Dearest Hillary Fans, Many of you are going to need to update your sig lines...

[berni_mccoy]

Cher is obviously having major doubts about Hillary as she says she's got way more in common with Bernie AFTER GOING INTO FULL ON RESEARCH MODE.

Hillary's good at covering up the truth that's for sure, she's pulled the wool over many people's eyes. But it only takes some good truth digging to find out who's really got your back: BERNIE.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3539856/Cher-feeling-Bern-Singer-former-Clinton-supporter-says-s-torn-discovering-common-Sanders.html

Cher is feeling the Bern? Singer and Clinton supporter says she's 'torn up' after discovering she has more in common with Sanders

- Singer's been a staunch supporter of Hillary Clinton during her campaign
- While she has criticized candidate Bernie Sanders as being 'disingenuous'
- But she has now changed her mind saying she's 'torn' between the pair
- Cher said she found 'MUCH common ground and new respect for Sanders'

[hereforthevoting]

1. Good PSA

[Agschmid]

2. I think mine is fine.

[Fawke Em]

58. Oh, that's right... today is, what, three years?

My husband is from Boston.

[madaboutharry]

3. Really?

I don't think many people are too interested in what Cher thinks. She may be a perfectly nice person but I don't see her having political influence.

[RiverLover]

4. Too bad. That's a really nice pic of Cher in there.

[onehandle]

5. Oh noes! nt

[Buzz Clik]

6. Noted and updated!

Not sure what you were talking about. Were there lots and lots of HRC followers sporting Cher stuff? I never saw one, but ... noted.



(Cher's endorsement is going to be YUGE with the 18-30 set)

[Surya Gayatri]

7. Not swayed by her POV any more than by Susan "fuck them" Sarandon.

Sarandon, the original BernieBro. (TM)

[Bjorn Against]

11. Your post is absolute proof that BernieBro is being used as a sexist term

You can't seem to acknowledge that women support Bernie so women are referred to as BernieBros.

[Surya Gayatri]

12. BernieBro is a particular state of mind and a specific behavior...NOT A GENDER QUALIFIER.

[Bjorn Against]

15. So attacking a woman by calling her a bro is not an attack on her gender?

That term is incredibly sexist and dismissive of women.

[Surya Gayatri]

21. No, it's an attack on her nasty mouth. That she happens to be a female is immaterial.

[Bjorn Against]

27. It is not immaterial that you are calling a woman a bro

Scolding a woman for what you call a "nasty mouth" by calling her a bro is blatantly sexist.

[Surya Gayatri]

28. Whatev...your poutrage has been duly noted.

A nasty mouth is unisex.

[Bjorn Against]

30. The term bro is not unisex, it is gendered

[Surya Gayatri]

31. A filthy mouth has no gender bias.

[Bjorn Against]

33. Anyone who insults a woman by calling her a bro has a filthy mouth

You are in no position to lecture about filthy mouths when you engage in name calling using a sexist term to insult a woman.

[Surya Gayatri]

35. .../...Noblesse oblige.

[sammythecat]

66. I have a potty mouth

I'm sorry

[one_voice]

63. I don't see why 'bro' can't be gender

neutral. Whore was argued to be gender neutral. Not, corporate whore, just whore.

I also read that whore didn't mean what it used to mean. It just meant a dirty person.

I've never known men to be called whores. I don't know when that started.

I'm not rehashing the corporate whore discussion. Just the word whore on it's own being gender neutral. I have to admit that was news to me.

Bro, Bruh, Brah, all the 'kids' use that. They call friends of both sexes that...mostly bruh, and brah though. Bro, not as much.

[bettyellen]

75. "Bro" has actually morphed into a unisex term applied to people and animals- for being nice.

"being a bro" means doing a helpful thing. The irony in using "bro" as in Bernie Bro is that the "bros" insist they are "doing the right thing" while they steamroll you with how right and good they are. Hope that helps.

[PufPuf23]

74. A black heart is lso unisex. What is your point? eom

[FoxNewsSucks]

23. a "state of mind"?

Does that "state of mind concept" also apply to certain words, such as one that starts with a B and one that starts with a C? In some contexts, they are not meant to be gender qualifiers, but descriptions of someone's extra-despicable assholish "state of mind" .

[Surya Gayatri]

29. A mentality, if you will, that holds civility and common decency in contempt.

[noiretextatique]

53. Fuck civility...truly

We are fighting for the future of this country, and the things we are fighting against are not civil or decent. Regime change, wealth inequity, racism, etc...nothing civil about any of it.

[Surya Gayatri]

54. And, there you have it. F__k civility, indeed.

You are a most worthy example and advocate of your philosophy.

[noiretextatique]

60. And so are you...whining about civility

While supporting someone who helped blocked a wage increase for Haitian garment workers, supported a rw coup in Honduras, and plunged Libya into chaos by opposing a peaceful solution, among other horrors. Nothing remotely civil about any of it.

[Surya Gayatri]

71. Yes, I do value civility and thank you for making that observation.

Civility is the oil that keeps the wheels of society turning. Without it, we descend to the level of beasts.

[CorkySt.Clair]

34. +1

I view the Bernie Bro's as having a sense of entitlement above all else. They're on the scene now and politically aware so everything should be tilted to benefit Bernie. And if it isn't, they get angry. Doesn't have to be a male at all, as you wrote.

[Surya Gayatri]

36. A Bro is a Bro is a Bro...no matter what kind of plumbing they have.

[tex-wyo-dem]

55. Ahhh...so there ARE words that sound sexist, but...

Are not gender qualifiers...rather they define a state of mind or behavior; got it!

Perhaps other words fall into this category...like "whore"

Mmmm

[Surya Gayatri]

56. Read this LA Times article. Should make things clearer for you. Explains the "BRO" phenom perfectly.

"Bernie Sanders' supporters are fighting back, but they might be hurting his campaign"

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-bernie-sanders-supporters-20160415-story.html

[tex-wyo-dem]

59. You're like Hillary last night, won't answer the question eom

[Surya Gayatri]

72. Didn't see a direct question in your post N°59. But, if question there was,

this post might answer it. You're welcome.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511740762#post63

[delrem]

8. Celebrity endorsements in themselves mean next to nothing to me.

Trump is a celebrity.
The Kardashians are celebrities.
It doesn't take political depth to be famous.

I like to hear reasons.

I happen to be in accord with another OP, "I have to admit it...I just don't like her". The fact is that I never have liked her. I'm frightened of her warmongering, how she works for her war profiteering insider trading investment capital clubs. I'm disgusted by the unprecedented graft associated with both Bill and Hillary Clinton. I weep at the number of dead, the refugees and desperate survivors of her policies. I'm offended for the imprisoned, and the disenfranchised, that she walks on like they're a carpet. I don't see her as being a champion of any social value.

Those were my opinions before Bernie Sanders announced. Years before. Hillary has made the case a no brainer.
So how come Cher endorsed her, then only now does some "overnight research"... jeez louise. That's not deep.

I don't much like Hillary's husband either.
By way of comparison, I very much like Carter.

What woke me up about her husband was how the women in my family and close acquaintance slapped my face in vociferous disagreement with my opinion that Bill was a victim of a right-wing Republican witch hunt and that it was not a real matter. I was woken to the fact that Bill was the quintessential sexually exploitative "male boss" asshole, in a world where all up and down the line the "joke" was that women had to fuck their way to the top. He was the poster boy for everything the feminist movement that I'd grown up parallel to but somehow unaware of, was fighting against in terms of sexual exploitation in the workplace.

I had been going along with the "lesser evil" meme that was so natural: Bill Clinton was not Ronald Reagan or George H. W. Bush, so was somehow better. I was clueless.

[Skinner]

9. Oh, shoot! Say goodbye to my epic "If I could Turn Back Time" Battleship sig line!

[delrem]

10. One thing: she's not a paid political supporter.

There's nothing in it for her, so there's a fundamental base for honesty.

[Bluenorthwest]

16. That is important, many of the Hillary supporters I know are financially connected to Hillary and

they are not out front about that fact which I find to be creepy. Just this week I found that another friend who is for her has a son working for her. It's amazing how many there are. In media it's most of them. Most. Not all but most.

[Agschmid]

18. I have no financial connection to her, except I've donated some money.

#NotAPaidShillSince1986

[delrem]

83. Well, it was all about you, Agschmid, so thanks for concluding the discussion. /nt

[Agschmid]

84. You could start an OP about it...

[delrem]

85. Can you make sense of what you are saying? /nt

[Agschmid]

86. Sure...

I'm not paid by Hillary or any campaign, in the last few days Hillary supporters have been called "paid shills", in the past few months we've been accused of having "Stockholm syndrome".

Let me be the first (apparently) to tell I am over that, and most likely we all are.

Since it seems that some specific Sanders supporters, not you that I've seen, feel like they need to start an OP about these things, I said you could start an OP about it.

It's all meta, even my post now but it's pretty damn annoying.

[delrem]

82. Being *that* connected, they wouldn't question how HRC is even more connected.

It's a kind of trickle-up effect, where people get bought, where entire democracies can get bought.
On the lower levels they all say golly, it was just some money to get by.
On any higher level there is no thought put toward it at all. It's all cream, baby...

[Katashi_itto]

19. Makes you wonder....

[Buzz Clik]

20. Parting is such sweet sorrow.

[Surya Gayatri]

37. We'll STILL be able to be wonderstruck at her sense of style, though! LOL!

[grossproffit]

13. I forgot about Cher.

[NCTraveler]

14. I'm so thankful I appear to be in the clear. Thank you. Nt

[SidDithers]

17. No need to change mine...nt

Sid

[Fuddnik]

26. You can't even vote here!

[Tarc]

22. I don't see the big deal with celebrity endrosements

[Myrina]

24. I'd take her more seriously if she used spell check

& learned common social media protocol about spacing and punctuation. Her tweets look like they were composed by a 12 year-old.

And yes, I'm a grammar/punctuation nazi. So sue me.

[Surya Gayatri]

39. Bad style drives me nuts, too.

I sympathize.

[seabeyond]

25. Hey Sanders fan, we do not have the same need to throw under the bus.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

38. None of your business.

[seabeyond]

42. Actually, that would be mine to tell the Op telling me to do something. So no, that doesnt work.

lmao and pointing my finger at the comical you.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

43. I'm only using your own ill-considered words.

[seabeyond]

46. I get that. What you are not getting, is it does not work, with what I stated.

If you are gonna jab back at me with my own words, at the least, let it make sense.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

47. It made precisely as much sense as your original, which is to say, not at all.

You tried telling me I have no business knowing what Clinton said to Goldman Sachs and the others. And that is insane.

[seabeyond]

48. Lets see. Show us the transcripts. None of your business.

I do not need to throw someone under the bus. None of your business.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

49. Thank you. Your words serve my purpose.

[seabeyond]

50. You bite the dust and come up smiling with mud in your teeth. Precious.

[Hiraeth]

62. wow. none of our business. fuck us all. that is pure shit right there.

[seabeyond]

64. You do not get a look see in Clinton's diary either. She does not have to go thru a strip search

either. This outrage of what about us, with her personal that has nothing about running for office is bullshit. Ya. None of your business.

[Hiraeth]

65. ok fine. she really deosn't want the job or my vote then. I don't give a shit what she said

to those assholes. I can guess pretty damn well anyway and it was pure shit.

[Sheepshank]

68. oooh snap...I'd bet she was >this< close to getting your vote

Threatening to take away something you never were going to give, doesn't strike fear in the hearts of Hillary supporters.

[Hiraeth]

69. If you search my posts, you will learn differently, or don't. fucks, I give not.

[polly7]

77. She's getting paid to play ........ what don't you understand about that?

and why don't you believe Americans have the right to know her views on all those things those multi-national companies have already hurt so many with? Does she agree with their practices to their face and say another to the voting public? It's nothing like a fucking diary - she's supposed to be representing 320 million people - they have a right to know what deals she's made billions from with these corporations and how much they will affect her decisions in office. How does one vote when their candidate is so secretive and flip-flops from day to day - people know her history wrt taking money from foreign human rights abusing countries in trade for weapons, what has she promised or traded for with all these other corporations? Do you think they paid her millions per speech for her expertise in pipeline safety? NO. They expect A LOT.

Many say Romney's leaked remark sunk him, do you agree with that?

Did the '47 Percent' Video Sink Romney's Campaign?

A series of video clips from a ritzy Mitt Romney fundraiser last May have made their way to the Web, depicting the Republican presidential nominee making a number of frank and off-message remarks about the race.

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in the video. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what … These are people who pay no income tax."

Romney also joked that he would have an easier time winning the White House if his father—born to Americans living in Mexico—was born to Mexican parents; he expressed skepticism of the possibility of a peace deal between Israel and Palestine; he predicted that the mere fact of his being elected president would improve the economy; and he added that they were limiting his wife Ann's campaign appearances, "so that people don't get tired of her."

The Obama campaign was quick to jump on the comments. "It's shocking that a candidate for president of the United States would go behind closed doors and declare to a group of wealthy donors that half the American people view themselves as 'victims,' entitled to handouts, and are unwilling to take 'personal responsibility' for their lives," campaign manager Jim Messina said in a statement.

http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/did-the-47-percent-video-sink-romneys-campaign

[seabeyond]

79. She has given her view, she has given her policies, she has past experience to go off.

[polly7]

80. She's given SHIT, and her past experience is nothing to brag about, that's for sure. nt.

[seabeyond]

81. We disagree

[polly7]

87. To Protect Hillary Clinton, Democrats Wage War on Their Own Core Citizens United Argument

..........That key argument of the right-wing justices in Citizens United has now become the key argument of the Clinton campaign and its media supporters to justify her personal and political receipt of millions upon millions of dollars in corporate money: “Expenditures, including those made by corporations, do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption” — at least when the candidate in question is Hillary Clinton.

Indeed, the Clinton argument actually goes well beyond the Court’s conservatives: In Citizens United, the right-wing justices merely denied the corrupting effect of independent expenditures (i.e., ones not coordinated with the campaign). But Clinton supporters in 2016 are denying the corrupting effect of direct campaign donations by large banks and corporations and, even worse, huge speaking fees paid to an individual politician shortly before and after that person holds massive political power.

Another critical aspect of the right-wing majority argument in Citizens United was that actual corruption requires proof of a “quid pro quo” arrangement: meaning that the politician is paid to vote a certain way (which is, basically, bribery). Prior precedent, said the Citizens United majority, “was limited to quid pro quo corruption,” quoting a prior case as holding that “the hallmark of corruption is the financial quid pro quo: dollars for political favors.”

Does that sound familiar? It should. That, too, has become a core Clinton-supporting argument: Look, if you can’t prove that Hillary changed her vote in exchange for Goldman Sachs speaking fees or JPMorgan Chase donations (and just by the way, Elizabeth Warren

" target="_blank">believes she can prove that), then you can’t prove that these donations are corrupting. After all, argue Clinton supporters (echoing the Citizens United majority), “the hallmark of corruption is the financial quid pro quo: dollars for political favors.”

Conversely, the once-beloved Citizens United dissent from the Court’s liberals, written by Justice Stevens, was emphatic in its key claim: that there are many other forms of corruption brought about by corporate campaign expenditures beyond such quid pro quo — i.e., bribery — transactions. Their argument was that large amounts of corporate cash are almost inevitably corrupting, and certainly undermine trust in the political system, because of the many different ways (well beyond overt quid pro quos) that corporations convert their expenditures into undue influence and access:



https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/to-protect-hillary-clinton-democrats-wage-war-on-their-own-core-citizens-united-argument/

[Orsino]

32. Well, that's been the arc of the campaign.

Clinton began as inevitable against a couple of relative unknowns. Sanders had staying power, and gradually is picking off support that had originally defaulted to Clinton.

I have strong doubts as to whether he will actually overtake her, but he's doing magnificently, more or less exactly as he had to. And has to continue to do.

Celebrities tend to be isolated, and if Cher is just now getting around to paying attention to a second candidate, well, she won't be the last.

[senz]

41. Yes, when people get the facts, they choose Bernie. Good for Cher!

Sometimes it's hard to admit that we're wrong.

[Orsino]

44. Or at least when people become aware...

...they realize they have choices.

[Sheepshank]

40. I adore my signature line..... will be updating soon, to verbalize My Winner. n/t

[Surya Gayatri]

45. LOVE, love that sig line. The truth bites hard! LOL!

[1StrongBlackMan]

51. I kind of like mine, as well.

[Sheepshank]

52. so easy to sum him up in one liners.

[Surya Gayatri]

57. Great one, too. Encompasses the Bern's essence in one line!

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[ismnotwasm]

76. I was reduced to a GIF

For all the many, many WTF moments from the Sanders campaign.

[Hiraeth]

61. way to go, Cher!!

[ViseGrip]

67. Cher may be looking for publicity, and just making this a BIG WHAT WILL SHE DO?

Then it's a boost when she does it. Cher is playing a game, with Hillary.

Be careful.

[Hiraeth]

70. oh sure. THAT IS THE TICKET

[snooper2]

73. Did Cher turn into a fucking millennial? Didn't she used to know how to write words?

Worst election cycle ever! LOL...maybe she will figure that out

[Cheese Sandwich]

78. Cher has spoken. Please update your sig lines.