after advice from an animal , worth a shot .

[DesertRat]

70. I wouldn't recommend campaign advice from an animal

And it's You're.

[TheFarS1de]

72. Your the one talking about getting advice from animals

I merely pointed out the stupidity of the assertion . Left the spelling mistake as that is the least of what needs correction on these forums .

[azurnoir]

67. Has a birdie told you this has been debunked?

[DesertRat]

69. By good idea, I mean why go at all.

He's attending an academic conference in Europe, days before the NY Primary. He's not scheduled to be a speaker and Pope Francis isn't scheduled to be there.

[Historic NY]

68. And he won't be kissing the Pope's ring....

[Nanjeanne]

71. You know, even though this thread is bs I was thinking even if it were true I would

Still be thrilled. How wonderful that my candidate would be someone who thought that this symposium was important enough to be at it. To interact with thinkers on topics as important as what will be discussed there.

How much better that Bernie Sanders wants to discuss these kinds of issues rather than speaking to a room of Wall Street elite for a humongous fee.

Good for you Senator Sanders.

[B Calm]

73. +1

[NorthCarolina]

74. Well, you know, the Pope advocates on behalf of those that Hillary folks believe

are just freeloaders looking for free stuff and handouts. Poor, schmoore, get a job deadbeat then maybe you can go to College and afford healthcare. The compassionate bootstrap theory.