Hillary Clinton tours run-down Harlem NYCHA building, vows to fight for low-income housing residents

[geek tragedy]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election/hillary-clinton-tours-run-down-nycha-building-vows-change-article-1.2602857?cid=bitly

Hillary Clinton toured a problem-plagued NYCHA building in East Harlem on Friday and promised long-suffering residents she would always fight for their needs if elected — and would boost funding for affordable housing nationwide.

Clinton traveled to East 116th Street in Harlem for a tour of the Corsi Houses, a seniors-only New York City Housing Authority building that has struggled with mold, leaks and an inadequate repair system.

...

To fix NYCHA, which has suffered for years from federal disinvestment, she said she would boost funding for the section 8 program, invest $125 billion to help struggling communities like the South Bronx, and expand Low Income Housing Tax Credits to curb rental costs.

Please, keep posts intelligent and on subject.

[beam me up scottie]

1. And you claim that Bernie is pandering by going to a conference on the poor?

[randome]

72. They're both 'pandering' if you consider working for votes to be that.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[beam me up scottie]

79. Bernie fought for the poor for decades while Hillary made millions pandering to corporations.

One of them is sincere, the other is using the poor as a photo op.

[berniepdx420]

126. is this the pandering you speak of....

Company Amount Date Location

Biotechnology Industry Organization $335,000 6/25/2014 San Diego, Calif.
Qualcomm Incorporated $335,000 10/14/2014 San Diego, Calif.
Cisco $325,000 8/28/2014 Las Vegas, Nev.
eBay Inc. $315,000 3/11/2015 San Jose, Calif.
Nexenta Systems, Inc. $300,000 8/28/2014 San Francisco, Calif.
GTCR $280,000 6/26/2014 Chicago, Ill.
The Vancouver Board of Trade $275,500 3/5/2014 Vancouver, Canada
Board of Trade of Metropolitan Montreal $275,000 3/18/2014 Montreal, Canada
Canada 2020 $275,500 10/6/2014 Ottawa, Canada
Cardiovascular Research Foundation $275,000 9/15/2014 Washington, D.C.
Massachusetts Conference For Women $265,500 12/4/2014 Boston, Mass.
Let's Talk Entertainment Inc. $265,000 4/10/2014 San Jose, Calif.
Let's Talk Entertainment Inc. $265,000 6/2/2014 Denver, Colo.
Advanced Medical Technology Association $265,000 10/8/2014 Chicago, Ill.
tinePublic Inc. (co-sponsored with the Winnipeg Chamber of Commerce) $262,500 1/21/2015 Winnipeg, Canada
tinePublic Inc. (co-sponsored with the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce) $262,500 1/21/2015 Saskatoon, Canada
A&E Television Networks $280,000 2/27/2014 New York, N.Y.
American Camping Association, New York Section $260,000 3/19/2015 Atlantic City, N.J.
Deutsche Bank AG $260,000 10/7/2014 New York, N.Y.
Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies $250,000 3/13/2014 New York, N.Y.
World Affairs Council-Oregon $250,500 4/8/2014 Portland, Ore.
National Automobile Dealers Association $225,500 1/27/2014 New Orleans, La.
Premier Health Alliance $225,500 1/27/2014 Miami, Fla.
Salesforce.com $225,500 2/6/2014 Las Vegas, Nev.
Healthcare Information Management and Systems Society $225,500 2/26/2014 Orlando, Fla.
tinePublic Inc. $225,500 3/6/2014 Calgary, Canada
Pharmaceutical Care Management Association $225,500 3/13/2014 Orlando, Fla.
Xerox Corporation $225,000 3/18/2014 New York, N.Y.
Academic Partnerships $225,500 3/24/2014 Dallas, Texas
Marketo, Inc. $225,500 4/8/2014 San Francisco, Calif.
Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries $225,500 4/10/2014 Las Vegas, Nev.
National Council for Behavioral Healthcare $225,500 5/6/2014 Washington, D.C.
International Dairy-Deli-Bakery Association $225,500 6/2/2014 Denver, Colo.
United Fresh Produce Association $225,000 6/10/2014 Chicago, Ill.
Council of Insurance Agents and Brokers $225,500 10/13/2014 Colorado Springs, Colo.
Salesforce.com $225,500 10/14/2014 San Francisco, Calif.
Commercial Real Estate Women Network (CREW Network) $225,500 10/2/2014 Miami Beach, Fla.
Corning Incorporated $225,500 7/29/2014 Corning, N.Y.
Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd LLP $225,500 9/4/2014 San Diego, Calif.
GE $225,500 1/6/2014 Boca Raton, Fla.
Ameriprise $225,500 7/26/2014 Boston, Mass.
Knewton, Inc. $225,500 7/22/2014 San Francisco, Calif.
Watermark's Silicon Valley Conference for Women $225,500 2/24/2015 Santa Clara, Calif.
Association of Corporate Counsel Southern California $222,500 3/4/2014 Los Angeles, Calif.
Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce $150,000 1/22/2015 Whistler, Canada
Innovation Arts and Entertainment $150,000 6/25/2014 San Francisco, Calif.
tinePublic Inc. $150,000 6/16/2014 Toronto, Canada
Innovation Arts and Entertainment $150,000 6/20/2014 Austin, Texas
Novo Nordisk $125,000 2/17/2014 Mexico City, Mexico
California Medical Association $100,000 4/11/2014 San Diego, Calif. (via satellite)
tinePublic Inc. (cosponsored with the Edmonoton Chamber of Commerce) $100,000 6/18/2014 Edmonton, Canada

[beam me up scottie]

144. The reason why she bailed on single payer health care, or rather reason$:

Hillary Clinton’s Single-Payer Pivot Greased By Millions in Industry Speech Fees

Hillary Clinton’s sudden attack on Bernie Sanders’ single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible — not that it is a bad idea.

Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.

That was certainly Clinton’s position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.

But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.



Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/

Democratic Debate 2015: Hillary Clinton’s ‘Enemies’ In Pharmaceutical and Insurance Industries Have Supported Her Campaigns, Foundation

In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as “Pharmaceuticals /Health Products.” The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.

On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.

In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.


Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundation’s website.

That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance

[Baobab]

141. Her stand on T-TIP and its fracking chapter could be a major driver of housing loss.

because older buildings will be more expensive to heat without continuing natural gas export controls.

Solar energy isn't going to help city dwellers whose cheap rents are tied to a specific apartment that gets turned into a market rate condo..

[beam me up scottie]

145. That's a good point, I hadn't thought about it that way.

[riderinthestorm]

2. Then immediately took off for $353k star studded fundraiser w George Clooney

and high value 1%ers in California!

There. Finished the story for you

[geek tragedy]

5. good to see Sanders supporters showing so much concern

for poor people in urban centers. Those people don't count I guess, because they're not voting for Bernie.

[berniepdx420]

12. Are you serious... Bernie has been a blatant champion for the poor and has led the fight against

income inequality.. you can do better geek



Here's a video of the only true Progressive running for President... I suggest you watch it with an open heart and a open mind...

[Actor]

52. I believe the poster said "Sanders supporters", not Bernie himself, HUGE difference.

[Katashi_itto]

21. Well Someone has too. It won't be Hillary.

[Chezboo]

47. Can you tell us what Clinton did for these people the 8 years she was their senator? nt

[geek tragedy]

51. besides all the money to help rebuild after 911 and

help the first responders?

You can read all about her Senate record here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_career_of_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton

Also, note that there's been 8 years of decay there since she left office.


Anyhow, she showed up and listened to them, which is important in its own regard, as they've been begging people to pay attention to this issue.

[choie]

107. 911 911 911 911 911

I am a New Yorker and the fact that you use this as the example of how she's helped NYers says it all. What has she done to combat poverty, bad housing, failing schools, stagnant wages and public benefits? NOTHING!

[closeupready]

143. Yup. Just like she did nothing for female Walmart employees

when she was on Walmart's board of directors.

[cannabis_flower]

116. Really?

I don't live in New York City so I had to look it up but Harlem is approximately 12 miles from the Twin Towers site.

http://www.rome2rio.com/s/World-Trade-Center/Harlem-125th-Street-Metro-North-Station

Helping rebuild after 911 really doesn't help poor people in Harlem any more than say repaving a street in Beverly Hills would help poor people in East LA or Compton.

[passiveporcupine]

69. Why is Hillary only now showing up in Harlem and touring poor places

Why, because New York hasn't voted yet.

Just like her showing up in Flint Michigan to get a photo op with the Mayor before Michigan voted. But now she doesn't even mention it any more.

Did you really think this was an impromptu act on her part that had nothing to do with the campaign or winning California votes?

Yet you all scream bloody murder that Bernie is using the Pope as a photo op to win Catholic votes, when in fact, Bernie did not plan this conference. He did not set it up as an event that would happen just before NY votes to win over all the Catholics, as you all imply.

He had nothing to do with this honor except be excited and proud to be invited. And that's been confirmed. And everyone in this country should be proud that he was invited to such an important conference about poverty and economic injustice and ecological urgency.

I am not upset that Hillary is using this trip to do a photo op. I do hope that she honors her word if she becomes President, and actually does work to help the poor as she has campaigned on.

Your lie about Bernie not showing concern for the poor in urban centers is just that...a lie. As a matter of fact we've discussed his efforts here about when he spoke out about it when the 94 crime bill was being passed. Even though he voted for the crime bill, he spoke out strongly about helping poor communities to help fix the problems of high unemployment and crime. He's been doing that his whole life, just not making a big deal of publicizing it for a photo op.

So good for Hillary for showing interest in helping poor communities. As a Presidential contender, she should do that. But good for Bernie too for doing the same his whole career, and for his invitation to Rome because they recognize him for his life time of fighting for this.

Your snide comment about us not caring about the poor who are voting republican, or for Hillary, is just nonsense. We care more about fixing poverty in this country than you do, or you'd be backing Bernie too.

[geek tragedy]

71. Sanders and Clinton were both INVITED publicly to come out and see

these projects and the conditions therein. Lawrence O'Donnell put Howard Dean and Nina Turner on the spot, asking if either of their candidates would show up.

Bernie didn't show up.


Also, check out the comments from your fellow Bernie supporters--stuff like:
"nobody cares about this but the Hillaverse."

I believe that you care about this. But a lot of your friends don't.

[Armstead]

75. Bermie hates the poor and doesn't care about affordable housing

Sanders' Housing Trust Fund Program Signed Into Law
Wednesday, July 30, 2008
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-housing-trust-fund-program-signed-into-law

The president signed into law today a massive housing rescue bill intended to help hundreds of thousands of homeowners avoid foreclosure.

The measure creates an Affordable Housing Trust Fund, an idea first introduced by Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) seven years ago. As a House member in 2001, Sanders first introduced legislation to create a trust fund to help build affordable homes and rental housing. The new law creates a dedicated fund to build, repair or rehabilitate affordable rental units and assist first-time homebuyers. The funds would be distributed to states and local communities. "This provision will play a significant role in building affordable housing for low- and moderate-income people, as well as the disabled," Sanders said.

The sweeping legislation also would help communities ease the harmful effects of foreclosures and delinquencies. Under the provision by Senators Patrick Leahy and Sanders, Vermont would receive almost $20 million of $3.92 billion in supplemental Community Development Block Grants. "Vermont cities and towns will be able to provide immediate assistance to the struggling middle class trying to hold onto their homes and revitalize neighborhoods in communities hit hard by foreclosures," Sanders said.

Another $57 million is allotted nationwide for federal grants to help disabled veterans adapt their homes. "With so many service members coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan with disabilities, it is absolutely imperative that we make sure they have as normal a life as possible and that certainly includes adapting their homes to meet their needs," Sanders said of the provision he offered.

The number of households facing foreclosure more than doubled in the second quarter of this year compared to one year ago, according to data released recently. Nationwide, foreclosure actions involved 739,714 homes in April, May and June. In Vermont, public radio reported that the 443 home foreclosures during past three months represented a 65 percent increase over the same period last year.

2014
https://vtdigger.org/2014/12/12/sanders-welcomes-funding-affordable-rental-housing/

WASHINGTON, Dec. 11 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a national leader in efforts to increase affordable housing, welcomed a move today that could free up hundreds of millions of dollars to expand affordable rental housing nationwide.

The Federal Housing Finance Agency ended its temporary suspension of contributions to funds designed to allow more renters to find the homes they need at prices they can afford. The agency that oversees Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ordered those companies to begin to make payments to affordable housing funds next year. The money will go into a fund to provided dedicated revenue for low-income housing. States and local agencies then could apply for the money and use it to finance very-low-income rental housing construction or rehabilitation projects.

“This is really excellent news,” said Sanders, who first proposed legislation in 2001 to create the Housing Trust Fund. “It is no secret that over the past decade, incomes have not come close to keeping pace with the escalating costs of housing. At a time when millions of families are struggling to get by, and when many households are spending 50 percent or more of their limited income on housing, the Trust Fund will provide resources to build the affordable housing we desperately need and create thousands of good-paying jobs.”

The National Low Income Housing Coalition had estimated that in 2012 there were only 3.2 million rental housing units available and affordable for the 10.3 million extremely-low-income households that need them. Sheila Crowley, the coalition president, cited Sanders’ role in a statement celebrating “a great victory” for the homeless and poor. “At long last, the National Housing Trust Fund will have funds to begin to ameliorate the shortage of housing that they can afford. I am very grateful to Sen. Bernie Sanders for championing the NHTF since the first days of our campaign in 2001.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/metropolis/2016/01/bernie_sanders_made_burlington_s_land_trust_possible_it_s_still_an_innovative.html

METROPOLIS
THE CITIES OF TODAY AND TOMORROW.JAN. 19 2016 5:30 AM
How Bernie Sanders Made Burlington Affordable

As the city’s mayor in the 1980s, he championed an unusual model of publicly supported housing. It’s still working.

By Jake Blumgart

....Within two years, his family owned a home in a small town just to the east of the city. The Robbins family bought its home through a conventional realtor and a commercial bank while also entering a covenant with the land trust to lease the land their home sits upon. This reduced the costs of their mortgage and down payment substantially.

They’re far from alone. Across the land trust’s portfolio today, there are about 565 other homes that enjoy similar terms, not to mention 2,100 rental and cooperative units. Half of these holdings are located within the city of Burlington itself, which had a total of 16,897 housing units as of 2010, meaning that about 7.6 percent of the stock sits on the nonprofit’s land.

“We don’t understand why housing isn’t done this way everywhere,” says Robbins, who says the cheaper mortgage allowed his family to save money for college and retirement that otherwise would have gone toward housing. “It’s just such a logical thing to have land owned by a community and the house be your private property to do with as you wish. We’ve just had a terrific life here so far because of it.”


The man largely responsible for this good fortune? Bernie Sanders.

While mayor of Burlington in the 1980s, the democratic-socialist senator and current contender for the Democratic presidential nomination was an early champion of community land trusts. Today, the organization whose creation he made possible—now called the Champlain Housing Trust—is the largest and most influential of its type in the nation.

Community land trusts are nonprofit organizations, with a board composed of representatives of the public, the local government, and the tenants, that obtain land and either develop it themselves or lease it to developers. The trust then removes its holdings from the private market, usually through 99-year ground leases and pre-emptive purchase requirements that limit how much the house can be sold for. Community land trust boosters argue that this not only ensures permanent affordability, but allows the organization to intercede in the case of, say, a foreclosure. An oft-cited study by the Lincoln Institute of Land Policy showed that, as of 2010, homeowners within a land trust were 10 times less likely to default on their homes than their private-market counterparts

.


Fighting for residents of affordable housing
http://portside.org/2015-06-05/bernies-burlington-what-kind-mayor-was-bernie-sanders

John Davis remembers a meeting in 1986 when Bernie Sanders, then the mayor of Burlington, Vermont, confronted the owners of the city’s largest affordable-housing complex. The federal program that had subsidized the Northgate Apartments for 20 years had a loophole that allowed the landlords to convert the buildings into market rentals or luxury condos.

“Bernie pounded his fist on the conference table in his office and told the owners, ‘Over my dead body are you going to displace 336 working families. You are not going to convert Northgate into luxury housing,’” recalled Davis, who was Sanders’s key housing aide.

Under Sanders’s leadership, the city adopted a number of laws to stifle the owners’ plans. One ordinance required apartment owners to give residents two years’ notice before a condo conversion. Others gave residents a pre-emptive right to buy the units and prohibited landlords from bulldozing buildings unless they replaced them with the same number of affordable units. (These measures lowered the selling price of the property.) Sanders then worked with the state government and Senator Patrick Leahy to get the $12 million needed to purchase and rehabilitate the buildings. The city allocated funds to help the tenants hire an organizer, form the Northgate Residents Association, and start the process of converting the complex to resident ownership. Today, Northgate Apartments is owned by the tenants and has long-term restrictions to keep the buildings affordable for working families......

[geek tragedy]

78. He was invited, but didn't show up.

[Armstead]

83. He's been showing up for 40 years -- read the damn post (links)

He missed a photo op, but has been a leader in initiatives to develop and supply affordable housing and rentals and to protect homeowners and open up ownership to new moderate income buyers for decades.

[geek tragedy]

85. photo op?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/sanders-and-clinton-pressed-to-talk-about-urban-policy-221655

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/candidates-challenged-to-visit-public-housing-665617475961

[Armstead]

89. He has toured inner cities in the primaries and he has been walking the talk for decades

Burlington's strong economy and population growth put pressure on the city's housing supply, threatening to displace low- and middle-income families. Under Sanders, the city adopted policies to create permanently affordable housing. The city channeled a large portion of its federal block grant funds to nonprofits committed to that goal, and cultivated a constituency of these small development organizations. The first key move was support for the Burlington Community Land Trust with an initial $200,000 grant. Now named the Champlain Housing Trust, the nonprofit has over $290 million in assets; manages a portfolio of 2,800 price-controlled houses, condos, co-ops, and rentals; and owns over 120,000 square feet of commercial space and nonprofit facilities.

To provide funding for new housing initiatives, the Sanders-led city created a housing trust fund, capitalized in part by a 1 percent increase in property taxes. A year after Sanders left office, the coalition he built successfully pushed the City Council to enact an inclusionary zoning law. Market-rate residential projects were required to set aside 10-25 percent of the units at rents and prices affordable to families with modest incomes and to keep them affordable for 99 years.

The Sanders administration carefully nurtured neighborhood planning assemblies (NPA) in each of the city's six wards, providing them with modest budgets to deliberate and advise on projects affecting their neighborhoods. The NPAs had a voice over the use of federal Community Development Block Grant funds in their neighborhoods. Today, Burlingtonians credit the NPAs with raising the level of resident participation and discussion in local politics.

Sanders jump-started the city's participatory energies in other ways as well. Early on he established a Youth Office, an Arts Council, and a Women's Council, whose first major initiative was an ordinance requiring 10 percent of all city-funded construction jobs to be filled by women.

- See more at: http://portside.org/2015-06-05/bernies-burlington-what-kind-mayor-was-bernie-sanders#sthash.lQaGEQQX.dpuf

[geek tragedy]

92. this about New York City, the one where he's chasing votes now.

Both candidates were pressured to respond to the conditions there, and to address them.

Only one showed up.

[Armstead]

97. Maybe it was a lost vote opportunity -- but as I said he walks the talk

Always has, always will....As the articles I linked to attest

[geek tragedy]

99. local leaders were criticizing both candidates for not paying

enough attention to this.

and if y'all want to praise Bernie like he deserves to be on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel for his junket to Rome, and sneer at the Clooney fundraiser, maybe you ought to not dismiss this issue so breezily.

[Armstead]

105. I'm not dismissing it breezingly

I wouldn't have bothered with those links if I did

Sanders had something else to do. But he (nor I) don't make light of the issue. He has been committed to it for years

[boobooday]

134. Thanks for posting this!

Great information about how he works to improve lives as a leader.

[Lazy Daisy]

137. Both were invited long ago

neither showed up until publicly shamed by Lawrence O'Donnell (good for Lawrence)
Hillary had the chance to squeeze in a short visit at the last minute before jetting off.
Bernie wasn't so lucky.


To imply Hillary had this on her "To Do" list is dishonest. She had no intention until shamed into it.


Shame on Bernie and his staff for not getting in there when invited to do so. But Hillary was their Senator for 8 years and NOW she goes?

Pfft. Paleeeese. Get real and keep it real.

[passiveporcupine]

82. The responses you point to are often in poor taste, but

they are just a few people who are angry and responding to the constant belittling of Bernie and lying about who he is and what he stands for (as you've done here). They are not most of us.

Do you think we haven't seen the same god damn snide comments from your side, constantly? Do I accuse you of not caring because so many of your team say things like that?

As far as showing up for an invitation from Lawrence O'Donnell, maybe the conference in Rome prevented that, or some other plans of the Bernie campaign? Or maybe this is a set up (Lawrence is for Hillary BTW) for a photo op for Hillary and a way to imply that because Bernie didn't jump on the invite, he doesn't care.

Bullshit. Pure unadulterated bullshit and politics.

[geek tragedy]

84. asdf

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/sanders-and-clinton-pressed-to-talk-about-urban-policy-221655

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/candidates-challenged-to-visit-public-housing-665617475961

[passiveporcupine]

96. Thanks for the links

I can't watch the MSNBC videos. My browser doesn't support their player.

I did read the politico story, and it looks like Hillary didn't have time to meet the challenge until after the debate, and now Bernie is in Rome, so what do you expect? Maybe he will squeeze it in when he comes back.

BTW, this group was trying to push this invitation to them before the debate so it could be brought up at the debate, but the debate is about national issues, not local, so I'm not surprised that Hillary waited till after the debate to do this. Yes, public housing is a national issue, but this tour is local. Now she is doing it, but it still will not be addressed in any national debate. However, it is her state now, so maybe this will push her to do something if she becomes POTUS. That's good news.

The campaigns told POLITICO they are still sorting out their schedules for the next two weeks.

“The Clinton campaign has to tell the truth — that Sanders is a rural know-nothing,” Moss said.

No bias here...nosiree!


You are welcome to your indignation...but I think it's misplaced.

BTW, that picture of her touring the building in that nice apartment was a little surprising...the people who live there are living MUCH better than I am. And I'm not on anyone's tour schedule. I wish I had a place that nice. I wish I had a place that someone else was responsible for fixing when things go wrong, because I just have to live with the problems from no money to fix them. For 18 years I've been watching my place fall apart, with no money to fix it. I'm not living in public housing. Lots of people live in poverty and poor housing situations besides those who live in public housing.

[choie]

104. I would say what I feel like saying in response

To that lie, but I'll refrain because I don't want to be banned. Bernie has spent his life trying to help people who live in housing like the piss poor NYCHA buildings. Clinton has done SHIT!! As for his supporters, I'll put their "credentials' up against Those of Clinton's supporters anytime.

[CoffeeCat]

132. Why do you assume they'll vote for her?

Very presumptuous of you.

[840high]

6. Yep

[1StrongBlackMan]

16. And the down ticket Democrats, ...

from the County-level, on up, cheered ... loudly.

[riderinthestorm]

35. Bernie's coattails. 190 down ticket candidates we're fundraising for directly

Who support Bernie’s message

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?4694-Bernie-s-Coat-Tails-Important-List-of-Bernie-Democrats-Running-for-Office

Bypassing the DNC where most of the money is going to Hillary anyway.

[1StrongBlackMan]

44. And how much has Sanders raised for them? ...

campaigns cost money.

[riderinthestorm]

50. I believe Tim Canova is well over $750,000

Lucy Flores, Zephyr Teachout and Pramila Jayapal are similarly into the hundreds of thousands.

You can check their donations too...

[1StrongBlackMan]

53. And those dollars were raised by Sanders?

[riderinthestorm]

59. By us. Bernie has identified whose joined his movement and we're donating directly

Here's a request

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/04/13/seeking-allies-revolution-sanders-backs-progressive-women-congress

[1StrongBlackMan]

76. Okay. We're talking about different activities, but okay.

[stopbush]

29. Great! Happy to see they're supporting Hillary.

She'll need the money as the campaign goes forward.

BTW - $40,000 a pop for a Hollywood A-lister is the equivalent of a $20 donation from one of Sanders' college kids.

[2naSalit]

68. MMMmmm

At least she didn't invite herself to Rome at a major cost for a photo op, didn't invite herself into a political party she hasn't been a member of for over forty years of public service just to run for president...

Back at ya.

[riderinthestorm]

74. Pssst, you're using some very outdated talking points

"A" for effort though!

[2naSalit]

88. Pssst, not really since Bernie isn't even back from Rome yet

and he's still running as a pretend Democrat so how is that out dated?

Swing and a miss.

[riderinthestorm]

95. LOL!!!! DWS and the DNC "allowed" Bernie’s run as a Dem

And Bishop Sorondo has himself said he invited Bernie. Feel free to browse the truth. ..

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/8/1512646/-Bloomberg-News-Vatican-officials-DENY-Archer-account-state-they-issued-invitation-to-Bernie

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Actually, she goes there regularly,

but only if there's a vote or two to be sniffed out.

Do you actually think she cares whit about folks down there? Seriously?

[2naSalit]

67. Yes. ....nt

[snowy owl]

4. I thought she was their Senator for eight years? Late to the party? And the rest of the country?

If she wins, we can thank Bernie for any of the promises she keeps. If she has enough money left over from her upcoming wars.

[Capt. Obvious]

7. No one cares about this outside the Hillaverse

[geek tragedy]

9. I agree, Hillary voters are the ones who care about housing

for the urban poor.

People such as yourself obviously don't care, for reasons we can easily surmise.

[Capt. Obvious]

10. No one cares about this outside the Hillaverse

[geek tragedy]

17. Tell that to the people in East Harlem.

I know you think they're not good enough to join your precious J. Crew movement, but they vote.

[Capt. Obvious]

19. No one cares about this outside the Hillaverse

[question everything]

73. May we help? What button does one have to press to stop the mechanized

inhuman response?

[Armstead]

93. How about some truth about Bernie and his commitment to housing for low and moderate income?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1745873

[1StrongBlackMan]

18. I suspect the people living in those PJs care ... quite a bit ...

and will, likely, show their appreciation.

[berniepdx420]

8. Did she apologize for the Crime Bill and the Welfare Reform Bill while she was there. Did she

apologize for the incredible amount of wealth concentration that has occurred while she has been among the ruling class. Did she apologize to the Iraq war vets there for her "plain and simple mistake" on the Iraq war vote. Did she apologize for doing nothing while in Congress to help redistribute the stolen wealth her corporate friends stole. Did she apologize for her support of DOMA and her speech on the Senate floor declaring marriage as a sacred bond between a man and a women. Did she apologize for her support and financial profit from the private prison industry. Did she hand out some of the $600,000+ she got for her speeches to Goldman Sachs. Did she invite anyone there to her $300,000 per couple fundraisers. Did she share any of the $ 4,000,000,000,000 she and her husband have raised over the last 40 years... ??

[geek tragedy]

11. The people in those projects don't care

about your blathering talking points.

They don't care about your candidate either, since he never had the time of day for them.

[berniepdx420]

14. It seems quite obvious you don't care either about the poor and the incredible income inequality...

because your answer illustrates that point

[berniepdx420]

15. He's fought for them through his entire political career.. here's the video to prove it...

[stopbush]

32. Sanders actually voted for the 1994 crime bill. Hillary was First Lady

at the time, and while she advocated for the bill, she didn't vote on it.

Why hold her to a higher standard than the guy who did vote for it?

[beam me up scottie]

37. Because of the Violence against Women act after opposing the parts that unfairly targeted AAs.

He eventually voted for it to save women's lives:

[stopbush]

40. Yes, there's always an excuse for St Bernard, no matter what he does.

Fact is that he voted for it, Hillary didn't have a vote.

Either treat the issue fairly or drop it.

[beam me up scottie]

42. Saving women's lives is an "excuse" to you? Figures. And Hillary promoted the bill.

Hell to hear her talk she practically wrote the damned thing.

All those dog whistles she used, were those her excuse?

[stopbush]

58. Speaking of dog whistles: "deep South."

[beam me up scottie]

61. Is the deep south now exclusively AA? What kind of person thinks only AA people live here?

[Chezboo]

56. And if he hadn't voted for it, we'd be hearing the screams of how he must hate women. nt

[berniepdx420]

39. firstly... watch the video... second.. what about the rest ?? your allegiance blinds you

There were many layers to that bill.. Bernie voted for it mainly to get the Violence against Women amendment into Law.. that is quite different than supporting the Bill completely as Hillary did..

the following video is Bernie himself telling YOU what would be the outcome to the part of the crime bill that would lead to mass incarceration...


Learn the facts and you will support Bernie.. he is a compassionate integrity filled man..

[stopbush]

41. Thanks for showing up so I could put you on full ignore.

Buh-bye.

[bvf]

13. 12 hides and you actually want to dictate

the tone of responses??

Oh, that's very good!

Here you go:

Bosnian sniper fire. Believe that, too.

[Hekate]

28. What is this, 4th grade neener-neener time? What are your thoughts on the actual OP?

JURY: The OP asked for "intelligent responses," and poster bvf checked the OP's transparency page before chastising him/her. Like, you know, going neener-neener instead of responding. I don't think I am being cruel to point that out.

[bvf]

54. Who accused you of being cruel?

Transparency pages are there for a reason.

If you have any objection to my having looked at the one in question, I'd really like to hear it.

Don't worry: Nobody will think you're cruel, but beyond that, all bets are off.

[beam me up scottie]

43. Don't forget how broke she was when she left the white house!

[bvf]

121. Yep--a real Horatio Alger story, there.

How someone could go from the White House to abject poverty and then bounce back--against all odds, mind you--is truly the stuff of fairy tales.

[beam me up scottie]

122. She had to move to a slum in Chappaqua, where's your compassion, man?

[LisaM]

20. Lawrence O'Donnell did a piece on this the other night on MSNBC

There was a young New York council member, Ritchie Torres from the Bronx, who took Lawrence O'Donnell around for a tour to see some of the problems described in the piece.

At that time, he issued an open invitation for any of the Presidential candidates to come make a visit to see what conditions were like.

Obviously, one candidate was listening. It was a really good piece, BTW.

[geek tragedy]

23. People talk like New York is nothing but millionaires

Income and wealth disparity here is horrible, and the NYCHA is in dire straits.

$25 million dollar condos going up all the time, but these good people having to live in conditions like that.

My wife works with clients who live in these conditions. It's just sad.

[LisaM]

30. He did talk about a "hidden city".

Of course, with Bloomberg's ridiculous nonsense that New York didn't have enough billionaires, and creating a city where wealthy foreigners buy up luxury real estate and leave the apartments empty most of the time, it's easy for this stuff to get lost.

[geek tragedy]

33. bloomberg's housing plan was revanchist gentrification, where it

wasn't about gradually improving neighborhood services but by driving poor people of color out of neighborhoods.

[LisaM]

45. I follow a Facebook group called Jeremiah's Vanishing New York

Last edited Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:00 PM - Edit history (1)

It's extremely informative (and depressing, too, but the guy who runs it has now become an activist and is working hard on some issues).

[geek tragedy]

46. will have to check that out.

on the one hand, it's tough because it's not a simple issue--improving services means higher rent means displacement

on the other hand, the way it's being done is not about improving neighborhoods but by making money for the real estate developers

[yallerdawg]

31. The Republicans have been chipping away at HUD funding for years now.

We have Republican presidential contenders who want to end HUD.

This is a serious subject for Democrats - in the city known as the Capitol of the World.

Hillary shining a spotlight again!

[Armstead]

114. Did you stand up for Sanders when he did that in Baltimore?

And the only thing that made the news was some campaign strategy melodrama crap

[stopbush]

22. Lawrence O'Donnell did a segment on this the other night on The Last Word.

He had Howard Dean and Nina Turner on. Asked both why their candidates had yet to visit a NY housing project when they had both been invited. Both surrogates made the expected excuses.

Nice to see Hillary accepted the invitation. Clearly, this was an issue in NYC.

[geek tragedy]

25. it's been an issue for years and years.

there's so much money in this city, but also so many that need so much more than what they're getting.

[Hekate]

24. 5th Rec here. You know I actually read that as Housing Austerity at first glance. Yikes.

"To fix NYCHA, which has suffered for years from federal disinvestment" -- This is why we need a Democrat in the Oval Office who knows how to get shit done and get it through Congress. Why we need a Democrat who is raising money for other Democratic candidates so we can change Congress, instead of growling "We'll see" when asked if s/he's going to share the funds.

I'm with her!

[geek tragedy]

27. yeah, Republicans in Congress aren't going to be visiting those projects

let alone appropriating enough money to get them fixed.

It took moving heaven and earth to get $$ 911 first responders.

[Half-Century Man]

26. She might start by dropping a million from her charity foundation on the Corsi Houses.

That is why she and her husband built it right? To do projects for the least among us.

Not as a way to build a vast fortune and incorporate it into a tax shelter; control of which can be inherited.

Right?

[radical noodle]

48. Take a risk

Go to the CGI site and pick a continent... see what's been accomplished by combining government, individual and business money to make a difference in the world. If we complain about rich folks while failing to see that they can use their dollars to benefit the world, how are we helping?

They make a difference all over the world. Is it always successful? Probably not, but at least they're trying. You will also find their financial statements, their tax returns and all financial information right there.

https://www.clintonfoundation.org

[Half-Century Man]

86. Never said charity wasn't being done.

I'm saying she has the means to make an immediate difference and control the process of improvement.

As far as their financial information, why bother to investigate the already heavily investigated? A vast army of financial experts and international lawyers have set this up, what could I, as a lay person, glean from those pages? However; the foundation controls billions of dollars. It seems to me the easiest way to amass a trust of billions is to do far less charity than you do gathering donations.



What I was referencing was their articles of incorporation. Who and how is the Clinton Foundation controlled? Mark Zuckerberg recently gave 99% of his shares in facebook to a charitable foundation he founded ($45 billion to the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative). His fortune became exempt from taxation as a non-profit charity. He retains complete control of those funds.

[RedCappedBandit]

133. Fact is philanthropy is not enough to fill the gaps in government funding

[Half-Century Man]

136. Very true.

[Haveadream]

34. Clinton supporters cheer as the candidate speaks at La Guardia Memorial Houses in East Harlem

Thrilled to see HRC!




http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2602856.1460741837!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/hillary-clinton-harlem.jpg

[geek tragedy]

36. If they're part of the "Hillaverse" than I'm proud to be part of it too nt

[Politicalboi]

38. Doesn't Bill Clinton have an office there

It took this long to see that these neighborhoods need help. I guess they didn't need the votes till now.

[radical noodle]

49. He has an office there

for the purpose of helping the neighborhoods there.

[guillaumeb]

55. An excellent idea, and a good promise. Getting it past Congress is

the real challenge.

[geek tragedy]

60. I know. Congressional Republicans are such miserable, awful

human beings.

Their only priority is giving rich people tax cuts.

[ismnotwasm]

63. Yeah that they are

They remain disgusting as ever.

[bigtree]

57. k&r

[ismnotwasm]

62. This is a great campaign focus

Housing for the poor is a serious issue--even here in liberal Seattle, we have hundreds of tents under freeways, bridges, roadsides, the infamous "jungle". The areas are almost all garbage strewn and they have been several fires, as well as crimes including murder, because while tents keep the rain out, they don't provide indoor plumbing, sanitation or safety checks.


I used to live in the WW2 workers-housing here that ultimately became housing projects here. (The story of how they were built is full of irony and in many cases racism) My husband was raised in one called "High Point". While not East-coast rough, they were rough enough. What the King county did, was tear down the substandard roach-invested projects, and built a series of variable-worth 'townhouses' and small communities that could be subsidized as section 8 housing or financed to buy. We also have Habitat for Humanity housing. It's still not nearly enough. But it was a start, and with our homeless crises here, I hope to see more action.

I'm proud of her for her focus on sub-standard housing, very glad she went there.

[geek tragedy]

65. local political official went on MSNBC and issued an open invitation to both candidates

later Lawrence O'Donnell put Clinton and Sanders surrogates on the spot about going to visit.

Clinton showed up.

[ismnotwasm]

70. Interesting

I wasn't aware of that. Very interesting actually.

[nc4bo]

91. Bernie's in Rome. Sanders' core beliefs can speak for him until

He returns.

HRC can enjoy her photo-OP bit what I'd like to know what was she doing while she was a Senator? Is this a new-ish problem that began after her term was over?

[geek tragedy]

94. so it's a photo op unless Bernie is there.

Do you care about issues if they don't involve Bernie Sanders?

[nc4bo]

115. What did SHE DO for poor people when she. was. Senator?

What did she do in the name of poor people?

Did she ever take a stand? Did she ever state in public that in a country as rich in wealth as the USA, we should have people living in squalor or in deplorably maintained housing?

I'd like to know has how much she cared while a sitting senator.

Thanks for your help.

[NCTraveler]

64. +1

To fix NYCHA, which has suffered for years from federal disinvestment, she said she would boost funding for the section 8 program, invest $125 billion to help struggling communities like the South Bronx, and expand Low Income Housing Tax Credits to curb rental costs.

"I will fight for you," she said.

Clinton also hobnobbed with residents and guests, at one point joining in a game of dominoes in the rec room.

[CentralCoaster]

66. Wants to put people into bank debt, does she?

What's that, a $10,000 grant to put toward a down payment on a perpetual bank loan?

Is she funding this or will it be the family foundation?

What would really be cool is if the banks came up with the $10K.

She's not helping, she wants a different stab at creating a larger class of debt-slaves.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. What

She's not helping, she wants a different stab at creating a larger class of debt-slaves.

It is the height of hyperbole to suggest private home owners with mortgages are "debt slaves". If your candidate believes communal housing is the solution to our housing needs he should say so.

[ibegurpard]

77. Yeah right

Where's she been for the gentrification of the past 20 years... esoecially when she was actually a New York senator? Give me a fucking break.

[geek tragedy]

80. This is public housing. Separate issue. nt

[ibegurpard]

102. No it is NOT

Gentrification puts enormous pressure upon public housing...which we are not investing in as we should anyway.
Separate issue my ass...

[geek tragedy]

103. this is about the incredibly awful condition those projects are in.

public housing has a huge waitlist here

[Marr]

81. Hillary books perfunctory photo-op to counter Sander's Vatican visit, before

jetting off for a $353,000/plate fundraiser.

Who do they think they're kidding with this crap, seriously.

[geek tragedy]

98. a lot of these problems have intensified since she left office.

federal funds dried up after Republicans took over, and there were some bad management decisions made at NYCHA itself which didn't help funds come in

[DesertRat]

100. k&r

[choie]

101. She was senator in NY for how long

And never talked about affordable housing...until Bernie. She's a goddamn fraud!

[choie]

112. The point is that what she says is bullshit

and said only for votes. Do you really think she's going to do anything to help the poor if she becomes president? Come on..

[choie]

118. Peace, Vilis

[democrattotheend]

119. Same here

I am happy to see her call attention to public housing in Harlem, whatever her motives.

[cherokeeprogressive]

108. Did she fight for them when she was their Senator? Or is this some new thing?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Show us the money.

[choie]

113. Hell No she didn't!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

109. Let me preface my remarks by saying there are exceptions.

Most of the posters pooh poohing her visit have never lived in a trailer park, have never lived in public housing, or never lived in a weekly motel because they lost their homes.

[Armstead]

111. You do not know that

[beam me up scottie]

123. I lived in my car when I left my husband, I've gone without food and medicine before...

I've had utilities turned off, pawned gifts from my mother and had to work three jobs to pay the bills.

Who do you think you are?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

124. There are exceptions as I said.

I too was homeless for a time and had to pawn my late mom and dad's wedding bands to put gas in the car my friend loaned me.I used to buy my girlfriend expensive bags for special occasions. I had to pawn them too... I never got any of them back. Part of me died then.



From 2010 to 2012 I must have lived in over three dozen places.

And I have been in public housing, trailer parks, and weekly motels.


Skinner has done surveys of members and the members of this site skew more affluent, more educated, and older...


I stand by my initial observation.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

128. I already said what I have to say. You and your associates aren't going to cow me into submission.

I would literally rather die.


P.S. I said there were exceptions. And again I would literally rather die than let someone push me around, offline or online.

[beam me up scottie]

130. I'm not the one trying to shame people into shutting up by implying they've never suffered.

Am I?

That's all you, and it didn't work.

Get off that high horse, you've got no right to be up there.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

131. I am not trying to shame anybody. I was making an observation.

I even prefaced my remarks, three times, that there are exceptions. If it doesn't apply to a person it doesn't apply to a person...

I told a fellow poster that as a medically indigent adult I get Medi Cal (Medicaid) because of the expansion provided by the Affordable Care Act. He told me he didn't like his Platinum Plan. That was almost as rich as the poster who implied if you haven't put together a seven figure retirement nest egg you frittered away your life.

[bvf]

139. Spare us all.

And again I would literally rather die than let someone push me around, offline or online.

You get pushed around here pretty often and thoroughly from the looks of things, yet you continue to spout inanities like the above.

Just sayin'.

[bvf]

125. You are talking out of your ass

and it's offensive as hell.

[ibegurpard]

142. I lived in my car

Fuck you.

[SharonClark]

120. Good for her and her continued support of affordable housing

[SoLeftIAmRight]

127. hillary will support trump when he wants to "develope" this "blighted" area

got to love that goldwater girl

[eastwestdem]

129. Loved the video of her playing Dominos! For the first time it made me want to meet a candidate. nt

[slipslidingaway]

135. If Lawrence O'Donnell is to be believed she never visited while a Senator, true or false? nt

[dflprincess]

138. And as she is driven to and from her fundraiser tonight I hope

She takes note of the number of homeless people in San Francisco.

I was on a hus tour today and sitting next to a man from Australia who told me he'd never seen anything like it. Wanted to know if it's like this everywhere in the US.

[jillan]

140. I'm sure she discussed it at her 353,000 per person fundraiser tonite.

[.99center]

146. How brave of her

It takes courage to visit her victims of welfare reform.