2016 Postmortem
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WASHINGTON As the Republican candidates for the White House battled in Wisconsin last week, Speaker Paul D. Ryan was conspicuously absent from his home state but he was very much on the political stage.
He visited Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel, where he also met with local reporters and made several statements affirming the United States commitment there, before heading to other Middle Eastern nations and Germany to discuss security and intelligence issues.
Back in Washington, his staff churned out its latest flattering video of Mr. Ryan, deploring identity politics and promoting a battle of ideas set to campaign-style music. And his office continued to beat back the not-exactly-library-voice whisper campaign favoring a coup at the Republican convention in July that would elevate Mr. Ryan to the top of the ticket.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/11/us/politics/paul-ryan-a-mirage-candidate-wages-a-parallel-campaign.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)On their voting record
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)Does Hillary support?
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)<iframe width="640" height="360" src="
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(29,090 posts)Bill and Ryan in cahoots on "doing something" about Medicare?
It doesn't exactly increase one's trust in Bill.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)If Romney Ryan is the Republican ticket again, after all the media hype about Trump, I am going to spend the months between the convention and Election Day like this
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(7,299 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Not that out there.
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(7,299 posts)bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)The Koch brothers are pushing for him to get the nod if there is a contested convention.
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(7,299 posts)bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)They're banking on it.
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(7,299 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)And you apparently don't read past the headline.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)when someone who did not participate won the nomination ? Just one example ?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)to what is going on with the goppers. I'll try to do my part to educate you. The GOP is actively planning for a brokered convention. It is likely that no candidate is going to secure enough delegates to clinch the nomination on the first round vote. With me so far?
The voting will open at that point. And Ryan is running to be nominated on subsequent rounds. Read the article in the op to better understand. He's releasing campaign ads for fucks sake.
Or, wallow in you ignorance.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)that I posed to you. That's kind of funny....
morningfog
(18,115 posts)the GOP will have a brokered convention?
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(7,299 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)I understand your want to avoid your ignorance in the face of the facts. Ryan is running. He is running in an unconventional manner in a unconventional year.
Whatever. I have better things to do that argue with people like you. You being nothing of substance, only bullshit insults and liberal bashing.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)P.S.: You were the one throwing around terms like "ignorance" and not I.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)The math is simple:
First, start with the Obama 2012 map. Now, remembering Ryan's long track record of saying horrible things about the poor, and his utter failure as Speaker to move the needle on immigration, tell me which Obama state Ryan moves to the GOP column. And before you answer, remember that if the GOP weasels Ryan into the nomination, many Trump voters stay home.
We win in a walk, unless we somehow blow it ourselves (which Hillary certainly has the proven ability to do, but that wasn't the question).
Nyan
(1,192 posts)They're gonna annoint Paul Ryan?
Expect Trump supporters starting riot. And at that point, Ted Cruz might join forces with him.
Vinca
(50,303 posts)he probably could win over either Democrat. It was a con job, of course, but people who don't follow politics the way we do will eat it up.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)So it doesn't really matter.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)the goPee is probably toast either way, but nominating a non trump will expedite it for sure. the freepers are ready to vote for the dem in protest
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Whereas, Bernie has been beating EVERY GOP candidate for MONTHS, and usually by double digits.
OF COURSE, Bernie is the better candidate against anything they put up against him in the GE.
It's only the short sighted who only take the Democratic voters into account.
awake
(3,226 posts)Even against Trump it will be closer than it will be with Bernie as our Candidate. Bill's comments in Philly this week end reminded us that the Clintons are so yesterday, time to move on, America wants to be done with Bushs and Clintons, the Bushs are now out so now it is Hillary's time to go.
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)The only candidates with a significant number of delegates are both insurgent, anti-establishment candidates who loathe, and are loathed by, the Beltway elites. And they're going to magically hand over their votes to an avatar of Beltway elitism on the second ballot? That should be interesting...