Whatever the details of the Vatican flap...

[LAS14]

... whether Sanders or the conference people made the first move, Sanders should not have let himself be involved in such an event in the middle of the primaries. It shows such a tin ear regarding perceptions and inappropriate involvement of a foreign country that one shudders to think what would happen to our foreign policy if he were president.

[beam me up scottie]

1. ...

[tex-wyo-dem]

5. Ha! Love the gif!

[CharlotteVale]

42. Perfect.

[nichomachus]

2. What a load of crap. You're embarrassing yourself and the Clinton campaign.

There is no "flap" except in the muddled minds of the Clinton fan club. They've devolved into picking up every piece of shit they can think of and throwing it against the wall -- just in the hopes than something sticks.

Sadly, it's all sticking to Mrs. Clinton, Mistress of Mud.

[jehop61]

22. This

Was reposted on the Hillary group. That was the reason for the alert. Check it out

[nichomachus]

26. I stay away

from the Hillary Secret Clubhouse. Too icky.

[CorporatistNation]

58. AGREED! Truth Is That Bernie Has Unimpeachable CREDIBILITY on The Topic At Hand And Therefor...

Bernie's invitation was based ENTIRELY ON MERIT! Same reason Jeffrey Sachs is there also.

[tex-wyo-dem]

3. Wtf are you talking about?

The conference does not constitute "foreign policy"

Ridiculous

[Sheepshank]

6. you can bet your patootie that Sanders will attempt to use it as foreign policy experience

its all he has.

[nichomachus]

9. Yes, it would be much better if he had blown up women and children and destroyed democracies

That's what the Clinton Camp counts as "experience."

[Sheepshank]

17. Bernie finance it all. it's all so evil isn't it?

[nichomachus]

27. Pffft.

[Kelvin Mace]

18. Yeah, I would prefer that my candidate not take foreign policy advice

from a war criminal. If that's your idea of "experience", I'll pass.

[Lizzie Poppet]

4. Just curious, but what color is the sky in the goatee universe?

[Ash_F]

7. The conference is about inequality and that is central to his campaign.

This is a global issue that encompasses the US.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

8. So you guys were wrong with your previous accusation, but he MUST be guilty of something.

Yeah, you go with that. It doesn't at all look desperate or reaching.

[basselope]

10. Whaaaaa????

This just needs to be kicked so people can see how upset the Clintonites are about this.

[Armstead]

11. Booooooooooooooooooring

Please try to be creative if you want to manufacture issues

[QC]

12. Clutching at straws.... n/t

[Shadowflash]

13. Haha.

[Kelvin Mace]

14. Your side makes up an out and out lie about Sanders

them when you get called on it, it Sanders fault for what? Being invited to an event?

Seriously?

I am sorry HRC wasn't invited, but the Vatican just doesn't have a quarter of a million dollars to pay her.

[leftofcool]

41. Actually, it appears he invited himself but I will let the Vatican decide this.

[Kelvin Mace]

46. The Vatican already did

Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican
Reuters

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

An invitation to Sanders dated March 30, which was emailed to Reuters, was signed by Sorondo and also included Archer's name.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-vatican-idUSKCN0X5257

[Nanjeanne]

15. Well . . .

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[Betty Karlson]

16. I rather shudder at the idea of foreign policy conducted by someone who voted or promoted:

for the Iraq War, resulting in ISIS
for destabilising Libya, resulting in ISIS affiliates
fracking
TPP
TTIP
NAFTA
the PANAMA trade deal

and so on.

I can only assume that your OP was meant to be some elusive form of sarcasm?

[MgtPA]

19. That's what Repubs said when Sen. Obama went to Germany in 2008.

Remember, "Ooh! He thinks he's such a rock star!"

[peacebird]

20. Details: Vatican invited Sanders, & he accepted. Enjoy eating your crow!

First meme: he asked to be invited! Shot down.
Second: he was discourteous and didn't follow protocal! Shot down.
Final meme: Bad idea for Sanders to go to speak at conference at Vatican. Now you are just beyond grasping at straws.

Try a little salt and butter, might make the crow go down a bit easier.

[misterhighwasted]

30. He begged the Vatican for a lifeline.

Ala Kim Davis.
Its all a PR stunt at this point.

I don't know if the pope is even qualified to save his campaign from going up in flames.
#feeltheburningbern

JAYSUS TAKE THE WHEEL!!






LINK
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511681215

[riderinthestorm]

33. Link for Bernie "begging "?

[Avalux]

48. Jeffrey Sachs helped the Vatican reach out to Bernie.

So yeah - not sure what you're smoking there.

[misterhighwasted]

50. Man you can't rely on anything online anymore. Pope will be in Greece , 14/15th

Guess we've all been mislead.
Apologies.

There will be NO Pope/Sanders Meet up afterall.


Tue Apr 5, 2016 | 1:09 PM EDT

Pope Francis to visit Greece April 14-15: government official

ATHENS (Reuters) - Pope Francis will visit Greece on April 14-15 and plans to visit the island of Lesbos which is at the forefront of Europe's refugee crisis, a government official said on Tuesday.

Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras and Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, spiritual leader of the Greek Orthodox Church, would also be present, the official said.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0X227F

[Avalux]

51. I never said Bernie would meet with Pope Francis.

For some reason maybe you got confused and thought I did?

[itsrobert]

60. Bernie implied he was meeting with the Pope on the View

You must have missed that.

[misterhighwasted]

63. Yes. And the implication was spread like wildfire.

Wonder if he's flying commercial non-stop?
Campaign cash cannot be used for out-of-country personal affairs. Unless this really IS a campaign event. ??hmm. I'm not sure if that's allowed at all.

Hope he doesn't have a lengthy layover somewhere. That could affect his conference timeline. Hmm.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Let's see. Bernie goes to a conference on economics and environment. Hillary votes for a war.

Promotes fracking to foreign nations, takes money from foreign nations, backs NSA spying on foreign nations.

And, you shudder at Bernies acceptance of an invitation to attend a conference?

I shudder at the thought of Hillary being in charge of foreign policy.

I'm delighted at the thought of Bernie making something of our foreign policy that doesn't consist of war and domination.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. ...

[juxtaposed]

24. This sounds a lot like Obama shouldn't appoint a supreme court nominee right wing bullshit

[Goblinmonger]

25. "Whatever the details" That's the response to spreading misinformation about Sanders.

Whatever.

And, btw, which one is it? Does he not have enough international experience or is he doing too much?

You look silly when you guys spin so much.

[B Calm]

28. How is Hillary speaking AIPAC any different?

[IamMab]

38. Are you aware that Bernie prepared an AIPAC speech too? Lobbied to be allowed to deliver it by

remote video? That the only thing that prevented him from attending the same AIPAC event was his campaign schedule ahead of a large collection of primaries?

If you're going to use AIPAC to villainize someone, it might be a good idea to check whether or not your candidate also tried to perform the same exact behavior you're criticizing in others.

[B Calm]

39. So what? I wouldn't care if Bernie spoke at AIPAC either.

[merrily]

29. The details are: The Pope invited him and, had it been Hillary instead, you'd be kvelling.

Too bad her supporters cannot be honest enough to even admit that or at least stay silent.

[CharlotteVale]

43. That's it in a nutshell.

[Fumesucker]

31. Subtle just doesn't work any more on DU

[angrychair]

32. Eat crow and like it

Sanders was invited, he did not ask to come.

"Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself."

"An invitation to Sanders dated March 30, which was emailed to Reuters, was signed by Sorondo and also included Archer's name."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[Motown_Johnny]

34. If Hillary were going you would think she was being canonized.

Tin ear my ass.

[jfern]

35. So you're saying that your side lied, but somehow it's Bernie's fault?

[Kalidurga]

36. Keep spinning it's a good look on you.

[tm1323]

37. MFW

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[ibegurpard]

40. Lol ok

Maybe you should offer your campaign expertise to him.

[smiley]

44. Isn't Hillary in Hong Kong right now?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280169081

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-pope-clinton-fundraiser/

[kstewart33]

45. The problem with the Vatican flap is that it shows that at heart, Bernie is a pol.

No different than other politicians vying for office. See an opportunity to win votes? Pursue it, whatever!

[Kelvin Mace]

49. One more time,

Sanders WAS invited to a conference on the poor. He didn't ask to be invited. HRC would have been invited but they couldn't afford her quarter million dollar fee.

[morningfog]

47. Concern noted.

[nichomachus]

52. There was no "flap" until Hillaryites started flapping their jaws.

And there's no sign they're going to stop.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

53. LOL! It's a conference about economic justice.

That's the central theme of Bernie's campaign and it makes perfect sense for him to be there. The conference will include scholars and officials from many countries and there will be no "involvement of a foreign country" in the sense of influence of, by or on a foreign government. Hillary wasn't invited. Instead, while Bernie discusses the idolatry of money, she will be attending that $350,000 fund-raiser in Hollywood at George Clooney's mansion. The optics suck for Hillary, which explains why her supporters' panties are in such a knot.

[HERVEPA]

54. Your phony concern is noted

[JackInGreen]

55. Oh ffs

And here I was thinking of being all nice when you were harshed in that other thread, ruined. You're as bad as the rest, if it's not 'he invited himself' then it's 'oh that's just a bad call at this time'. Spin it like the sea duck

[dragonfly301]

56. This OP is reminding me of McCain suspending his campaign in 08

because of the financial crisis and Obama responding that presidents have to do several things at once - well Bernie is going to multitask next week and all will be well. Ok whats up next from the peanut gallery?

[Warren DeMontague]

57. HES DONE. ITS OVER. HE REALLY SCREWED UP. NO CHANCE NOW. I WAS TOTALLY GONNA SUPPORT HIM

BUT...


wait, what did he do?

[Dem2]

59. I've trashed around 40 threads on this topic

Why does anybody even care about this?

[JackRiddler]

61. The only thing worse was when Obama went to Berlin.

[cyberswede]

62. "inappropriate involvement of a foreign country"

Thanks for the laugh!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-governments-gave-millions-to-foundation-while-clinton-was-at-state-dept/2015/02/25/31937c1e-bc3f-11e4-8668-4e7ba8439ca6_story.html