It is really horrible that Sanders wants to attend a conference on Social and Economic Justice

[Armstead]

Last edited Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:20 PM - Edit history (1)

It's fine for Clinton to spend her time at private fund raising gatherings with ridiculously high costs of admission and which are organized and attended by Mega Rich and Powerful Elites, including Corporate and Wall St. Oligarchs.

Some people have really strange value systems.

[tokenlib]

1. It really is wonderful news! You can tell by all the Clinton supporters sniping at it...

It brings attention to the issues that both the Pope and Bernie care so deeply about. And it focuses on the issues that Hillary and the Third Way really don't give a crap about.

[Punkingal]

2. This is the most absurd and ridiculous criticism yet.

[HerbChestnut]

3. Yeah, it's been getting weird around here lately.

I guess it's just the reality that Hillary isn't as inevitable as she's been made out to be.

[Armstead]

7. I keep getting 2008 Groundhog Day flashes

Senator Obama the messianic, manipulative, inexperienced and lying leader of a cult movement of bullies and naive robots.

[Armstead]

4. Maybe it's jealousy

I'm sure if Clinton were attending it, they'd be crowing how it shows what a respected and caring world leader she is.

[Punkingal]

11. No doubt they would.

Heads must be exploding in Campaign Clinton headquarters.

[pengu]

29. Just wait until tomorrow

[Lodestar]

5. .....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511681050

[morningfog]

6. Some people have less scruples than their icon St. HIllary.

[blm]

8. This is what happens when media twists words to get the headline

they think is most exciting. In this case, they took Sanders simple remark and exaggerated the implications.

I don't see any real blame in either camp. Once again, it's added friction caused by media's lack of accuracy.

[Armstead]

12. I used to have the TV news on in the background while working

Lately I have been keeping it off except for periodic check ins. I get tired of these fat and happy "journalists and commentators" parroting talking points designed to stir the pot rather than actually inform and analyze.

[blm]

15. Heh...one of my fav relationships in my life is singing background on that

song. The naughty gents pulled an all-nighter, and, man was I pissed the next morning when he came home. ; )

[stillwaiting]

9. Yeah. Those are not my people. For sure. nt

[Ferd Berfel]

10. What's terrible to Clinton supporters

is that the Vatican didn't invite Hillary.

[Lizzie Poppet]

17. They were just trying to assure her safety...

...given that she'd quite possibly burst into flames at the threshold.

[Tom Rinaldo]

13. K&R

This is the type of event I hope he attends as President also.

[Uncle Joe]

14. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Armstead.

[geek tragedy]

16. the meta over the invite has obscured a more interesting aspect to this.

(I see absolutely nothing to criticize in attending this conference in terms of values etc).

the most precious commodity in a campaign is the candidate's time.

and they're taking him out of New York right after the debate, and sacrificing at least one day out of the four remaining before the primary.

to me, this indicates that New York is not looking to be very close--if it was neck and neck I'd expect him to be living here--it's a big state with lots of places to visit. In which case this event attendance makes a lot of sense.

But that's only my personal intuition.

[Lizzie Poppet]

18. What it's actually obscuring...

...is Bullhorn Bill's grotesque statements to #BLM activists. Anything and everything to avoid having that further erode Princess Weeathervane's support among black voters.

[Armstead]

20. I think he actually cares about those issues, and wanted to attend for that reason

My guess is that his campaign probably had some internal discussions about the pros and cons, but Bernie decided it was an opportunity too good to pass up...Sanders REALLY does sincerely admire the Pope and his goals on the issues he cares about.




(And maybe he also wanted a break from the bullshit of campaigning for a couple of days).

[geek tragedy]

30. all of those reasons certainly seem plausible and/or likely

at the same time, if he's within 2 points in New York, I can't believe there's any way he gives up a whole day in the state for this.

[Armstead]

37. Don't worry -- I'm sure Susan Sarandon wil be happy to fill in

[geek tragedy]

38. she and Bill Clinton could do a joint appearance.

Theme: Clueless White Privilege: Then and Now

[karynnj]

36. Not to mention, there is campaigning and there is having your image and ideas out there

Both are - in a way - campaigning. More so, than when a candidate has to leave the campaign trail for a private fund raiser. (This is not intended as an attack on Clinton. This was the norm for decades because that was how to get a lot of money and campaigns needed a lot of money.)

I assume that papers across the country and the broadcast media will cover Bernie going to the Vatican. It could lead to conversation's of the Pope's encyclical visa vi the Sanders message on the 99% vs 1%. All in all, it could be a toss up whether another - no matter how large - Bernie rally and this could drive votes here and in the upcoming states. It should be noted that many that are coming up have a significant Catholic population.

Though it is very very possible that there will be absolutely no Bernie and Pope photo op at all, just the fact that the Catholic Press is very likely to cover this and connect that conference to the Pope's message could make many who might be threatened by the words, "democratic socialist" to see that what the Pope is advocating might be an even more radical version of what Bernie is for.

[beam me up scottie]

22. Didn't you call him "Bernocchio" and compare him to Romney?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1680697

But that's only my personal intuition.

Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said

Yeah, how's that intutition working out for you?

[riderinthestorm]

23. Flight time to CA is 6 hours. Flight to Rome 8.25

Both will be at their respective events @ the same amount of time.

Then both will fly home.

Neither will lose any significant campaign time.

Bernie however gets global press for attending a Vatican conference and speaking on a moral economy ahead of primary states that have very significant percentages of Catholics.

Hillary will be noted for attending a fundraising soiree with her 1% peeps.

Time well spent for Bernie!

[upaloopa]

27. Bernie will be known for lying about visiting the Pope on income inequality

[geek tragedy]

28. is he flying on an airline or chartering a transatlantic corporate jet?

The latter is awfully expensive.

Flight time is more like 9 hours from JFK to FCO.

Plus the time zone difference, if he leaves at midnight from JFK he arrives at 3:30 PM in the afternoon in Rome.

Say he stays there for 6.50 hours, so he flies back at 10:00 PM Rome time on the 15th, he arrives back in New York on the 16th at 1:00 AM.

So either way he gives up his entire day of the 15th to put in a 6 hours appearance in Italy.

And that's assuming he has his own private jet that leaves and takes off according to his schedule, with no weather or runway delays.

[riderinthestorm]

33. I hope he takes a private jet. I know his campaign knows he's got the $$

Flight time is 8 hours.

http://m.prokerala.com/travel/flight-time/from-new-york/to-rome/

I think the optics on this are priceless!

I read elsewhere that Hillary's fundraiser is actually in Hong Kong. ..

Wow!

Edited to add in the info on Hillary’s fundraiser in Hong Kong!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511682248

Flight time to Hong Kong is 15.hours from NY

http://m.prokerala.com/travel/flight-time/from-hong-kong/to-new-york/

[geek tragedy]

35. Clinton isn't going to be in Hong Kong.

and air time is not the only time involved in flying. It's not like he teleports into the jet.

[seaglass]

19. Of course it is a good thing. Just don't act like the Pope invited you when he didn't. n/t

[Armstead]

21. It appears the Pope's assistant did decide to invite him

[TheSarcastinator]

24. sorry, but Bernie was invited by the close aide of the Pope

Stop spreading disinformation.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-vatican-idUSKCN0X5257

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

[seaglass]

25. I am not spreading disinformation, the Pope did not invite him.

Sanders, who’s made economic disparities the centerpiece of his campaign, earlier on Friday said, “this is an invitation from the Vatican, from a pope that I have enormous respect for in term of the level of consciousness that he’s raising on the need to have morality in our economy.”

But the office of the pope moved quickly to distance the pontiff from the visit. Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope’s spokesman, said Sanders had been invited “not by the pope but by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences.” Lombardi told the Italian news agency Ansa: “For the moment there is no expectation that there will also be a meeting with the pope.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

[Goblinmonger]

41. The Pope's office did

It's the the "HE INVITED HIMSELF AND THAT'S DISCOURTEOUS" bullshit we've been hearing all day.

[seaglass]

42. Nope, the Pope's spokesperson made it clear

But the office of the pope moved quickly to distance the pontiff from the visit. Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope’s spokesman, said Sanders had been invited “not by the pope but by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences.” Lombardi told the Italian news agency Ansa: “For the moment there is no expectation that there will also be a meeting with the pope.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

I will give you the last word because this topic has been played out and is starting to bore me.

[upaloopa]

26. Bernie lied again by saying he was going to meet the Pope

Nice cover job though

[Armstead]

34. You just proved my point. Thank you

[dr60omg]

31. However it was an invitation that was extended to him from the Vatican and he did not invite himself

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus,"

http://news.trust.org/item/20160408180858-dibw3

[SamKnause]

32. I have come to the conclusion after reading thousands

of posts they have no value system !!!

[oasis]

39. Maybe he can acquire a bit of humility while on his visit. nt

[polly7]

40. LOL. Soooo jealous. ........ nt.

[Armstead]

43. He's already more humble than most politicians

Not as humble as the average citizen, but on the scale of politicians much more

[oasis]

44. You think so?

We'll get to that after I run a few errands locally. Until then, you have a chance to reconsider.

[Armstead]

45. No politician is humble -- if they were they wouldn't be politicians

Especially anyone who thinks they are eligible to run for president.

Sanders himself admits he has an ego.

But we're talking a comparative scale. Also humility has many dimensions and variables.