2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI am ashamed for many Hillary supporters
The way they treated this visit to the Vatican, among all the other ways we can describe it, was simply unnecessary.
This is what Hillary's leadership does to her followers.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bernie challenging the anointed one just made them worse.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 16, 2016, 09:13 AM - Edit history (1)
Almost to a poster these were the folks that excoriated LGBT folks for daring to voice discontent with PBO's choice for the invocation at his inauguration.
The same folks that said and I quote "You have enough rights"
Same posters, every single time.
If Hill gets the nod this site will become a creepy ghost town.
yardwork
(61,700 posts)Just saying.
Also, I'm not interested in hearing about what a wonderful guy the pope is. Talk about hypocrisy.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)I thought about you and thought "I should edit my post to "Almost to a poster". You certainly were not involved in that.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Unless they rewrite a lot of the Church's teachings, there's no way a pope could be.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They're calling for another purge too, amazing how that works, eh?
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Money and things now because I believe many aren't in chains themselves, they put people in them
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They lied about his civil rights record, his marriage, called him a deadbeat, a racist, even accused him of being a sexual predator.
So much hatred for the humble senator from Vermont who's worked so hard to help us for decades.
I don't get it.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)If you get in their way then you get stepped on.
And so many who have no voice are just stepped over.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)PufPuf23
(8,818 posts)Not so odd a thought given that many DU posters who support Hillary Clinton were given amnesty and allowed to continue abusive posting despite the predominance at DU that favor Sanders and the many that not only favor Sanders but actively dislike Hillary Clinton.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)PufPuf23
(8,818 posts)That said, it has occurred to me, as described above, that DU is a research tool for the Clinton campaign.
brewens
(13,617 posts)i've considered that as well. probably get a lot of their talking points from posts here.
Marr
(20,317 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)It would take an enormous amount of time to list off the number of positions and policy matters progressives took issue with, only to see those supporters attacking us and arguing right wing talking points, straight up from freeperland. on this very sight.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I could not even bring myself to watch it. Lumping people into groups is a big mistake.
I was bashed as a PUMA well after the GENERAL election, even though I switched to supporting Obama after Clinton dropped out.
I think everyone needs to stop the name calling and the assumptions about one another because after the nomination we all need to get behind someone to keep Trump out of the Oval Office.
2banon
(7,321 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)That's why I'm glad good people like you don't give them a quarter inch. They'd take it and they'd use it against you. These are dishonest people, and we need to go straight-on against them--nothing cute, just shoving them straight back into the disgusting hole they crawled out of.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They've been disrupting DU for years, collecting in protected groups to launch attacks, ganging up on targeted posters, trying to get people banned, nasty business. It's only because we've all united behind Bernie that we have any power at all. There is strength in numbers and I hope everyone remembers this after the primaries are over, if you see someone getting bullied step in, vote to hide personal attacks, give someone encouragement - even if it's by pm. It's our home too.
villager
(26,001 posts)I wonder how they think that makes a campaign "attractive?"
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The way you and many of your cohorts have behaved these past months is awful.
Like I said, I feel ashamed for you - not of you.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Straightforward questions my ass. Tell it to a website you haven't already half-burned to the ground.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... already apologized for multiple times in the last 8 months.
You can call names all you want, which sounds more like bullying to me than asking a relevant to past action question, but reality stands stronger.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)actions carry consequences. You'll never again be afforded any respect by me. You bought it, you name it.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... any actions I've taken
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)You have a poison pen, and you ape your candidate with bullying in the worst way.
I know your game.
It's vile that you seem incapable of recognizing when you should leave someone the hell alone.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)On Sat Apr 16, 2016, 12:24 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Stay away from me.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1752479
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CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)There's plenty of blame to go around for the vitriol here. It's not just HRC fans.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... equivalency to compare false advertisement fo endorsements from labor groups, which Sanders camp has apologized for multiple times, to fake twitter accounts that can be set up by anyone.
I'll wait
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Camp Pinocchio cant be trusted.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... should be the main stay of Sanders camp arguments.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... small and vocal portion?
tia
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)mainer
(12,025 posts)they took a sweet little story about a Jew from Brooklyn (whose candidacy was always a longshot) going to see the Pope, and they reacted with bitterness and rage and ridicule.
Is this what we can expect from President H. Clinton? Four years of bitterness and rage and revenge?
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I'll be like
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Knowing we had a candidate that might of stopped it, but they went with Hillary.
I will have lots of popcorn ready.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Business as usual while the country is occupied with the endless hearings
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)dchill
(38,518 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Some have strange fantasies, but whatever gets you through Bernie's loss.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)No way she avoids impeachment, if elected. And I don't think we can gain enough in the Senate to avoid conviction...
But since I don't think she can win in November, it's all moot.
artislife
(9,497 posts)There will be a lot of bullies crying about it had been her turn etc.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)First female president will come with more "firsts"...likely overshadowing and trivializing the gender element. And as a woman, I want our First Female to be a real role model, not lawyered up and awaiting who knows with the emails and the Foundation.
It's not like ... You too can become president just like me.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)He was invited to a conference... nothing sweet or inherently unique about that... he wasn't invited to meet the pope... that he did was only by the graciousness of Pope Francis.
Stop trying to make this another little 'birdie' story....
mainer
(12,025 posts)That's just been reported in the news. It happened as planned. Yes, he was invited to meet the Pope.
delrem
(9,688 posts)They aren't Dems.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)contrary to traditional Democratic values. They make the internet a less healthy place.
dubyadiprecession
(5,720 posts)This just shows their desperation to create discord, because they know their candidate is losing.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Don't worry. She keeps a white noise machine in her berken bag.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)That's a strong stance to take.....
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)She just brings out the worst in them. Just as Trump didn't make his followers the way they are. They have always been around. He just showed the rest of us how many of them there are.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)Sadly, you are 100% correct.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)they see their leader's behavior and emulate it to some extent. Casual acquaintance with the truth is a perfect example. Revisionism is another.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Catholic Church into political footballs in a presidential election.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Let's all laugh at the projection and lack of self awareness.
artislife
(9,497 posts)It is more like Geek Comedy...but the laughing is at 'em not with 'em.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Awesome!
RunInCircles
(122 posts)You have been a prime cheerleader for trying to smear this. The obvious efforts to discredit and destroy this using failed talking points at every level of this story only served to raise the visibility and turn this into a more miraculous and beneficial story for Bernie.
The level of invective really highlights how powerful Bernie's campaign is and shows the deep fear spreading among Clinton supporters.
If Clinton's camp and you had spent your time ignoring it or almost any other tactic than the constant scream of negativity this would have been so much smaller of a story than it has become.
I think you have been hit with your own torpedo here.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I'd prefer to think anyone with the intelligence and good sense to be a regular poster on a (ostensibly) liberal site like this wouldn't actually post something as simultaneously despicable and idiotic.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)opiate69
(10,129 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Her followers, like the candidate herself, take directions from her advisers. (Whom I don't trust.)
reddread
(6,896 posts)the new puma zoo crew review
me b zola
(19,053 posts)The ugliest type of petty.
Bernie was invited to participate at the conference because of his life-long work for economic justice, and the call to see economic issues from a moral frame. That, all by itself should have been applauded...but no, not here. How sad that the desire to promote their desired candidate would have them act so petty in an attempt to dismiss this honor.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)"The Pope invited Sanders to visit the Vatican" FICTION <-----> TRUTH "Sanders was invited to a conference"
"Sanders has a prized and prominent speaking slot at the conference" FICTION <-----> TRUTH "Sanders spoke for 10 mins before a coffee break"
"Sanders received a letter from the Pope" FICTION <-----> TRUTH "The Poe sent a letter to the conference attendees in general"
"Sanders will meet with the Pope" FICTION <-----> TRUTH "Sanders (conveniently) ran across the Pope's retinue (on its way out of the country) in a foyer (for a 5-min chat)"
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Bernie received an invite from the Vatican to participate in a conference about morality in economic issues.
Bernie went, was received warmly by the people of Rome and the Vatican, and participated in the conference.
Bernie met privately with Pope Francis.
~~~
Pope Francis has always tried to veer away from politics and focus on the issues. If I were a fly on the wall of the Vatican I may know the mechanics of how Bernie's invite came to be, but I am not so I do not and I really don't care.
It was an honor that Bernie was invited to participate. Period.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)ROME U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders says he met privately with Pope Francis during his overnight trip here, his spokesman said.
The meeting took place at the papal residence early Saturday, according Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs.
A Vatican source said the meeting was not a chance encounter and had been planned.
The Sanders campaign had been vague about the senator's itinerary here following his address Friday to a Vatican conference. Francis left Rome later Saturday for Greece, where he is visiting migrants stuck on the island of Lesbos.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/16/italian-media-sanders-met-privately-with-pope-francis/
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
hueymahl
(2,510 posts)Have you no shame?
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)The broad brush stuff has to stop.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Vomitous.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It won't fit your narrative, I know.
It's great that he went to the Vatican, and it's pretty cool that he met The Pope.
I'm not catholic, I'm not a fan of religion to be honest but I'm not about to knock this event.
mythology
(9,527 posts)You can't actually claim with any degree of objectivity that some Sanders supporters haven't acted in poor ways on some subjects.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)supporter. I tore that rat fucker to bits and yet Hillary supporters barf his bullshit at me as if I wrote it instead of objecting to it as I did.
I never, ever see any Hillary supporter object to the antisemitic shit, to the homophobic shit nor to the basic nasty bullying done in Hillary's name on DU. Never. None of you stand up to your own. You just let them say and do anything and you all seem to be proud of your very worst.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Hillary's name with Bernie's.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)... Every single one of them for some sort of churlish, smug, lying, or just generally assholish statement, too...not just supporting Hillary. The latter is inexplicable to me (unless the poster is a 1%'er...then it sort of makes sense), but not worth an Ignore. But over a hundred Hillary supporters have been sufficiently jackass-ish to end up on the list.
Prior to this primary season? Five people on the list for years.
Now? Well over a hundred.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)I have a lot on my list and it would be nice to know how many but I'm certainly not going to count.'
And they're on it for just what you said. . . .so much nonsense. . I'm much less annoyed than I used to be now that the annoyance has been relieved somewhat.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)So the count may be off a bit...it's a long-ass list!
2banon
(7,321 posts)I just caught sight of a nasty bully in this thread I have on ignore, but see the name in the replies. Astonishingly, right wing bully rhetoric and tactics.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)You would think they would already feel shame for Clinton's lies, corruption, war-mongering, dirty tricks and smears, and friends like Kissinger. But they don't. They are ammoral.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Your assertion that she's raising money for down ticket races isn't true.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511749866
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)bemoaned as such by every Sanders supporter on DU if it were the Clinton campaign. Utter hypocrisy.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Just look at the posts. With Hillary people it is all about winning and the campaign.
But for Bernie people it is not. If it were all about campaigning, he would have done much better to have stayed and done his rallies. All the Bernie people talk about is the honor and the message. This is the message he has been devoted to through his lifetime and he got a bigger stage to bring his message about helping the poor to the world. It wasn't about the campaign or he would have stayed. It was about the message.
And Hillary supporters are so self centered, all about "me", that they don't comprehend someone doing something for OTHERS.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)That is the difference between us and you
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)But thanks for the broad brush smear on both the candidate and the many people who choose to support her.
FarPoint
(12,429 posts)This is Primary Season....
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Or lie about the other candidate. That goes for whoever we happen to support.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)I'm not responsible for every Bernie supporter but I do call out crap when I see it. Hillary supporters don't even seem to acknowledge they have people behaving badly on their side too.
QC
(26,371 posts)I've been here since not long after the joint opened in 2001, and I can tell you that the really deranged primary warriors are almost without exception the same people.
They're just bullies and stalkers anyway, and primary season on DU gives them a chance to indulge that with no repercussions. As Ralphie Wiggum says of recess, "That's where I'm a Viking!"
In fact, I can think of several who disappear from this place for years at a time and show up when there is a contested primary. They don't care to engage in any discussion of things like issues,midterm elections, important events, or whatever, but give them a chance to be shitty to people and they come running like hungry dogs in an Alpo commercial.
And then there are the convenient primary period "amnesties"...
QC
(26,371 posts)I honestly think that what changed DU for good, broke it, really, was the decision to throw out the rules and let 'er rip during the 2007-08 primary. It set an ugly new tone for this place and caused division that never healed.
But hey, you can't very well catapult the propaganda if the propagandists keep getting kicked out, now can you?
2banon
(7,321 posts)Quote of the day!
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)and use the Pope as a prop.
hueymahl
(2,510 posts)Not even going to bother to link to the truth because this poster clearly doesn't care. The truth is all over this OP and a dozen other posts.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Hillary on the other hand has openly and provably lied time after time after time after time. When are you going to accept reality and own that? Since when did Democrats start acting like Republicans and just ignore barefaced lies? We have endless Youtube videos of her making completely contradictory statements, yet none of you seem to have the slightest problem with this. We even have people who openly called her a liar in 2008 now wholeheartedly supporting her.
Oh and David Brock.. anyone with that weasel working on their campaign who dares to throw accusations of lying is reaching universe destroying levels of irony.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)LaurenG
(24,841 posts)I'd really hate to think there was a wampus of a story being told here.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Camp Pinocchio is really on a roll lately.
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DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I'm calling out your dishonesty right now. You're from the camp known for serial lying. A big part of that body of lies is accusations about Sanders' honesty. But you people have NEVER been able to show a Sanders lie. We can document lots of your candidate's filthy lies, and from lots of sources. YOU CAN DO NO SUCH THING.
PUT UP, OR SHUT UP.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)That applaud their candidates horribly divisive and anti-democratic "Deep South" comments.
hueymahl
(2,510 posts)Deeply, deeply ashamed. You should be too.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Called too white and dismissed out of hand. Racism much? Even Hawaii.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)I will say that there were a few threads that work somewhat ridiculous in their criticism.
I wouldn't broad brush all supporters of either candidate based on a few threads from one or the other of the candidates supporters though.
When you do that you become no better than the people you are criticizing
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Hillary's leadership is just fine. We're doing just fine. So can the sanctimony and let's see how all this turns out.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Or all her followers would tout that instead of this stuff
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)All of this Hillary hate does nothing for our chances of beating Trump or Cruz in the fall. Both BS and HC supporters should keep their eye on the prize.
hack89
(39,171 posts)my life will crumble without the validation of anonymous political hacks
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)They were chill when HRC's lead was 60 points nationally, but now they are hysterical with fear and loathing.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...and then there was a core "swarm" that made it their mission to be as abusive and toxic as possible... literally. Even going so far as to having their own off-site "clubhouse" where they openly discussed how vile they would be and to whom they would focus their maltreatment, even plotting their "tag-team" efforts.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Yeah it sucks big time.
Raster
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lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)The people you refer to have been this site's resident authority-loving, wannabe-bullies for years now. They're the ones who defended domestic spying, the dumping of the so-called Public Option... name the issue, they've been on the conservative side of it on DU.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)The Catholic church has an ongoing history of sexism, homophobia, covering up pedophilia, etc. When Pope Francis dies, it's more than likely that the Church will go back to being right wing.
What bothers me is that Bernie supporters are automatically pandering to the Catholic Church because Bernie went there. This is not a great moment in Bernie's campaign. If Ted Cruz went to a Vatican conference on abortion, maybe you'd understand what the issue is.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)They're some of the more dishonorable people you'll ever encounter, from any political background. They're vicious, they're poison, and incidentally, they're killing this website--check Alexa.
You'll know these people when you find someone who will not reason with you under any circumstance, and they will not admit a wrong if they're shown 6 links to prove it. These are the people you'll find wasting time with inconsequential garbage, because it's the coin of their pathetic realm. They're liars, and they'll screw you every chance they get.
But if Clinton gets the nomination, they're going to be demanding your support. Let that one sink in for a minute.
artyteacher
(598 posts)Bernie's political ploy was? I'm much more ashamed of Bernie's tactics. Even my Mom who hates politics was saying he did it only to pander to Catholics.
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EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)It was actually embarassing. Their best approach to it was probably just to ignore it. Instead, they looked petty and ridiculous over Sanders attending a conference to speak about Income Inequality and may or may not get a chance to meet the Pope.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)I thought they were smarter. Oh well. They don't even get posts so they hide them.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Gothmog
(145,489 posts)And yet it is the Sanders supporters who are getting the accurate press coverage http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-bernie-sanders-supporters-20160415-story.html
What Bagley had not anticipated was being jolted out of bed by a 2 a.m. phone call from an angry Bernie Sanders supporter. The caller accused Bagley, a retired produce broker from Salinas, of stealing democracy from the citizenry.
Why is Bernie Sanders letting these people loose on us? said Bagley, a Hillary Clinton backer who says he was branded corrupt, immoral and thickheaded over the course of some 200 social media posts and phone calls from Sanders fans. He lost my vote at 2 a.m.
Sanders supporters are known to be a spirited bunch. But as their frustration mounts over their candidates failure to significantly cut into Clintons lead, no small number of them are lashing out in ways that are not particularly helpful to his campaign.
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There is the activist in Chicago who unleashed a movement to harass superdelegates backing Clinton, with an online hit list complete with delegate phone numbers and some home addresses. There are the online trolls who have come to be known as "Bernie bros," who attack journalists, politicians and fellow voters they perceive to be pro-Clinton with misogynistic, often vulgar attacks. There are the campaign surrogates -- some of them high-profile -- who use language the campaign finds itself having to walk back.
This is a great article with good facts