More Enthusiasm Gaps Lead to Missouri flipping for Bernie (51.4% B - 48.5% H)

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Thank you dedicated Bernie Delegates!



according to this FB post: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1149753141721625&set=gm.1165961206761392&type=3&theater

And explanation of how this process worked: https://missouridemocrats.org/party/delegates/

[jillan]

1. Is this like Nevada where there is still one more step before MO is officially done?

I never paid attention to caucuses before and I am so confused

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

4. I'm not sure how it works... Missouri was a primary not a caucus

I don't know what this step is about.

[jillan]

8. Thanks - That's what I thought.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

9. This link was on the facebook that explains the process

https://missouridemocrats.org/party/delegates/

[Viva_La_Revolution]

13. yes, it's 3 tier

Now, on to the state and official delagate count for the convention

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. This will add to the psychological

Factor

[NWCorona]

14. Indeed!

But it's odd that team Hillary would let this happen again. You would think after Nevada they would get on top of this.

It seems like this could keep happening in other states as well.

[questionseverything]

30. her support is a mile wide and an inch deep

nothing once you scratch the surface

[Land of Enchantment]

32. And this will help...first shared with Dragonfli...but for your nice compliment earlier..

[merrily]

3. Not a good sign for the general, if she is the nominee. If her supporters don't show up

for things like this......

[dchill]

6. +1 (!)

[Land of Enchantment]

34. Off topic but here you are Merrily--THE REAL MEADOWLARK

we named Merrily. It sits on a fence line and talks to us every morning while we are trying to plant the garden. We named it for you because it is the Happiest thing out here in the boonies! Now grab the smelling salts!

[merrily]

36. Oh, my stars! I don't know when I have felt more flattered! I am overcome!

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I will try to be worthy of that beautiful creature. I cannot thank you enough!

[merrily]

37. May I brag about this at Jackpine Radicals? I am so touched and proud!

[reformist2]

5. No WAY!!! Bernie supporters flipped ANOTHER state?!?!! LOL!

[Renew Deal]

7. Undemocratic Socialism

[Cheese Sandwich]

16. Really? If Bernie delegates didn't show up all we would hear would be an endless stream of insulting

remarks about how they are stoned and on spring break or too busy playing video games.

[Karma13612]

23. So true! Eom

[IdaBriggs]

31. I think we already had that happen in Colorado, right?

There was some snark going on - but I think it made it so everyone was aware it was fair game.

Rules are rules, and sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

[Dragonfli]

19. It's democratic to show up to vote you got it right, the Hill people in that state aren't democratic

Socialism is a good thing in a Democracy by the way, like I explain to other right winger like you all the time.
It Brings Roads
It Brings Firefighters
It brings SS
It brings ....

Well you get the trend of where his is going, Libertarian brainwashing is a bitch to de-program and so I likely am unqualified to help you.

[NuclearDem]

10. The people are going to get their revolution, whether they voted for it or not.

[Kalidurga]

28. looks like you finally get how a revolution works

[NuclearDem]

38. So, can we stop calling Sanders a "democratic" socialist then?

If you're just going to chuck out democracy, why bother?

[Kalidurga]

39. Who do you think you are talking to?

This is a revolution for the people by the people. And this is how it's going to work. We are going to raise hell. Don't like it don't participate. Or just keep whining about Bernie. I really don't care.

[Agschmid]

41. Really...?

Don't like it don't participate.

Ugh.

[Kalidurga]

42. Hey revolution isn't for everyone

It's not for the faint of heart to be sure.

[Agschmid]

43. Yah well I try to avoid telling people to not be involved in politics.

I'm not "faint of heart" so I maybe I can stand the heat.

Everyone who wants to be involved in politics should be, we shouldn't be telling people to just get out of the way. If we do that were no better than the other side.

[Kalidurga]

44. I didn't say stay out of politics

I said they were free to not participate in the Revolution. If they want to stay in to uphold the status quo that is their prerogative.

[stillwaiting]

11. What is the revised pledged delegate count now?

With every round in the caucus states, it seems Bernie will close the gap more and more.

Voters in states that have not voted yet should take that as a HUGE red flag for HRC.

On top of the youth vote, the independent vote, and the sheer number of loyal Democrats that have a massive problem with HRC as the candidate.

Hope enough people wake up to what needs to happen going forward for the betterment of ALL of us.

[Gregorian]

12. Wasn't Missouri a tie?

The delegates were 34 to 34. Flipping that doesn't do anything. Maybe flip is the wrong word. I'm just confused about everything today.

[NWCorona]

18. Super close!

[kgnu_fan]

15. great!

[reformist2]

17. I'm not sure Missouri can be flipped. I'm reading that their primary was "binding".

I take that to mean it doesn't matter who or how many people show up to the subsequent conventions, that Hillary and Bernie will get delegates proportional to their vote in the various counties, districts, statewide, etc.

I could be wrong. Anyway, here are the rules: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw8qd8A8ZSVLY0RGWFNtMlJkdXc/view

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

20. Are you sure... the table in my OP was tabulated from the numbers listed on the official party page.

[NWCorona]

22. What section of the linked document are you talking about?

Thanks!

[reformist2]

25. The top of Page 15. It's hard to read it, and I admit I only skimmed. But that first paragraph

on Page 15 seems pretty important.

"The Missouri’s presidential primary election is a “binding” primary.

Accordingly, delegate and alternate positions shall be allocated so

as to fairly reflect the expressed presidential (or uncommitted)

preference of the primary voters in each district. The National

Convention delegates and alternates selected at the district level

shall be allocated in proportion to the percentage of the primary

vote won in that district by each preference, except that

preferences falling below a 15% threshold shall not be awarded any

delegates or alternates."

[NWCorona]

29. Thanks!

From the looks of it. It seems that the district level delegates are bound to the will of the people. Meaning they can't flip.

Without reading to deep, it still looks like once elected the delegates still need to be recorded to move on to the convention.

That's just my two cents.

[Kensan]

33. Interesting...

Each state has their own rules, of course. It could be that there is a set amount of pledged delegates that must adhere to the original primary outcome. So if there are a total of 30 pledged delegates to award, 20 of those must be allocated according to the original primary vote. The remaining 10 would be allocated based upon the follow-up "tier" voting at the county/state level.

Just a thought. I have no idea how Missouri election rules are administered.

[Karma13612]

24. Then why have subsequent

Conventions if it doesn't change anything?

[reformist2]

26. I don't know yet. And let me just say I'm someone who thinks Bernie support did in fact flip Nevada.

[Karma13612]

40. I agree on NV!

Will stay tuned.
Thanks!

[Zira]

21. Awesome!!!!

Go Bernie!!!

[bkkyosemite]

27. So when it's said and done Bernie will have more delegates and more states...we need at that

point to push this on the MSM on FB and elsewhere.

[Land of Enchantment]

35. It's the way the MSM wants to spin it---.2% in Iowa is a WIN for Hillary...but there are basic ties

--MI, IL NV, MA, IA and MO was---until today. By my count Bernie has won more states because of the tie factor and it's all still in flux. Here is my map again in case you didn't see it upthread... 15 Bernie (16 tomorrow) 12 Hillie and 5 ties.