#PapalGate was supposed to be the Friday news drop

[NorthCarolina]

A glorious WEEKEND of attacking Bernies credibility, hammering away at his "trustworthiness", that elusive thing that he has and Hillary doesn't, but you damn Sanders supporters debunked #PapalGate far too quickly. Even MSNBC just did their mea culpa on it ("looks like he was invited, but it's not like tea and crumpets with the Pope, he's just going to speak) and has been forced to swivel back to last weeks #QualificationGate. Luckily for them there's Lock Up.

Are you happy with yourselves?

[peacebird]

1. Did camp weqthervane succeed in keeping PapalGate alive long enough to bury Bill's Racist rant?

From HuffPo: Here’s what he told protesters at a campaign rally for Hillary Clinton in Philadelphia:

“They say the welfare reform bill increased poverty. Then why did we have the largest drop in African American poverty in history when I was president? The largest in history. What happened was, all these Republicans got into — the Supreme Court elected President Bush 5 to 4, then all these Republicans took over state legislatures. We left ‘em with enough money to take care of all the poor people who couldn’t go to work on welfare. We left ‘em with the money they had before the welfare rolls went down 60 percent. The Republicans took it away, and [these protesters are] blaming me.”
This is not true. Poverty dropped during the Clinton years not because of welfare reform, but because the entire American economy was being juiced by a massive stock market bubble. No credible economist even disputes this. The Clinton bubble was fueled by the aggressive financial deregulatory policies of Clinton and his Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan. When the stock market bubble burst, millions of people who previously would have received welfare fell into poverty.

Welfare reform was an intentional effort to curb financial assistance to poor people, on the grounds that many were simply too lazy to get a job. Clinton turned over a federal program to states, who were effectively allowed to slash welfare funding and impose new work requirements on people who received assistance. Even Republican co-architects of welfare reform concede that the program ended up hurting the poor.

[dr60omg]

2. NOPE

Not at all

[Lizzie Poppet]

3. Not if people get to work.

Bill's racist prattle needs to be put in front of as many NY black voters as possible.

[peacebird]

4. I have tweeted everything ai find to BlackLivesMatter and RightSideOfHistory

Because Bernie has been on the aRightsideofHistory all along!

[Lizzie Poppet]

5. Excellent!

That's a very good idea...

[noiretextatique]

49. AAs for Bernie on Facebook are not letting it go

And not giving Bill a pass, as someone here suggested.

[Motown_Johnny]

6. Odds are, there will be a photo op with the Pope.

If it is over tea, that would freaking be hilarious.

[NorthCarolina]

7. True,

but it did strike me how it was characterized on MSNBC "It's not like he's sitting down for tea and crumpets with the Pope, he's just going there to speak". Tea+crumpets=important, speak=yawn.

[Motown_Johnny]

8. They need to find some way to shit on him.

I guess that was the best they could do.

[monmouth4]

10. Funny thing is, when I heard Bernie make this announcement on MJ this morning, they were all (Panel

included) were quite happy and excited for him and I got the feeling it was genuine. Funny that..

[Marr]

9. Indeed. The ancient and venerable Tea and Crumpets Ceremony is denied him.

I thought that was pathetically weak, too. 'Not like it's tea and crumpets'.

[beam me up scottie]

11. Some are still lying about it, denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

Who are you going to believe, the chancellor who invited him or Hillary supporters?

[Doctor_J]

12. Wait. Is that the Vatican font?

[winter is coming]

16. Yeah, it's called Infallible.

[beam me up scottie]

21. DUzy!

[winter is coming]

22. Or perhaps it's Times Old Roman? n/t

[beam me up scottie]

24. Double DUzy!

[winter is coming]

44. Correction: Times Holy Roman.

[tblue37]

32. Yes, it is the font of overflowing grace. nt

[winter is coming]

43. ...

[frylock]

37. !!

[Dragonfli]

15. I WANT TO SEE THE LONG FORM INVITATION!11! WHAT IS BERNIE HIDING? I BET HE"S NOT EVEN INVITED

[beam me up scottie]

18. AND WHERE IS HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE, HUH????

I BET HIS NAME ISN'T EVEN BERNIE!!!

[NorthCarolina]

20. Wait, why is there

a "+" in the signature line? + what? Does that mean "sign here"? If this was really from the Vatican wouldn't they already know where to sign without having to have a "+" there??? Seems all pretty fishy to me.

[beam me up scottie]

23. OMG THE CHANCELLOR CAN'T EVEN READ???

SOMEONE CONTACT THE PEEPLES SPEW!

[TorchTheWitch]

36. it's a symbol meaning the sign of the cross

Rather interesting really. Any priest can use it after their name/signature, but bishops or the equivalent put it in front of their name/signature.

http://www.anglicanritecatholicchurch.org/protocol.html
"All bishops sign their names with a single cross, i.e., +, before their name. Archbishops may alternatively use a double patriarchal cross, i.e., ‡, but should not use two single crosses, i.e., ++."

[mainer]

13. The Friday news drop is now: #PapalGate debunked

Yes, Bernie really was invited by Vatican!

A good weekend for Bernie.

[Motown_Johnny]

14. Funny, their stressing how important having tea is.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/dec/01/Hillary-travel-first-lady/

^snip^

Not willing to concede the foreign "experience" mantle, Obama in November characterized Clinton’s experience as no more than having tea with world leaders.

[NorthCarolina]

17. Obviously NOT important in those instances because

where are the crumpets? It's Tea+Crumpets=Important. Tea alone=not important.

[Skwmom]

19. There's been a pattern of debunked lies being repeated, and repeated, and repeated. nt

[winter is coming]

25. bvar22 used to talk about this--that the point is to poison the atmosphere enough

to make it impossible to get accurate information. It's white noise intended to make it more difficult to hear the truth.

[Eleanors38]

27. That's what I thought the Innertubes were for!

[polly7]

31. +1000. nt.

[Eleanors38]

26. All that Gunneria talk led to PapalGate. What's next? Panama Red?

[Tarc]

28. The still-disputed invitation was only one aspect of this

The other was the "THE POPE WANTS TO FEEL THE BERN!!!! THIS IS YUUUUUUUGE!!!!" screaming threads this morning, when the reality...a conference of many attendees which may or may not include the Pope.

Camp Sanders went to the lot this morning expecting a Ferrari, but at the end of the day they drive off with a Pinto.

[haikugal]

34. So Hillary was invited too?

[frylock]

40. Oh, okay.

[noiretextatique]

50. There is no "dispute."

He was invited, Hillary wasn't.

[w4rma]

57. Why do Hillary supporters end their snark with the Hillary cackle?

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/1xwx9x/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-hillary-s-laugh-track

[upaloopa]

29. Who started this this morning by saying Bernie is going to the Vatican

and inferring that the Pope and Bernie care about income inequality?

[SheenaR]

30. I'm sure it's on purpose

but are you implying those two don't care about income inequality?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

33. Are you of the belief that neither man cares about income inequality?

Oh, do tell. Let me just pull up a chair so I can download wisdom from you more effectively. Now, can you please start again? You have my full attention.

[tex-wyo-dem]

35. OFFS...

The reason Bernie got invited was that the Pope and he see eye-to-eye on several issues, namely, income inequality, social justice and climate change.

Sorry, Hil wasn't invited.

[amborin]

42. given they made $229,319,855 in speaking fees, etc... they don't understand income inequality:

[mak3cats]

38. Why am I still seeing your posts??

I thought I had put you on Ignore. Must remedy that immediately.

[karynnj]

41. Which of those 3 things is NOT provably true?

1) Bernie is going to the Vatican - The conference is in the small area included in the Vatican

2) The Pope first encyclical had a huge amount to say about income inequality -- and, if anything, he is more radical in what he recommends than Bernie. You might want to read it.

3) Bernie cares about income inequality and has spoken of that for decades.

[seabeyond]

39. You are meeting the Pope? Yup. (What are you debunking?)

[beam me up scottie]

45. Maybe he'll say he landed under sniper fire!

[seabeyond]

46. Maybe he will declare the Pope anointed him President, who knows anymore.

[beam me up scottie]

47. See the difference is Hillary actually did claim she landed under sniper fire.

Over and over again.

[noiretextatique]

51. Maybe he will meet the Pope

It's possible.

[seabeyond]

52. Maybe, I do not know. But, I do know when he made the statement that he was meeting with the Pope,

it was false.

[noiretextatique]

53. And...what sinister motive do you attribute

To his Yup?

[seabeyond]

54. Further creating the illusion for our youth voters that he got a message from God, an endorsement

from Mother Nature and a summons by the Pope.

Now, let me clearly say, this is simply a guess. That is what we do when we do not have facts. Guess. But, you asked. That is my conclusion.

[TDale313]

58. Young voters aren't stupid. They like his policies. They like his passion.

Most Sanders supporters I know are well aware of the odds stacked against him/us. They know he doesn't have a magic wand. But they'd rather support someone who is right on the issues and who will fight for them and make the case. They think the system's broken and do not think Hillary is the one to address that fact since the Clintons were a big part of getting us where we're at now.

I am so over this bullshit that Bernie supporters are dumb or that we don't get the reality of the situation. We do. We just aren't willing to throw up our hands and say "Oh well. Guess this fucked up mess is the best we can do"

[seabeyond]

60. Not when they declare he is not establishment/politician as the use it as a weapon against other

Democrats and so much more, TDale. Not when they refuse to ask if he has a viable plan and use fabrication as a test for Clinton being progressive enough, when reality says, it can't be done. Not when he has used the Iraq deaths to have them attack Clinton being responsible for dead babies, and then Sanders declaring of course she is not responsible. That was just a tit for tat thing.

They USE these reasons to NOT vote a Democrat.

Not good enough and it does not serve out youth well.

[TDale313]

64. The Democratic Party needs reform.

And yes, we can and must do better. And no, the Democratic party is not always right and has helped let money corrupt the process. And no, I'm not over Hillary's Iraq War Vote or how she campaigned in '08 or how she's campaigning this time or the millions Wall Street has funneled (all legally) her direction.

The primaries are where we hash out where we want the party to go. I (and apparently nearly half the party) really want to see it clean up its act. It is not disloyal to say so. I've been an active Democrat my entire life. That's why I demand they be better than this.

[noiretextatique]

59. That's absurd...truly. Youth think he's endorsed by God?!

And if he meets the Pope, what then? Youth will think he's God?

[seabeyond]

61. That is what US Uncut and Bipartisan has put out, a couple OPs on here and various

Sanders supporters.

I am pretty confident he is not Gods messenger.

[noiretextatique]

62. I still think it is absurd

I don't care who says it.

[jwirr]

48. Just going to speak. They just cannot help themselves. I am

sure that most of the invited guests are experts in their field and are just going there to speak.

[Vinca]

55. We still might get the ultimate Friday news drop.

And giving the glee of people attacking an invitation to a Vatican conference, I'll enjoy every second of talking about it.

[Kittycat]

56. Camp Clinton Support is in full on Republican Tea Party-like Attack Mode

How many more crazy posts can they put up? They're in full on Benghazi attack mode. O'Reilly, Beck, Palin - Fox News, is that you? Knock-knock. Man, they are channeling her hard this week.

Just let it go, this level of craziness is only isolating your candidate more. Throw in Wild Bill's attack on the BLM supporter this week. Not good.

[DeeDeeNY]

63. Are we now also done with Income Tax Return Gate?

It's one Gate after another these days.