A moral economy isn't something that should be sneered at.

[mmonk]

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[elleng]

1. THANK YOU, mmonk.

[antigop]

2. The ones who benefit from the current immoral economy sneer at a moral economy. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

3. Who is sneering at the idea of a moral economy?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

5. you

that was easy

[1StrongBlackMan]

8. Where have I, or anyone, done so? ... That is going to prove much, much more difficult.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

11. wow - really - many many many - but here - today is this - seems you are here also - lol

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027759161

[1StrongBlackMan]

14. My ... You have a strange definition of "sneer".

[SoLeftIAmRight]

15. strange ideas - thinking hillary is not a 3rd way road to destruction

that is a strange idea

[1StrongBlackMan]

19. In my estimation ...

hillary is not a 3rd way road to destruction. And, what IS strange is the idea that a Democrat would think/say she is.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

22. so - what do you think of...

richard wolf - chris hedges - noam chomsky - naomi kline .....and so many others


lol

[1StrongBlackMan]

24. They are generally, good writers; though, at times ...

detached from the world, we actually live in (as opposed to the world as they wish it were).

[SoLeftIAmRight]

26. wow - very good - and it people like you that stand in the way of change

support change - when enough people fight for change we make progress

think think think

who are some leaders that have helped bring real change? need some hints???

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. When am I supposed to report to the re-education camp? ...

or will I just be removed from polite society?

who are some leaders that have helped bring real change? need some hints???

Yes.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

29. name an issue and I will name some leaders

waiting...

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. I'll leave the catergories to you ...

waiting ...

[SoLeftIAmRight]

31. ok - the fight to stop the war in Vietnam -who were some leaders - and who did not joint this fight

this will be fun - and it will be educational - lets go

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. I have no idea ... I was pretty young, and disengaged, when that war was being fought and ended.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

34. The Fight for Women’s Suffrage - same ? - leaders and who did not join the fight

going to lunch - be back in a hour

that will give you time to look up the info on Vietnam

see - this is fun

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. No ...

I know a bit more on that ... Sojourner Truth.

BTW, I won't be looking anything up.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

46. i understand

learning might hinder you beliefs

want to do apartheid in South Africa

who were the american politicians that fought to end - who stood with keeping on the same track

you have not shown that you know much about some major changes

it might be easier if you suggested a topic that you do have some knowledge of

[snowy owl]

37. Antipop said - those who benefit from it. Check out Repub platform 1954 and the diff is obvious.

We no longer have a moral economy. It has been sold to the highest bidder. I fear you have no institutional memory. You may be Reagan propagandized. You certainly haven't explained how we continue to have a moral economy? Our immoral economy can be seen in climate-change propaganda, off-shore tax havens, reduction of government money going to states for education, privatization of education and medical, once non-profit insurance companies turning for-profit. It is all around us.

You've changed the direction of the post and it is a distraction. Obviously, the 1% Kochs who are spending millions and millions if not billions are sneering at the idea of a moral economy. You totally confuse me in your divergence from the point of the post

[1StrongBlackMan]

38. I was responding to a specific question ... I apologize for not following the script.

[snowy owl]

40. Honest sorry? Not script. You ignored her answer. What was point of that?

Took the thread off her point and nothing of substance came of it. That's all. I may be on here too much but when I'm drawn off into pointless distractions, I get annoyed. Sorry if I was wrong about your intention.

[Tom Rinaldo]

7. You don't in any way

And none will accept that that is what they are doing, but to use an event like this as a springboard for sharply belittling a political opponent leaves a very sour after taste. Some here have been doing so.

[1StrongBlackMan]

12. I don't recall commenting on the Vatican visit ...

other than, weighing in on the hierarchy of the Academy.

but to use an event like this as a springboard for sharply belittling a political opponent leaves a very sour after taste.

Okay ... I haven't been reading the threads about the visit. I means so little to me, one way or the other.

[Tom Rinaldo]

16. No reason why you necessarily should read them

They are like all things all over the map, but quite a few have a strong jeering tone to them. I think those reflect negatively much more on the jeerers than on who/what is being jeered.

[1StrongBlackMan]

17. I would agree.

[Armstead]

20. Everyone who demeans Sanders and his supporters...Please note:

I am NOT saying everyone who disagrees with Sanders on specific policies or who supports Clinton.

But the sneering and demeaning of Sanders message and intent, and the idealistic beliefs and goals of supporters -- yea that is demeaning at least an attempt to move us towards a moral economy

[1StrongBlackMan]

23. I disagree ...

I think EVERYONE on this board seeks a "moral economy" ... we just disagree on how to get there and have differing opinions on how long it will take.

[Armstead]

25. If everyone actually practiced that...

We might get somewhere.

But when the idea like a truly universal healthcare system is demeaned as a "pony" and thousands of minute is dragged out to say it "isn't possible" unless it is driven by profit making corporations....

If so many arguments here were not based on the premise of "that's stupid. we can't reach that goal, so ignore the goal" rather than "Here's the goal, how can we reach it."

And people who press for actual change are not naive or ignorant...Maybe not expert in all things (no one is) but the time spent on putting down those intentions and marginalizing idealism is --- depressing and frustrating to put it mildly.

[Tom Rinaldo]

4. It's pretty telling, isn't it?

A respectful discussion about whether attending this event this will harm or improve Sander's chances in the NY Primary is one thing, but outright mockery is quite another. I don't think it is helping Hillary's cause. Fair or not, I think it just feeds into her negatives.

[elleng]

6. Certainly does feed into her negatives, Tom.

[riderinthestorm]

10. +1 Has the media been disdainful? I know DUers have been. nt

[Tom Rinaldo]

18. No, not in the same way...

At least not after the initial flare up implying and in some cases saying that Bernie was attempting to crash a party.Mostly there's been some of the usual fixation on whether Bernie was shooting himself in the foot by leaving NY to go to Rome - but that is the stuff talking heads do to fill air time.

[ibegurpard]

9. it is if you're a corporate whore

[mmonk]

13. There's that word again.

[mmonk]

21. I'm sorry, I'm just depressed for some reason.

After initially having a tear in my eye about the conference, I realize I just don't understand people much anymore. I suppose I'm tired.

[ScreamingMeemie]

27. I got you, mmonk...

I enjoyed the conference speech, I'm glad Bernie went and the rest of it is all static in the background. Don't let them get you down. We are better than this. Most of us are anyways.

[mmonk]

41. Thanks so much for understanding.

[jwirr]

33. I find myself depressed before each election. I think in my

case it is fear disguising itself as depression.

[mmonk]

43. I understand that fear.

Why should it take so long or exist as is and how many elections should it take a just economy to be implemented and enlightenment to be realized.

[jwirr]

45. And I have an urgency this time that was not in past elections.

A feeling of now or never. Of course at the age of 74 that might be true for me.

[azmom]

36. Their candidate is morally bankrupt

so they sneer at any mention of morality.

[snowy owl]

39. So simple: emotion and loyalty vs. issues and intellect. Parsing everything is a distraction.

[Cheese Sandwich]

42. They do sneer at it and demean it. Because they don't agree with it.

[Uncle Joe]

44. It's both moral and increases the chances for societal survival as well.

Thanks for the thread, mmonk.