Vaticangate: What Sanders is doing at the moment is basically pulling a Kim Davis

[Tarc]

in regards to the Vatican visit. Davis spun the Pope's meeting as an endorsement, Sanders spun the (at the moment dubious as to who initiated) "invitation to meet the Pope" when in reality it is a conference where they may not even meet at all.

[seattleite]

1. Yawn. Give it up.

[Hortensis]

45. Bernie is joining a conference that is being held

at the Vatican, with appearance by and no meeting with the Pope at all, because New York has a lot of Catholic voters.

This isn't insulting to point out, it's just how politicians get elected. The voters' fault if you want to dislike something. Why should we be so swayed by these posturings that politicians are obliged to produce them?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

108. We'll see Hillary inviting herself to the Vatican

she just about copies everything else that Bernie does

[Betty Karlson]

109. She tried to invite Francis to her foundation, and was rejected.

Hence these desperate efforts to minimize Sanders' standing with a major religion: it's jealousy and sour grapes.

[nichomachus]

2. What bullshit!

If that's the best smear you can come up with, hang it up now.

[Sheepshank]

47. actually its a pretty good angle on this ongoing lie from the Bernie Camp n/t

[morningfog]

3. You lost this round. Suck it up and move along.

[beam me up scottie]

4. Some sour grapes to go with that crow?

[Nanjeanne]

5. Not even close. But thanks for playing!

[CTyankee]

6. memory fails me. Tell me again who Kim Davis is/was so I can keep up with the

conversation...I feel I am falling behind...

[virtualobserver]

7. Smells like Hillary desperation.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

12. Hilly sweat.

[virtualobserver]

15. If the Bernami overwhelms NY, there will be a Hillnami of Hilly Sweat....

we need to prepare to move to higher ground.

[Joe the Revelator]

8. Boring. Be better at this next time.

[hobbit709]

9. The amount of metabolic byproducts produced by the denizens of Camp Bansalot is amazing.

[NWCorona]

10. That was masterful!

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

11. ...

[reformist2]

13. Bringing Kim Davis up is absurd. Besides, most people don't remember her. So your smear is a fail.

#tryingtoohard #takeabreather

[Tarc]

24. "We can't hold information in our heads for longer than a week"

Is not exactly a solid defense there....

[Lizzie Poppet]

14. Have you considered actually telling the truth?

New experiences are said to be uplifting.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. Hillary's deeply hurt because she's an experienced speaker and knows a lot about fracking.

And, wasn't invited to speak at a conference about economic inequality and the environment.

[Matariki]

28. I doubt the Vatican pays the type of speaker fees she's accustomed to.

Nor would there be any future pay off.

[guillaumeb]

32. Recommended. On point.

[Armstead]

17. I think Popegate has a better ring to it if you're going to manufacture scandal

[riderinthestorm]

19. Frankly I'm disappointed in the OP's lack of effort.

So many delicious meme's Hillary’s supporters could concoct and this is the best they can do.

Sigh.

[Armstead]

21. Maybe the're just tired --Freelance Meme Manufacturing is hard work

[beam me up scottie]

27. Indeed, he's phoning it in.

Maybe he didn't get the memo that they need to deflect instead of double down?

[TheBlackAdder]

18. JFC - Move on to the next drummed up fake outrage that spams the GD P with sewage!

.





.

[Warren DeMontague]

41. What do you want them to do, actually talk about issues?

[Lucinda]

20. Looks that way.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. You know who is like Kim Davis? The 5 NC Democrats who voted for that anti trans, anti gay bill.

Hillary Endorsers, all flipping five of them.

[oasis]

23. I'm not sure a lecture from Bernie is on the Pope's bucket list.

Kim Davis was content with just a meeting.

[Tarc]

25. So much bitter shade thrown. Hilarity.

Or is that Hillarity.

A possibly requested "invitation" for a group meeting at the Vatican, likely with no papal facetime.

It is amazing how far this grandiose story has fallen in just a few hours.

[beam me up scottie]

26. Ignorance isn't really bliss, don't believe it:

Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

VATICAN CITY/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

Oops.

[Sheepshank]

49. the faith of a mustard seed...it's in the bible somewhere

and I know you suddenly have found some. Better run and take it to your facebook friends.

[beam me up scottie]

51. Aww, feel better soon!

[Sheepshank]

52. feeling awesome already

hoping the same right back at ya.

[beam me up scottie]

55. Oh sure, I can tell by how you're going on and on about faith and FACEBOOK ACCOUNTS!! BLARGLE!!!

[noiretextatique]

105. Perfect description of your posts: bitter shade eom

[lastone]

29. stop is with this bullshit

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141408086

[Tarc]

33. So you have a he said/she said on the invitation

The other part here is the buildup by Sanders fans, who characterized this as an audience with the Pope, when the reality is that it is a conference sponsored by an office of the Vatican.

[lastone]

46. Did you not actually see the freaking invite?

Look up a couple posts to what beam me up scottie posted, it's the invite, what don't you get now?

[Sheepshank]

50. it looks fake to me

check out the quality of the blurred print on the letter head vs. the sharp text of the letter and back to the blurred address at the bottom of the letter.....looks they have been superimposed

[TheFarS1de]

65. Illuminati confirmed

[angrychair]

66. Have you looked at Obama 's birth certificate?

Call Trump now, he needs your sharp eyes.

[Blanks]

68. Even if it is a real invite...

He's invited to attend. It's not like he's invited to speak.

I get invited to attend stuff all the time. Nobody cares what I think when I'm attending something.

They just want me to listen. Very different things.

[lastone]

73. Not the point

Being debated, try to stay relevant...

[Blanks]

110. An incorrect statement was made...(edited)

And you seemed to be supporting that incorrect statement.

It's easy to get invited to seminars, getting invited to speak, being sought out for guidance is a very different thing.

I could probably get invited to the Vatican if expressed an interest. That's all that's going on here.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

30. I want my time machine so bad.

[BlindTiresias]

35. Please read in depth next time

[Warren DeMontague]

40. "A Bernie sanders supporter ate my baby!"

[Go Vols]

114. lol

[B Calm]

34. This is getting fucking ridiculous! Hillary supporters give it up you're acting like

Fill in the blank

[SheenaR]

36. The only thing worse than the continued OPs on this topic

are the people jumping in these threads still clamoring as if they are right.

[Autumn]

37. Not even trying anymore are you? Posting this well after the truth has been posted, not once

but several times.

[KittyWampus]

38. It does indeed and it's bizarre that Sanders supporters are calling Clinton desperate.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. THIS BERNIE SANDERS DEATH STAR HAS GOTTA HAVE A THERMAL EXHAUST PORT -SOMEWHERE-

[Warren DeMontague]

42. Doesnt kim davis believe that marriage is "a sacred bond between a man and a woman"?

[beam me up scottie]

62. Why yes she does, now WHERE have I heard that before...

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. 10 for effort

but it is an attempt top remove Bill's encounter with BLM yesterday.

trust me cupcake, it is not going away

[pangaia]

44. Oh, jesus. Why don't you people just stay in you nice safe gated community.

When you get past the stupids, come out and try again.

[jfern]

48. No one said it was endorsement

[Segami]

53. Shoveling bullshit 101: afternoon class in session...lol!

I would be careful,....from where I'm standing, you might need to graduate to a backhoe......

[Doctor_J]

54. You're not going to pull in any votes this way

Mrs Clinton's reputation is already that of being ethnically mediocre or worse, and an attack like this is making it worse.

[haikugal]

56. Truly pathetic attempt...I'd be embarrassed if I were you.

[OZi]

57. Oh noes!!!

Bernie may get to go somewhere that Hillary may not get to follow. I can typing internet RAGE powers activate!!!

[Goblinmonger]

58. You guys are hilarious.

Proud to rec this further up the Greatest Page.

I love the smell of desperation in the spring.

[oldandhappy]

59. I'll take Bernie over Kim every hour of every day of the year.

[RazBerryBeret]

60. please

don't compare Bernie Sanders and Kim Davis. Ever.

[Tarc]

69. Then perhaps you should inform him to not use the Pope as a campaign ad

and misrepresent him in the process

[RazBerryBeret]

71. hmmm. I can honestly say

I haven't seen the "campaign ad"....

I've seen an american senator who was invited to speak on the subject matter of wealth/poverty and morality. this is an issue that he has worked on his entire life, its a great opportunity for him and us on an international stage.

Show me the campaign ad and i may change my mind, but until then I have to say "congratulations".

[AgingAmerican]

61. There is no 'gate'

Just apoplectic, hypersensitive Hillary partisans freaking out over nothing

[mucifer]

63. Wait Bernie stopped people from getting married?

Just checking.

I know , I know. I just felt like saying that.

[99Forever]

64. "Dubious as to who," my ass. Another fucking Hillarian LIE gets stomped.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

Don't you clowns EVER speak the truth?

[rock]

67. You ain't going to sway BSers with the fact that Bernie lied

They BSer's for godsakes! His lying means absolutely nothing to them. Look at all the above posts. None of them care a twit that this saintly man lied. Of course we can hope that voters will.

[itsrobert]

70. I am sure the Pope is not a happy with people going behind his back

I expect heads to roll after the election is over.

[okasha]

111. Santoro Sanchez's head

is likely to roll immediately after the conference.

[bigtree]

72. all the calls to delete the quotes from the academy president

...are just attempts to deflect from the bullshittery from Sanders and his campaign on this.

What I find amazing is how remote sanders is from the subject and purpose of the conference he's attending. It's not some social or economic policy conference, it's an internal discussion on ecumenical issues.

This is pure, naked pandering which was called out with perfection by the academy president in her remarks.


What's even more amazing are all of these posts quoting Vatican sources as if that's some institution known for truthfulness. Ask survivors of molestation by priests about their credibility.

[mythology]

74. No, just no

Kim Davis was trying to spin meeting the Pope to justify her hatred for gay people. Sanders is at worst exaggerating (or as I think is more likely speaking slightly inaccurately on this) his presence at a conference that is on a subject close to the heart of his campaign.

He's nothing like Kim Davis.

[Tarc]

75. Po-tay-to, po-tah-to

Both used an exaggerated association with the Vatican to promote their respective agendas.

[Gothmog]

76. It looks like Sanders is copying Kim Davis' playbook

[Vinca]

77. That's insulting.

You should put politics aside and be proud there is an American invited to this event. Comments like this make me want to bring back the PUMA movement you Hillary people created in 2008.

[ucrdem]

78. He politicized it right out of the gate which is missing the point by miles.

I kind of think this isn't going to happen, one way or another, and I have to wonder if he ever seriously planned to attend. Since he's not scheduled to speak I don't see the point of teleconferencing and after Friday's media circus I doubt they're going to pitch a new tent just for Bernie.

[B Calm]

83. The only ones politicizing it are Hillary supporters. Bill Clinton pointing his finger at the BLM

movement was devastating to the Hillary campaign and they trying their best to change the news. Their pathetic attempt is tearing the democratic party up instead of looking for ways to unite.

[ucrdem]

95. Apparently the Vatican thinks otherwise. "Monumental discourtesy":

. . . a senior Vatican official accused the senator of showing “monumental discourtesy” in angling for an invitation that puts a political cast on the gathering.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

[B Calm]

97. Stop it! You are not helping Hillary!

[ucrdem]

99. Who keeps harping on Hillary? You. nt

[B Calm]

100. Go ahead.

[DemocracyDirect]

79. PUMA

One good thing happens to a good guy...

... and you are just angry as heck.

We can't even enjoy one good thing because the anointed one must have her tithe.

The same thing happened when a bird landed on his podium.

[riversedge]

86. The View: Host: You're meeting with the POPE? Bernie: "Yup" (sitting nodding)

From Bernie's mouth--a big L.....


From April 8 show:
X-POSTED

On The View today-Sanders said he was going to meet with the POPE
One of hosts said to the audience--.....

Host: You're meeting with the POPE?
Bernie: "Yup" (sitting nodding)

Then the host told the audience --Pope Francis has invited Bernie sanders...Clap clap


Sanders said he was meeting with the Pope. Then when the host told the audience he said nothing--He just nodded ...!!(very short You-tube clip
WHOW!


PS--Sanders is NOT meeting with Pope Francis









0:21 / 1:41
Bernie Sanders on Upcoming Meeting With Pope | The View
The View

[DemocracyDirect]

89. So this is an important issue for the future of America?

Maybe he thought the Pope would be there in the place where the Pope lives.

Geez you are sick.

[noiretextatique]

107. And if he does meet with the Pope?

What will you complain about then?

[wilt the stilt]

80. Is bernie a God

or is he God?

[Buzz Clik]

82. Just a saint

Saint Bernard.

[Buzz Clik]

81. +1. One hundred percent correct.

[Nonhlanhla]

84. As someone who is familiar with the Catholic world

I'm quite convinced that there's a bit of drama going on in the Vatican right now. The pope does not like being used for party political agendas, even though his own overall agenda of course has serious political ramifications. In many ways Bernie's platform (and the Democratic platform in general) has a lot of overlap with Catholic Social Teaching, so I'm glad this highlights that overlap. Under the two previous popes the more conservative parts of Catholic Social Teaching (stuff about gender and abortion etc.) tended to be emphasized, so this makes for good balance.

It seems that Jeffrey Sachs lobbied for Bernie to be invited to this conference, and that they then invited him, so both the statement that he initiated it, and the statement that they invited him, is in a certain sense true. And in many ways it is very appropriate for him to go, given his political emphasis. The problem, however, lies in the fact that he is currently locked in a heated primary battle, and that his public announcement about this event made it sound as if he had been invited by the Pope himself to discuss social matters at the Vatican. Given that huge primaries in states with large Catholic populations are lying ahead this month, this amounts to give the impression that the Vatican is choosing sides in the Democratic primary, putting their finger on the scale. And as such, Bernie's misleading statements on this on national television amounts to using the Vatican for political gain. And that is deeply problematic, both in terms of the Democratic primary process, and in terms of the Vatican's own political infighting.

Inviting Bernie to a conference at the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences is one thing. Inviting Bernie in the heat of the primary battle, and him giving the false impression that he was invited by the Pope and might even be meeting with the Pope, is quite another.

[Tarc]

88. That is what it seems like, different people with different spheres of influence and control

It sounds like this Margaret Archer is the one who is running this conference and is usually, obviously, in the know about who the attendees are. This invitation seems to have originated one level up, with Monsignor Sorondo, though which side initiated the invitation is still up in the air.

[Nonhlanhla]

102. In the end that does not matter

I'm pretty sure there was no ill intent in the original plans to invite Bernie (after Sachs' request), and in the end it does not matter whether Bernie/Sachs initiated it. The problem is the context of the primaries and Bernie's misrepresentation of it this week, and the PR nightmare this is causing the Vatican, which is what Margaret Archer was responding to. It does politicize the event in a way that I'm pretty sure has upset a lot of folks in the Vatican, and it does insert the Vatican into US politics in a way that is very, very uncomfortable.

[HERVEPA]

85. Tarcgate: What Tarc is doing at the moment is basically lying

[Tarc]

87. The Sanders campaign tried to make an invitation to the conference

that the Pope will not even be attending into a personal invitation.

Go bark up the Sanders tree.

[HERVEPA]

92. Go ---- --------

[Tarc]

94. "Go play outside" ?

Well it's rather chilly here this morning. Maybe later?

[HERVEPA]

98. And you can't count

[islandmkl]

90. I imagine there has been hell to pay in Hillary's headquarters...

'How they hell did HE get invited to a Vatican event? Who the hell dropped the ball around here? Get a bishop or something on the phone and get me some Catholic face time with someone closer to the Pope than those idiots who invited Sanders! NOW!!...

Jesus, now I'll have to get up early Sunday and go to Mass and show I'm all in tune with the Catholics....which church has the biggest crowd?'

[Tarc]

91. Not being invited to an event hosted by an organization that is still anti-LGBT and anti-choice

is probably not something the Hillary campaign is sweating over, but perhaps Camp Sanders should rethink just who they're schmoozing up to over there...

[islandmkl]

93. yeah...I'm sure you can find a candidate for anything...well maybe dogcatcher in BFE...

who view the Catholic constituency in the same light that you framed the Church...

sure, the Church needs to come to terms with a myriad of issues...

but it is obvious that your career as a political adviser would be short-lived with your approach to certain constituencies...let us all know the last time some candidate chose to write off the Catholic vote...

some light reading: http://ncronline.org/blogs/faith-and-justice/catholic-vote-2016

[Tarc]

96. Soooooo, it's ok to compromise your principles if it will win votes?

Tell me, how was the Tad Devine School of Political Advising? Did you save your receipt?

[islandmkl]

101. you ask that as a Clinton supporter?

as you folks say, "Hillarious!!"

on the other hand, a total lack of principles DOES allow quite a bit of leeway for the Clintons...

well, not 'total lack'...just almost...you know, Bill's new disclaimer: 'almost'...

he should have said he 'almost had sex with that woman' which would have only made him look like a man who was tempted...as opposed to a common liar...

[noiretextatique]

103. Laughable

I thought you were concerned about choice and gay rights?

[bigtree]

104. "I was invited by the Pope,"

Smooth Kobra ?@smoothkobra 12h12 hours ago
"I was invited by the Pope," is the new "I marched with King"

[Arkana]

106. This is all you have? Semantics?

Is it really so far-fetched that Sanders might have thought he would get the chance to meet the Pope when he went to VATICAN FUCKING CITY?!

[Tarc]

113. Seeing how the Pope will not be in attendance that day, um, no?

Pope Francis to visit Greece April 14-15

[NCTraveler]

112. I wouldn't go as far as Davis.

I do agree with your direction and the way Sanders himself talked about it. Really shady.

[beedle]

115. Hillary is irrelavent

[Tarc]

116. Except for the fact that the Pope doesn't even meddle in Italian politics...

...much less American politics, spot on....

[beedle]

117. Correct

so then you don't have to set your hair on fire anymore.

All this panic over nothing.

[Tarc]

118. Spare us the gaslighting, please

The Sanders camp spun this as a fantastic, exclusive event....while going out of their way to take the "ha ha Hillary wasn't invited neerer neener!" jabs...at first, and have been scrambling ever since as more and more luster comes off this "event".

Seriously, y'all are like the nerdy guy who got invited to the dance by the prettiest girl in school, only to find out once you arrive, she just needed a ride.

[beedle]

119. You know the first thing I thought

when I saw Sanders announce his trip?

It wasn't about rubbing anything in anyone's face. It was "that's great news, I wonder what they're going to be talking about" (yes, on first hearing what he announced, from his own mouth, I misunderstood that this was a meeting with the Pope ... but I checked later and it was just me assuming the the mention of the Vatican had to mean 'Pope'.)

When I found out that it was a conference on economics and the environment, the closest thing to a mean thought I had about Hillary was "I hope Hillary is going to so she can learn something about the problems from a perspective other than just a 'political' perspective."

Then I look at what the (minority) petty little Hillary supporters are doing ... I spent a day, like other Bernie supporters, trying to correct the record being spewed ... the only thing that is even slightly true so far is that ONE TIME, out the the dozen or so times he announced and was asked about the trip, he gave 'untrue' information, he responded 'yep' on a day time entertainment talk show, when they said "you're going to visit the Pope' .... IF there was any "serious' misstatements made, they were corrected immediately, if anyone was fooled it was for only 5 minutes ... but after almost 2 days now it's been a steady stream of the same bullshit over and over again.

Yes, you better believe that now I'm just going to make fun of conspiracy-crack-pots . That's really that is deserved

[Warren DeMontague]

120. If the crowd what spends all day in GDP self-igniting their own rhetorical farts

wants to complain about 'gaslighting', that's funny.

[Tarc]

121. Whoops, looks like Sanders may have invited himself after all...

The Monsignor has modified his comments somewhat...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/10/vatican-pope-didn-t-invite-bernie-sanders.html

[Surya Gayatri]

122. Kick!

[Marrah_G]

123. That is a shameful thing to say