2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders says having Southern states vote early "distorts reality."
Jesse Lehrich ?@JesseLehrich 1h1 hour agoSanders says having Southern states vote early "distorts reality." http://time.com/4293069/bernie-sanders-says-democratic-primary-schedule-distorts-reality/?xid=tcoshare
...what happened to their 'better campaign' boasts after New Hampshire?
Edgeoforever @edgeoforever
memories...
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hillary and Bill keep stepping in it so you have to try to gin up old outrage against Bernie.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)Apparently the statute of limitations goes back a lot further than February. The crime bill video is what, 1996? But we can't quote Bernie's campaign strategist from 2 months ago? Are you for real?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It should, it's one of the reasons I can't support her.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)IamMab
(1,359 posts)The post I cited was not about civil rights. Hence, your obvious attempt to change the subject was a complete non sequitur.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Next time you should be more clear about what you're upset about, the only post I saw was about her opposition to marriage equality.
It's not my fault it took her until 2013 to evolve.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)thus allowing a more conservative candidate to build up an early lead. A far better approach would of course be a national primary day for all 50 states.
hill2016
(1,772 posts)the most well-known candidate would win.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)tends to reinforce the idea that the electorate as a whole shares the southern conservative viewpoint.
mythology
(9,527 posts)The Democratic primary electorate in those two states are very liberal.
In Iowa and New Hampshire 68% of Democratic caucus goers identified as liberal.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-democratic-iowa-caucuses-begin/
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/new-hampshire-early-exit-poll-results-are-democrats-more-liberal-n515011
Kind of awkward for your point.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...a majority are black. many, are Latino, as in Florida's primary election which chose Hillary in overwhelming numbers.
They are our party's and this election's most dependable voters. Dismissing that vote as 'conservative' is a lie and a slap in the face to an important and vital base of voters in that region.
Moreover, it's an amazing charge when Sanders has most of his votes coming from less diverse constituencies like Utah and Wyoming which aren't exactly bastions of liberalism.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Think again.
It's not a matter of color. It's a matter of progressiveness.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)southern state?
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I have contact with most "very liberal" person in my state and we all went Bernie.
I'm sure a moderate liberal in the South thinks he or she is liberal, but they're not.
BTW, my entire neighborhood is COVERED still in Bernie signs. We're all mostly union.
I'm proud to be from that whitish green area of East Tennessee/West North Carolina that went for him.
Thank you.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...that lie is why you and your campaign are losing that vote.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Those "Democrats" voted against Transgendered people.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/25/1506355/-NC-HB2-Anti-LGBT-Bill-The-Roll-Call-Vote-And-Time-To-Shame-Some-Bad-Democrats
Grow up!
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)thus allowing a more conservative candidate to build up an early lead. A far better approach would of course be a national primary day for all 50 states.
And I stand by that comment. And while a majority of Democratic voters in those states might be non-white, they do not vote as consistently as the white voters. This lack of consistent participation might partly explain why the GOP has such a lock on government in the South.
And Sanders essentially tied Clinton in her home state of Illinois, a solidly Democratic and very diverse state.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...the majority of Democratic voters may well be overshadowed by conservative republicans, but our Democratic vote there is solidly liberal.
It's an outright lie to claim that there is some black conservative majority there.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)It would save you the work of constructing your straw men and attacking what I did not say.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...Hillary is not a 'conservative' candidate and Democratic voters in the South aren't advocating for conservative issues.
These distortions you're promoting say a lot about why the Sanders campaign lost the Democratic South. They NEVER respected these voters and they can't help themselves denigrating them even further today.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The problem with an analysis of Clinton's positions is that any analysis might be outdated quite quickly as the positions evolve.
And given Clinton's far stronger name recognition, it is not surprising that she did relatively well in the early primaries.
And the Democratic South seems to have become a permanent minority party. I blame inconsistent turnout and racially motivated gerrymandering.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...there is nothing relevant or correct in your characterizations of the majority of Democratic voters in the 2016 primaries.
This is some inartistic revisionism from the Sanders campaign which once postured like they were going to sweep that vote.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)I find your responses to be totally off the point of my responses.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...which doesn't deserve mollycoddling.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Just proved it to you and you called me a liar.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/25/1506355/-NC-HB2-Anti-LGBT-Bill-The-Roll-Call-Vote-And-Time-To-Shame-Some-Bad-Democrats
Gothmog
(145,487 posts)It is sad that the sanders folks cannot deal with the real world
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)In many caucus states, they don't release the final number of individual voters - only the number of delegates.
You know as well as I do that Alaska had more than 540 voters.
Hell, these are just Hillary supporters and she lost there BIG. This is probably 200 people alone in Anchorage.
Gothmog
(145,487 posts)Sanders is trailing in popular vote. Caucuses are undemocratic events which is why Sanders is doing well.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)The DU meme that only black people live in the South is so fucking stupid. You act like only POC live there and that, therefore, it represents a mandate for POC, ignoring the fact that -for one thing- black people are not a monolithic entity that exist for your campaigning purposes.
It is overall more conservative than the north, and if you don't believe me, please read some history.
dsc
(52,166 posts)except in TX, FL, and OK. The fact is the median voter in over half those states was black. No one is saying only blacks voted in our primaries but again in all but the three I listed a majority or plurality of the primary electorate was black.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)When you say "pluraility", does that include "White" as a group?
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)msongs
(67,433 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Well played!!!
frylock
(34,825 posts)Bank it.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)and she could show a big lead. It was all supposed to be over months ago before people had a chance to learn about Bernie.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Did this supposed conspiracy (aided in no small part by California opting to move their primary back from Super Tuesday under the obviously made up idea of saving $100 million - like anybody would care about that little money) manage to look into the future and see that the then unknown opponent(s) of Clinton would fail to do well with black or Hispanic voters when they were concocting this evil plan of theirs?
Also considering Clinton is expected to win in New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and California, why didn't they put those states earlier?
Your conspiracy theory doesn't pass the laugh test.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)The Democrats' plan recommends that the New Hampshire primary be held on Feb. 9, followed by the Nevada caucuses on Feb. 20 and the South Carolina primary on Feb. 27. Other states could hold their contests from March 1 through the second Tuesday in June.
The DNC decision does not set in stone the 2016 primary schedule but discourages states from trying to jump ahead in the calendar. In the past two presidential election cycles, Democrats and Republicans have scheduled the early contests for February but then allowed them to take place in January after states such as Florida and Michigan violated the party's rules and moved up their voting.
Among Democrats, there has been little discussion thus far of states trying to move ahead in the calendar. Like the party did in 2012, the plan awards bonus delegates to states that agree to hold their primary contests later in the spring.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)IA and NH are the first.
Yes, I would like to see staggering over time, but
1 Southern State,
1 North Eastern state,
1 Western state,
1 Westcoast state
And so on. Don't keep it regional for a long time.
Can someone, please, tell me, for instance, why
CA is supposed to come so very late?
Perhaps it should come right after TX?
mythology
(9,527 posts)Here are some relevant points:
"The early date, they hoped, might focus more attention on the Golden State. "Now California is important again in presidential nominating politics," Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said at the time.
But more than 20 other states moved their primaries up, too, and California, if not the afterthought it was in previous elections, was marginalized yet again.
"We've learned that shifting a date doesn't matter," said Jaime Regalado, executive director of the Pat Brown Institute of Public Affairs at California State University, Los Angeles. "Only if we had a more competitive balance between the two parties, then I think we would play a larger role Then they simply wouldn't drop in, parachute in to get money, and leave."
"consolidating the presidential and statewide elections, supporters say, will save state and local elections officials about $100 million."
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I dont know why that would even be a controversial suggestion.