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Did CNN just say that Bernie flipped Missouri? (Original Post) NWCorona Apr 2016 OP
Was Missouri a primary? Agschmid Apr 2016 #1
yes. Punkingal Apr 2016 #3
Just found this: elleng Apr 2016 #2
Also just saw that. Agschmid Apr 2016 #6
She may well have won the raw vote, but delegates tend to be awarded winter is coming Apr 2016 #16
Thanks. Agschmid Apr 2016 #17
I think WA has 3 steps until we go to the National convention. artislife Apr 2016 #34
Thanks for those links! NWCorona Apr 2016 #19
Missouri is a mixed bag. First a primary, then a caucus. wilsonbooks Apr 2016 #21
Right, perfect for confusion elleng Apr 2016 #22
If they did say it ... Trajan Apr 2016 #4
Ha! haikugal Apr 2016 #26
I haven't seen anything yet, but... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #5
Didn't catch CNN but noticed this post today. So here's to Missouri:) appalachiablue Apr 2016 #7
Thanks! I didn't catch that thread! NWCorona Apr 2016 #9
Based on my ameteur research, I don't think Bernie can flip Missouri. reformist2 Apr 2016 #8
The only way Bernie can win is to overturn the will of the voters Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #10
How is it Bernie's fault if Hillary delegates don't do the one job they have? NWCorona Apr 2016 #11
Regardless of how it happens, the results aren't reflecting the will of the voters.... Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #14
True, BS is 2.5 million votes behind. Facts are facts, not lies. dubyadiprecession Apr 2016 #20
Gee, that almost sounds like Superdelegates signing loyalty oaths (pre-purchased) before primaries. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #23
I can say the same about team Hillary NWCorona Apr 2016 #25
Well, that's a hot mess of non-truth. morningfog Apr 2016 #30
It's all about the delegates. Votes don't matter. You know that. jillan Apr 2016 #33
One of the consequences of posting so many lies DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #13
What is wrong with the HRC campaign, sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #18
her supporters failing to show up is not Bernie subverting the vote Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #28
This is some next level sour grapes. Hillary needs to get her campaign in check Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #31
I'm not sure that's the correct way to state it, as it's not a matter of what Bernie did. winter is coming Apr 2016 #12
Did they in fact just not show up, or did they possibly change their alegiance? nt NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #15
Even if they just aren't feeling the Hillary Campaign anymore, it's movement Hydra Apr 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #24
!!!!! riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #27
Yup. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #32

elleng

(131,021 posts)
2. Just found this:
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:39 PM
Apr 2016

It appears that Sanders ended up with more county delegates than Hillary because her delegates did not show up again. This is the only proof i have so far.
https://twitter.com/LiberalLaTchr/status/718307075080720384
Edit: Still no confirmation but I found this and it looks good for us: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S9OvnGBIFEdaXx7tGL6tdRAH1qX02IJQtnOD1blpMpY/htmlview?pli=1
According to the Missouri for Sanders Facebook page, people who caucused for him are saying that he won.There should be official confirmation sometimes soon so don't get too excited just yet.
Edit: To clarify, yes Missouri was a primary but the party changed the rules in the last second so what happened was that the delegates held a caucus, and it appears that Bernie won. http://www.abc17news.com/news/midmissouri-democrats-hold-caucus/38924846

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4dv51a/sanders_wins_missouri_unconfirmed_yet/

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
6. Also just saw that.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:40 PM
Apr 2016

This was a very close primary as well .02%.

But still Hilary won the vote in the state, this whole thing is getting very frustrating to me.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
16. She may well have won the raw vote, but delegates tend to be awarded
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:57 PM
Apr 2016

at a lower level... i.e., getting a landslide in one area and crickets in another can put you in a situation where you have more votes but fewer delegates.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
34. I think WA has 3 steps until we go to the National convention.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:01 AM
Apr 2016

I am guessing there is a precinct, a local and then a state caucus step...then onto the National convention.

I work for myself, so I am planning on going all the way if I can.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
8. Based on my ameteur research, I don't think Bernie can flip Missouri.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:45 PM
Apr 2016

They had a "binding" primary. The delegate numbers were set on primary day. Wikipedia has it at 36-35 for Hillary.

There were county & city conventions yesterday across Missouri, and what is circulating today is a tally sheet of the number of delegates for Hillary and Bernie coming out of those conventions, and Bernie appears ahead on that count. And even though those numbers are probably correct, they are likely deceptive, since these delegates will then go to their respective districts, which then will send delegates to state. It's quite possible that some districts for various quirky reasons may have more delegates in total at their conventions than in other districts. If that's the case, then the raw delegate count could show Bernie "ahead". But in reality, when they go to their district and state conventions, it will still boil down to 36 for Hillary and 35 delegates for Bernie.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
11. How is it Bernie's fault if Hillary delegates don't do the one job they have?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:53 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary better get on point.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
14. Regardless of how it happens, the results aren't reflecting the will of the voters....
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:55 PM
Apr 2016

and now Bernie's campaign openly admits they can't win the nomination at the ballot box via voters and pledged delegates so they will try to turn the super delegates against Hillary.

Bernie's campaign isn't interested in the will of the voters.

They're only interested in getting power.

But they will be denied.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
25. I can say the same about team Hillary
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:21 PM
Apr 2016

Until you have actual instances of Bernie flipping pledged delegates I'll hold my breath.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
30. Well, that's a hot mess of non-truth.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016

This is the process, right?

Can't change the rules midstream, right?

Bernie has to play by the rules of the Democratic Party, right?

If Hillary's people are so unmotivated to not show, that's on her, not Bernie.

As for super delegates, neither candidate has a chance of securing enough delegates to win the nomination without super delegates. Supers are not bound to vote any particular way. In other words, the supers will decide who the nominee is one way or the other. Save your feigned righteous indignation.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
13. One of the consequences of posting so many lies
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:55 PM
Apr 2016

is that everyone will assume you're a liar all the time.

Case in point: I believe nothing you say.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
18. What is wrong with the HRC campaign,
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:58 PM
Apr 2016

that they cannot make sure that their delegates
show up? It should be easy, because she has such
a large organization.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
28. her supporters failing to show up is not Bernie subverting the vote
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 08:12 PM
Apr 2016

No matter how many times you try to say it is

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
31. This is some next level sour grapes. Hillary needs to get her campaign in check
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:08 AM
Apr 2016

and turn out her delegates. The rules haven't changed.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
12. I'm not sure that's the correct way to state it, as it's not a matter of what Bernie did.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:54 PM
Apr 2016

Apparently, some Hillary delegates didn't show up. Again.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
29. Even if they just aren't feeling the Hillary Campaign anymore, it's movement
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:45 PM
Apr 2016

And Team Hill has made a massive blunder in assuming that they could sail along with what they had before.

"We're going into GE mode!"

Uhhh...you may want to keep people engaged for more than a few minutes. Just sayin'.

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