Admit you were wrong

[angrychair]

Enjoy the crow:

Story states:
"U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Great story!

You might want to change the even to event.

K&R

[angrychair]

4. Thanks CP

I had misplaced my bold tags and accidentally erased the "T" appreciate the catch👍

[revbones]

2. Waiting....

[NWCorona]

6. Me too!

[TheSarcastinator]

3. The Clinton Cult is never wrong

Please report to the nearest Re-education Center for your mandatory lobotomy.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

142. they threw the same stuff at Obama in 2008

[beam me up scottie]

5. ...

[Jackilope]

7. Guessing there will be crickets .....

They are scrambling to make up the next lie.

[laserhaas]

123. Yup

Bern'd she is... On this one

[djean111]

8. Well, gotta admire the level of rat-fuckery that brought their lies to the attention

of the Vatican! Reflects well on HRC, I am sure. Reflects her, anyway.

[angrychair]

21. So very true

Stunning how our media is so unprofessional and biased.

[Ferd Berfel]

9. The REAL pisser for the Clinton folks

is that SHE wasn't invited

[grasswire]

16. Yes, that's it.

Desperation. Sheer desperation.

An insult even to her low information voters.

[winter is coming]

22. Maybe she was invited, but had to attend yet another high-dollar fundraiser.

[DamnYankeeInHouston]

103. They can't afford her speaking fees.

[laserhaas]

124. Ha Ha

Funny thing is...one has to give pause..fir a second..
.
Would HRC really have tge unmitigated gall

To dare to ask the Vatican to pay to hear her speak?
.
Just thinkin....

[Tarc]

10. Um, no

This directly contradicts the words of the other Vatican official. They need to sort out their own mess, so I think you'll have to hold off Sander's beatification for now.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Hm something like St Obama?

We heard the exact same TP in 2008. Oh and the Vatican cleared this up. There is more, you realize the antisemitic dog whistle is not that quiet?

[carolinayellowdog]

17. I hear a Christian dog whistle from the Clinton surrogates

It's anti-Jewish in Bernie's case-- that pushy Jew invited himself as the Vatican could not possibly have wanted him; reminiscent of the implicit Islamophobic smear against Obama in 2008, "as far as I know he is really a Christian" wink, nod.

Makes me think of Sharlet's study of The Family in terms of what nefarious influences are behind certain types of smear.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. This is where it is antisemitic.

The problem is that as a dog whistle it's failed. You and I can hear it

[840high]

159. .that^

[noamnety]

13. The guy who outranks her has first hand knowledge.

"He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer."

[Tarc]

15. That's for them to sort out

Basically, Sanders is pulling a Kim Davis here.

[angrychair]

23. NO ITS NOT

Story states:
"U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself."

As proof a copy of the invitation was sent to Reuters:

"An invitation to Sanders dated March 30, which was emailed to Reuters, was signed by Sorondo and also included Archer's name."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

I expect an apology to follow soon but I won't hold my breath.

On edit: do not come and shit on my OP unless you have proof. Since I know you don't please refrain from any further rat-fucking of my OP.

[BlindTiresias]

61. Wrong

The person making the claims against Sanders is being directly insubordinate. Sorondo outranks Archer so therefore it is Sorondo's call.

[Lizzie Poppet]

77. Only in the minds of Princess Weathervane's Ostrich Army.

Non-cultists, on the other hand, recognize yet another Clinton ratfucking attempt when they see it. Your filthy candidate's going down. Get used to it.

[Logical]

89. LOL, you don't seem to bright, but that is just my opinion. I might be wrong. nt

[frylock]

96. It's been sorted.

The Bishop invited Bernie. Case closed.

[morningfog]

126. But they really want their petulant frenzy!

[frylock]

127. I can't believe they're going to the mat on this one.

Die with your boots on I guess.

[Tarc]

136. Case is not close, I'm afraid

One is calling the other a liar, so, we'll see.

The more important part though is that an audience wit the Pope (the original spin) is just a conference where Sanders is a 2nd-tier attendee, where the Pope will not even be present.

[frylock]

140. This seems incredibly important to you.

Almost life-changing.

[greiner3]

144. And the pope might, or might not, want to meet Bernie

There was a scene in The West Wing where the president wants to meet a visitor to the White House but for some political reason can't. So it's arranged the president will open a door onto a hall just when the visitor is passing. Why not a similar event in Rome?

[Tarc]

147. Really? Can the Pope be in two places at once?

Pope Francis to visit Greece April 14-15

[840high]

160. Hillary is not even a 3rd tier invitee.

It berns you up.

[Tarc]

162. I think Hillary is just fine not palling arounf with anti-LGBT and anti-choice folk,. thanks

The question is, why is Bernie?

[840high]

163. Obama, JFK, Johnson, Carter and

Clinton have all met with a Pope. Do you want to throw them all under the bus?

[Tarc]

164. Y'all hijacked all the buses for John Lewis, Liz Warren, and Obama himself

We have none.

[revbones]

130. Pathetic and disgusting you'd say that. nt

[Tarc]

148. Lol, your faux outrage is what is beyond pathetic

[revbones]

150. Not really faux

But if you want to talk faux, try all the vaticangate nonsense...

[rhett o rick]

143. Your logic fails again. An official said that he invited Sen Sanders. What's the controversy?

Does the other official dispute that statement?

[Tarc]

149. I don't know, we haven't heard from her yet

That's why I said "that's for them to sort out", which apparently for some around here, was a complicated sentence.

[angrychair]

19. Read the story at link

This is the head of the academy and the lady Archer's boss. As further proof he sent Reuters a copy of the invitation they sent Sanders on March 30th.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[Amaril]

25. And it is flipping ridiculous..........

.........that the Vatican had to show PROOF that Sanders was invited -- not that he "begged for an invitation" or inserted himself somewhere that he wasn't wanted -- to shut this nonsense down............and STILL they persist in claiming that Bernie did something wrong here. I've lost track of the number of ways they've tried to spin this one. Truly mind boggling.

[angrychair]

26. Very sad indeed

The rat-fucking going on here is blatant and obvious.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Sadly I get it why this went the way it went

and Why Pope Francisco and the Vatican had to.

This idea of the pushy Jew is old. Otherwise them Jews would get nowhere, Pope Francis grew up in Argentina where these smears are not as coded as they are here. His best friend is a Rabbi in Buenos Aires. So the Vatican had to debunk it... they knew exactly what was happening here.

It also means this dang Jew is going to the Vatican four days before the New York Election... check the number of catholics in New York, or for that matter California. This was not an endorsement (the only thing they are sort of getting right) but in many catholic households it will taken as such. Why the optics had to be rearranged.

[frylock]

102. Yeah, this is long-form birth certificate territory here.

Be proud, Hillary Supporter.

[Kittycat]

152. They have had no shame

Glenn Beck / Ann Coulter crazy going on here.

[840high]

161. The Clinton gang must look like

fools to the Vatican.

[Sky Masterson]

11. The silence was Deafening! Deafening!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. Wonder why Hillary wasn't invited to a conference dealing with Social/Economc/Environmental issues.

Being an experienced speaker on Wall Street and saleswoman for fracking.

[Mike__M]

28. Sticker shock (n/t)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

29. No speaker fee shock.

[JimDandy]

95. Because she told the world she works miracles with "CUT IT OUT!"

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

20. The Clinton campaign will almost think about apologizing. nt

[pa28]

24. Won't happen. They're graduates of the Jonathan Capehart school of mudslinging.

Once you get caught in a lie or distortion just act like nothing happened and move on to the next.

[salinsky]

27. Bernie misrepresented his participation in this event from the get go ...

... there does seem to be disagreement between the Chancellor and President of the Academy, but that's Vatican politics.

What is true is that Sanders requested an invitation to the event, and then fundamentally mischaracterized the nature of his participation going as far as saying that he was scheduled to meet with the Pope personally, which is categorically false.

That's pretty damn brazen.

[angrychair]

30. READING COMPREHENSION IS YOUR FRIEND

In avoiding awkward situations like this:

Sanders was invited, he did not ask to come.

"Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself."

"An invitation to Sanders dated March 30, which was emailed to Reuters, was signed by Sorondo and also included Archer's name."

Please read the link. There is no dispute or controversy. The Monsignor is this lady Archer's boss and her name is on the invitation. It was the Monsignor's idea to invite Sanders in his own words.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[salinsky]

33. I said he requested an invitation ...

... because he did.

Nothing wrong with that.

[angrychair]

37. READING COMPREHENSION IS YOUR FRIEND

Please, please read the link before responding again. I'm trying to help you out here. It's embarrassing for you to continue saying this when I've been fair and given this link a dozen different times in my OP.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.
A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.
"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[beam me up scottie]

54. "Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican"

Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

VATICAN CITY/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[angrychair]

62. Thanks bmus

A copy of the invitation is awesome!

[beam me up scottie]

63. My pleasure but they're already saying it's fake.

[questionseverything]

81. that was just the "short" form invitation, they demand the "long" form invitation

[frylock]

104. Where are you getting that info?

[Kittycat]

153. Sounds like David Brock rat fuckery to me

He's the republican mudslinger that slimed first, and apologizes later. After he collects the book fees.

[dr60omg]

31. No he was not and you know it.

http://news.trust.org/item/20160408180858-dibw3

[salinsky]

35. What is nuanced about this? ...

QUESTION: "You're meeting with the Pope??"

SANDERS: "Yup."

The question is simple and direct.

The answer is a lie.

[dr60omg]

36. OH please spare me

Seriously? Parse parse spin spin triangulate what is wrong with you?
Show your source please and let's see if it is a lie

[salinsky]

39. Parse? Spin?? Triangulate???

Watch this.

It won't take you long.

It happens within the first six seconds.

Just watch it, and then comeback and deny reality.

It's really quite amusing.

[angrychair]

43. Not sure you understand how to prove something

on edit: audio was breaking up on first listen as I am on my phone.

The host says that he NEVER said that.

[salinsky]

51. There's nothing wrong with the audio ...

... anyone can clearly hear the exchange ...

HOST: "You're meeting with the Pope??"

SANDERS: "Yup."

HOST: "Pope Francis has invited, uh, Bernie to visit him in the Vatican."

There's nothing nuanced about that.

It is categorically and demonstrably false.

[noiretextatique]

137. Ridiculous and petty

To keep trying to spin this as anyrhing but an invitation.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. Well since he did not say he is meeting with the Holy Father in that clip

but pointed out the economic policies and common message they both have... pretty funny and fail.

[salinsky]

49. Watch it again ...

Don't blink, it happens within the first six seconds ...

QUESTION: "You're meeting with the Pope??"

SANDERS: "Yup."

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. I have and you are spinning

also have you ever been to a conference of this level? From your statements I suppose you have not. Who do you think will likely open the conference? THINK (or maybe not, it is going to hurt your head) And that is already what the VATICAN itself pointed to, or rather strongly hinted at.

You might want to move to the next scandal. And I know what this is about... Yes Bill said what he said yesterday and he is still a racist. Nothing has changed from 2008. This is what this faux scandal is about, the media manipulation is obvious. To the point that someday you will also understand that Stalin era joke about the communist kittens, popular in the USSR for while... or why Pravda was used to line bird cages by the end of the USSR.

So would you like to have a serious conversation on how income inequality and state corruption are actually a threat to national security? I seriously doubt it... and with that, I have plenty to read still.

[Kittycat]

154. And this is the 1000pt answer to this issue: Bill Clinton!

The pope issue is a distraction. Sure they're pissed as all get out about Bernie. But let's be honest, they had to flood the board to this republican smear campaign to hide and distract from Bill's massive fuck up x 2.

[lostnfound]

92. What's brazen is your post, persisting in trying to spin this

In effect you are accusing the monsigneur of being a liar .

[salinsky]

116. And, you're accusing the President of the Academy of being a liar ...

... is that OK because she's a woman?

He said, she said, always go with the he said, amirite??

[lostnfound]

119. You're very weird

To assume that my comment was sexist as opposed to elitist or perhaps a matter of hierarchical. I was going for "who's the boss?"
Or maybe you're assuming that I'm male ?
Hahaha

[salinsky]

122. Well which is it? ...

... elitist, hierarchical, or sexist?

Choose your poison.

[revbones]

129. Nope. Just the liars.

She's lying. The timeline and date on the invitation plus her being included in the decision.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

111. Nope. Some lying motherfuckers had it shoved right back in their faces.

Bring me some more.

[Buzz Clik]

32. Nothing has changed.

It was really really bad form for Sanders to ask for this invite.

[Marr]

38. ^ Intentionally pushing a lie like this should earn a poster a ban. /nt

Last edited Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:08 PM - Edit history (1)

[Electric Monk]

60. +1

[SheenaR]

64. +1

[JackRiddler]

67. Yes.

Intentionally.

[beam me up scottie]

69. ^^^THAT RIGHT THERE^^^

[lostnfound]

98. +1

[frylock]

105. At the very least FFR

[morningfog]

131. Yep.

[lumberjack_jeff]

133. Community standards? What are those? nt

[angrychair]

50. READING COMPREHENSION IS YOUR FRIEND EITHER

I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.
A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.
"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

An invitation to Sanders dated March 30, which was emailed to Reuters, was signed by Sorondo and also included Archer's name.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[annavictorious]

157. What makes you think Sorondo is senior to Archer?

Article 9 of their rules seems to say otherwise.

Art. 9
The President is nominated by the Supreme Pontiff, to whom he reports directly. The President remains in office for five years and his mandate may be renewed. He is directly assisted by the Chancellor, who is nominated by the Supreme Pontiff.

The President represents the Academy and directs its progress. He is responsible to the Supreme Pontiff and maintains contact with the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace. He convokes and chairs the Council of the Academy as well as the sessions, and implements the Council's decisions.

[Lizzie Poppet]

79. Learn to lie better.

I realize it's too much to ask of Camp Weathervane to tell the truth, but at least try and lie more convincingly.

[reddread]

138. no kidding good gravy

all I ask is for a respectable quality of propaganda.
the scraped diaper flingings of non compos types is nothing but an unconvincing insult.
All that money to spend and they skimp on their own narrative brass section?

thats just scary.
maybe they do have it in the bag?

[SixString]

87. Posts hidden by Jury: 7

[DisgustipatedinCA]

112. Do you ever get tired of having lies blow up in your face?

I suppose it does take a certain level of....of something before this sort of thing bothers you. But rest assured, we're not laughing WITH you.

PS: there's not a goddamned thing you can say to change reality on the ground, but it's always interesting to watch you try.

[JesterCS]

118. +1 on the ban. Must work for Faux News... n/t

[SoLeftIAmRight]

125. yep - nothing has changed

[BainsBane]

34. I have no problem admitting

that my glancing at one article didn't constitute definitive knowledge of the situation.

It would be nice if Sanders supporters here admitted they were wrong about anything, but we know that will never happen.
Case in point. The responses to my OP here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511628659
Which I followed up with this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511645580

Instead, people continue to insult me for daring to question Sanders and repeatedly refuse to examine evidence of any kind.

[angrychair]

41. Not sure if that is admitting you were wrong

But I am willing to accept it.

I would not deny that the Sanders campaign made mistakes but they are also making corrections and returning money that should be returned. I believe they need to make adjustments in there review process but I do not believe they were trying to get over on anybody. They have brought in over $140 million dollars, the amount in question is small. There is no advantage to gain.

I have already posted on the $10 million dollar issue on the June 2015 quarterly filing. There is no mystery as it was widely reported at the time to match what that filling states. Again, a mistake, not a crime.


These were mistakes, not crimes.

[Lodestar]

45. In his Charlie Rose interview Bernie had the decency to admit

that his tit for tat exchange with Hillary's camp regarding her
qualifications for the presidency was just that...tit for tat....
Then, of course, Rose went in for the trophy kill and had him
say it for the headline..."do you believe Hillary is qualified for the presidency"?...
and Bernie of course said 'yes'. It was the decent thing to do and he
admitted this type of thing is not his style. And Bernie certainly doesn't have the
MSM working for him as Hillary does, so he's an easy mark. Of course Rose now
had his trophy! And it was used as a headline banner moment.

Of course regular people see all this and just know how childish and manipulative it
is. There is no win here. No minds were changed. Just further evidence of the ugliness
of it all. And people are more than willing to give Bernie plenty of slack considering
what he/we are up against.

[beam me up scottie]

58. You mean the internet lie that Bernie took 23 MILLION IN ILLEGAL CONTRIBUTIONS?

That was also debunked:

No, Social Media Warriors. Bernie Sanders Did Not Get $23M In 'Illegal Contributions'

For weeks now, I've seen social media warriors put out the claim that Bernie Sanders has received $23 million in "illegal campaign contributions" from donors. Another common allegation concerns one contribution from a corporation that the FEC questioned.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/03/no-social-media-warriors-bernie-sanders

I guess the truth hurts.

[BainsBane]

70. From the person who declared the FEC documents were fabricated

lies.

I didn't add up the 200 odd pages of violations. It's possible that they totalled less. But you refuse to even admit those FEC documents exist and responded to my links to the federal govt site with nothing but personal insults.

Here they are again. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1629222 You can insist the FEC is a right-wing, homophobe, antisemitic, source, and the other vapid insults that constitute your version of political discourse. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1629252

The crooks and liars article has at least some visible errors. The response by the Sanders campaign indicates they have not yet refunded all of the donations but that they will follow with further details in their next report. http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/917/201603319012213917/201603319012213917.pdf

You consistently try to use secondary accounts to refute primary sources, which is exceedingly odd considering you claim some background in science.

[beam me up scottie]

72. Wow, those strawmen are impressive! I do hope you get them wholesale.

I never posted anything about the FEC discrepancies but that was a valiant attempt to deflect from the truth.

Look, you pushed a debunked internet meme on DU and got caught, don't blame everyone else for pointing it out. That's what happens when you get your information from blogs.

[Lodestar]

40. You're assuming being 'right' and decent is their goal.

Not so.

[Motown_Johnny]

44. That would require a modicum of decency

Not gonna happen.

[demwing]

46. mmmm, crowpie...

[Matariki]

48. Really? Since this morning the lie was spun that he invited himself?

I missed that one by being off line for a few hours.

Pathetic.

[ericson00]

53. he invited himself

because he knew if the Vatican turned him down, they'd look bad.

[beam me up scottie]

55. More lies: "Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican"

Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

VATICAN CITY/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

Try to keep up.

[riversedge]

65. There goes Bernie--pandering for the Catholic vote.

[beam me up scottie]

66. Like he did when he went to Liberty U and STOOD UP for women's and lgbt people's rights?

Unlike Hillary who said she would be willing to compromise on abortion.

It's okay, you can make lemonade!

[riversedge]

68. Try to stay focused on the topic. Sanders is pandering for the Catholic vote. Now you know.

[beam me up scottie]

71. You mean the latest talking point from Camp Weathervane who didn't get an invite?

Sour grapes must go well with crow pie.

[Lizzie Poppet]

82. We're on topic: Camp Weathervane's constant ratfucking.

Try and keep up.

Yeah, I know...a big ask.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

114. The topic is less-than-intelligent liars who keep shitting their own bed.

So bring all the lying clown-faced liars you can find. We'll blow the next one out of the water, just like all of the others before.

[angrychair]

90. I figure at this point

In this thread, with every source now saying he was invited, you are either being a troll or playing stupid. Please stop shitting on my OP.

[annavictorious]

156. And the papal spokesman denied that it was the Pope who extended the invitation.

"Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope's spokesman, told Italian news agency Ansa that the invitation was extended, 'not by the pope but by the pontifical academy of social sciences.'"

I'm sure this will all get straightened out next week at the debate.

[beam me up scottie]

158. When did I say he was invited by the pope? I must have missed that.

But I sure am loving how upset Hillary's team is over this invitation, so much so they lied about it for two days now. Must have something to do with that papal snub of Clinton's foundation. I guess there are some things even Hillary can't buy.

[TheFarS1de]

56. Check your speaking points

They are already stale and disproven . No point in doubling down on stupid .

[beam me up scottie]

59. Didn't get the memo to DEFLECT AND RETREAT!!!

[angrychair]

57. READING COMPREHENSION IS NOT YOUR FRIEND EITHER again

Please, please read the link before responding again. I'm trying to help you out here. It's embarrassing for you to continue saying this when I've been fair and given this link a dozen different times in my OP.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event. He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.
A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.
"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[Lizzie Poppet]

78. That's a lie. Retain a shred of honor and stop repeating it.

Seriously...just stop.

[LAS14]

73. People apply and then some are invited.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

[beam me up scottie]

74. Keep up, that lie has been debunked:

Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

VATICAN CITY/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[LAS14]

93. OH, OK. Thanks. nt

[TheFarS1de]

75. Wrong again .

Lets see how many things you can misrepresent in one day .....

[LAS14]

97. I was mistaken. How come you Bernie supporters so often...

... say "you like" or "you misrepresent" instead of "you're mistaken." I hadn't seen the rebuttal to the Bloomberg report.

[Lizzie Poppet]

100. Well done of you, but I think the reason you see that assumption...

...is because a fair few Hillary supporters here completely ignore every refutation of mistaken claims and continue making them. Sorry you got tarred with that brush.

[TheFarS1de]

101. If you were mistaken

then the simplest option is to self delete... but we know that is only expected of one group here ... just check the forums .

[tabasco]

76. Desperation.

Clinton's campaign will doom itself by cheating and lying. Clinton already had a serious problem with trust and these type of tactics will only increase the mistrust of the American people.

[peacebird]

80. Their latest meme is it is WRONG for Bernie to go to Rome during an election season...

Maybe because they know the majority religion in NY is Catholic....

[nadinbrzezinski]

85. Don't forget CA

And that is part of it

[Lizzie Poppet]

99. But, apparently, okay for Hillary to fly to Hong Kong for a big $$ fundraiser.

A better illustration of the difference between them coudl hardly be asked for...

[Kalidurga]

132. No Hillary can't be bothered to go to that event it would be slumming

She's going to the Clooney event instead the $350,000 dollar a plate thingy. Not the $2,600 dollar a plate thingy where some people might not even speak English.

[Lizzie Poppet]

139. Yeah, so I later found out.

I should edit that, but with your correction, better to leave it.

But gotta love the optics, regardless, huh?

[Kalidurga]

146. Yes the optics are fantastic.

[tymorial]

83. I would say don't hold your breath

but really, our brains generally do not allow someone to hold their breath to the point of losing consciousness.

[itsrobert]

84. It's common to address a request

Who needs to admit being wrong?

[B Calm]

86. They'll never apologize, they are distracting us from the BLM and Clinton story. They

know that story would destroy Hillary.

[kennetha]

88. Where's it say he was "invited to speak"

He's listed on the conference program only as "other participant"

The people who are "speaking" -- i.e. delivering papers or responding to the delivered papers -- are listed as participants. They even get their pictures in the conference brochure.

No such luck for Bernie.

I think he took this for more than its worth. He gets to go sit in the audience and maybe ask a question from the floor.

Kind of humiliating for a man who wants to be the leader of the free world.

FRIDAY 15 APRIL 2016
MORNING
9:00 Word of Welcome
PASS President Professor Margaret Archer and Professor Daniel Finn
9:15 New Challenges and New Concerns since “Centesimus Annus” H.Em. Cardinal Oscar Andrés Rodríguez Maradiaga
10:00 Paper to be discussed: Changes in the World Economy Since 1981 Author: Professor Jeffrey Sachs
The fall of the Soviet Union was the major economic backdrop of Centesimus annus. Much has occurred economically since. What are the most salient changes in global economic life and how well does the economic insight of Centesimus annus illuminate those changes? What do recent economic crises and recent changes in economic thinking suggest for the near future of economic life?
10:30 Session #1: first respondent Professor Javier Iguíñiz
10:45 Discussion
11:00 Coffee Break
11:30 Session #2: second respondent Professor Stefano Zamagni
11:45 Discussion
12:00 General Discussion
13:15 Lunch
AFTERNOON
15:00 Paper to be discussed: Changes in the World Political Situation Since 1981 Author: President Rafael Correa
The fall of the Soviet Union and the democratization of Eastern Europe was the major political backdrop of Centesimus annus. What is the global political situation today and which elements require greater attention by both the international community and by Catholic social teaching?
15:30 Session #3: first respondent Professor Rocco Buttiglione
15:45 Discussion
16:00 Coffee Break
16:30 Session #4: second respondent Professor Hsin-Chi Kuan
16:45 Discussion
17:00 General Discussion
19:15 Dinner
Centesimus Annus 25 Years Later 7
SATURDAY 16 APRIL 2016
MORNING
9:00 Paper to be discussed: Changes in the World Cultural Situation Since 1981 Author: Professor José Casanova
The Church is an expert on the human person, and this insight imbued the analysis of Centesimus annus. Yet the past 25 years have seen remarkable developments in culture, with the impact of the internet, the marketization of life and culture, the importance of Islam around the world, new dynamics of secularization, etc. How ought we to think about the cultural situation today and what realities call for further reflection within Catholic social thought today?
9:30 Session #5: first respondent Professor Douglas Porpora
9:45 Discussion
10:00 Coffee Break
10:30 Session #6: second respondent Professor Margaret Archer
10:45 Discussion
11:00 General Discussion
12:15 Lunch
AFTERNOON
15:00 Paper to be discussed: How Catholic Social Teaching Engages the World Situation Author: Fr. Bryan Hehir
Like Rerum novarum a hundred years earlier, CA engaged the world situation of its day. This paper will attend to how those two encyclicals engaged the world, rather than what they had to say about the world, in order to draw out impli- cations for how CST today can most helpfully engage the contemporary situation. At the author’s option, one or more of the other anniversary encyclicals of Rerum novarum could be employed as well.
15:30 Session #7: first respondent Professor Pierpaolo Donati
15:45 Discussion
16:00 Coffee Break
16:30 Session #8: second respondent Professor Russell Hittinger
16:45 Discussion
EVENING
17:00 Paper to be discussed: The New Proposals Coming From Latin America Author: President Evo Morales
In the light of Pope Francis’ reading of the previous documents of the Magisterium, presented during the World Meeting of the Popular Movements of Santa Cruz de la Sierra in Bolivia, the author will present his proposal based on his expe- rience as a leader of the popular movements, rooted in the pre-Columbian cultural traditions and populations.
17:30 Session #9: first respondent Professor Daniel Finn
17:45 Discussion
18:00 Session #10: second respondent Professor Juan Llach
18:15 Discussion
18:30 General Discussion and Final Comments by Professor Martin Albrow
19:30 Dinner
8 Centesimus Annus 25 Years Later

List of Participants
Russell HITTINGER
University of Tulsa
Department of Philosophy and Religion Tulsa, OK (USA)
Javier IGUÍÑIZ
Chair of the Faculty of Economics Pontifical Catholic University of Perú Faculty of Economics
Lima (Perú)
Hsin-chi KUAN
The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Department of Government & Public Administration Shatin, New Territories
Hong Kong (PRC)
Juan J. LLACH
Director, GESE (Centro de Estudios de Gobierno, Empresa, Sociedad y Economía) IAE-Universidad Sustral
Buenos Aires (Argentina)
Evo MORALES
President of Bolivia
Michael NAUGHTON
Director, Center for Catholic Studies; Director, John A. Ryan Institute for Catholic Social Thought; Professor, Catholic Studies and Ethics and Business Law, University of St. Thomas, Minnesota (USA)
Douglas V. PORPORA
Professor of Sociology in the Department of culture and communication
Drexel University
Philadelphia (USA)
H.Em. Card. Óscar Andrés
RODRÍGUEZ MARADIAGA
Archbishop of Tegucigalpa (Honduras), Coordinator of Pope Francis’ Council of Cardinals
Jeffrey D. SACHS
Director, The Earth Institute Columbia University
New York, NY (USA)
H.E. Msgr. Marcelo SÁNCHEZ SORONDO
Chancellor
The Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences (Vatican City)
Martin ALBROW
Sociologist
University of Wales, em. London (UK)
Margaret ARCHER
Director, Centre for Social Ontology Department of Sociology University of Warwick
Coventry (UK)
Rocco BUTTIGLIONE
Presidente del Consiglio Nazionale UDC Rome (Italy)
José CASANOVA
Senior Fellow & Department of Sociology
Berkley Center for Religion, Peace & World Affairs Washington, DC (USA)
Rafael CORREA
President of Ecuador
Pierpaolo DONATI
Università di Bologna Dipartimento di Sociologia Bologna (Italy)
Daniel FINN
Professor of Theology and Clemens Professor of Economics and the Liberal Arts
Saint John's School of Theology and Seminary Collegeville MN (USA)
Fr. James HEFT
Alton M. Brooks Professor of Religion
Founder and President of the Institute for Advanced Catholic Studies at USC Dornsife
University of Southern California (USA)
Bryan HEHIR
Parker Gilbert Montgomery Professor of the Practice of Religion and Public Life; Hauser Institute for Nonprofit Organizations; John F. Kennedy School of Government, Cambridge, MA (USA)
Mary HIRSCHFELD
Assistant Professor, Economics & Theology Department of Humanities, St. Augustine Center Villanova University
Villanova, PA (USA)
Centesimus Annus 25 Years Later 9
Herbert SCHAMBECK
Institute for Constitutional Law and Political Sciences University of Linz
Juridicum
Linz-Auhof (Austria)
Stefano ZAMAGNI
Università di Bologna
Dipartimento di Scienze Economiche Bologna (Italy)
Andrew YUENGERT
Professor of Economics Pepperdine University Social Science Division Malibu, CA (USA)


Other Participants

Anthony ANNETT
Climate Change and Sustainable Development Advisor at the Earth Institute, Columbia University, New York
Norbert ARNTZ
President of the Board of the Theology and Politics Institute, Münster, Germany
Fernando De La IGLESIA VIGUIRISTI
Associate Professor, Pontifical Gregorian University, Vatican City
Rocco MIMMO
Ambrose Centre For Religious Liberty, Founder and Chairman, Sydney, Australia
Bernard SANDERS
United States Senator from Vermont, candidate for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States in the 2016 election
Mikkel WOLD
Associate professor Teologisk Pædagogisk Center. Pastor at Frederiks Church, Copenhagen - Teologisk Pædagogisk Center

[angrychair]

107. You are embarrassing yourself...please stop

I've posted this, in this thread, at least a dozen times:

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[kennetha]

108. He wasn't invited TO SPEAK

he's not giving a paper, he's not responding to a paper.

He's just going to sit and listen. Maybe he'll get to ask a question or two.

Ask yourself why?

Think really, really hard.

[angrychair]

109. Are you trolling me???

I'm not sure what to make of what your doing. I gave you a quote from the article, bolded it, then gave you the source link. It is posted, in my OP alone, at least a dozen times.

Take a deep breath, read slowly and think before you reply again:

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[kennetha]

110. Did you bother reading the conference program.

He has no speaking slot


http://www.pass.va/content/dam/scienzesociali/booklet/centesimus_annus.pdf

He is one among "other participants"

probably means he gets to make a few comments from the floor.

[angrychair]

113. Yes, I posted it.

The program may not have been updated or his speaking engagement is not a formal part of the itinerary. I don't know. What I do know is that the Chancellor of the organization sponsoring the event, the supervisor of Archer, stated what I posted.
I take him at his word since he is in charge of the event and so should you.

[annavictorious]

155. "Vatican official" is a vague term

Professor Archer is also a "Vatican official" by virtue of her presidency of the organization holding the conference. She's pretty annoyed about the way the Sanders campaign is framing this visit. If I were Bernie, I'd steer clear of her once I arrived.

Neither the Pope nor the Office of the Holy See extended the invitation. The Pope will not be attending the conference. Sanders does not have an audience with the Pope. The Pope will not even be in Italy on April 16. Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope's spokesman, told Italian news agency Ansa that the invitation was extended, "not by the pope but by the pontifical academy of social sciences."

This is all a bit like saying that I had a meeting with President Obama a few weeks ago because I attended the White House Easter egg roll.

Between this mix up and the Kim Davis story, I can only imagine what the Vatican thinks of us. Hopefully this will all get straightened out either before the debate or at the debate.

[link:http://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-pope-francis-vatican-2016-4|

[frylock]

91. Not gonna happen.

They're back to recycling tax-gate.

[Fairgo]

94. Yes, this is settled, now back to the unconscious racism

that slipped out of Bill Clinton's mouth.

[seabeyond]

106. This would be a lie. Can you tell me where I am wrong. No, Sanders is not meeting The Pope

and he knew he was not meeting the Pope.

[tabasco]

115. PUMAs do not have the integrity or moral courage to admit a mistake. n/t

[LWolf]

117. Oh, like THAT'S going to happen?

Anyone from Camp ************* admitting to being wrong?

[Zira]

134. Reminds me of how Trump never admits he's wrong.

It's an infantile level.

[basselope]

120. They still haven't figured out her Iraq War vote was wrong

You want them to catch up to today???

[RiverLover]

121. R and k!

Thanks for posting!!

[BillZBubb]

128. That will never happen. They are already off to the next lie they can peddle.

[Lodestar]

135. Bernie will take their confessions...

Hillary - "I confess to Almighty God and to you, Father, that I have sinned...."

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[RoccoR5955]

141. Where did I hear that Clinton was also asked to attend

but her speaking fees were too high?

[JEB]

145. Hillary would have been invited by the other Pope,

the Nazi one.

[AgerolanAmerican]

151. I was wrong

I thought sausage and caper berry ice cream would be a good idea

[amborin]

165. K&R