New meme that is pissing me off: If you are white, and you don't support a Hillary candidacy...

[SheenaR]

You are a racist.
You are also sexist.
You support back alley abortions
You are privileged
You don't care about Hispanics and Muslims
You are not a Democrat and never were
You hate Obama


Am i forgetting any?

I am white. My fiance is white. I don't support Hillary Clinton, nor do I support Donald Trump. I think they are both terrible candidates. That's my right. That's my right as a white woman, who lives at the poverty line despite having a degree.

I support single payer. I support paid family leave. I support the fight for $15. I support tuition free college.

Why does that make me privileged? Why am i a racist? Why am I sexist (even though I am a woman)? Why does that make me an enemy of Muslims and Hispanics?

Cut the shit Clinton supporters. You want people like me on your side. You want me pounding the pavement and making hundreds of calls like we just did here to win in RI. You want me on your side. So stop making me out to be your enemy.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. ^^^This!^^^

[VulgarPoet]

2. These people make me realize why every veteran I've ever known has at one point in their life

prefaced whatever it was they were going to say to a civilian with "look, fucker". You clearly need to shock them into silence before trying to engage with them before they try to compose a flimsy strawman of you and take a zippo to the effigy.

EDIT: Then again, all I've ever known were Army and Navy vets... Hm.

[Garrett78]

3. Some conflate racism and ignorance.

I suspect there are a lot of Sanders supporters who underestimate white privilege. I also suspect there are a lot of Sanders supporters who fail to recognize that racial injustice and economic injustice are two distinct problems with distinct solutions. If a Sanders supporter takes that to mean I'm accusing them of being racist, that's on them.

[SheenaR]

6. I unfortunately have to paint with a broad brush

Not all Clinton supporters are the same. I have worked with and for struggling inner city communities. I am aware of the problems. I am aware and have seen profiling at its worst. I speak as someone who "gets it"

[TM99]

8. Except Sanders

is the only candidate who has shown a history of dealing with both economic and social justice which are two sides of the same coin.

Clinton has not.

If you think a Wall Street loved, free trade loving, neoliberal corporatist is going to bring about any sort of economic justice, you are delusional.

If you think a bringing superpredators to heel, DOMA & DADT supporting, mi abuela neoliberal is going to bring about any sort of social justice, you are delusional.

[Garrett78]

36. While those forms of justice are linked, they are also distinct.

Addressing one will not completely address the other.

[TM99]

57. Which still does not dispute

the fact that Clinton will not address economic justice and only gives pandering lip service to social justice.

Have you seen her and Bill's response to BLM? No tell me with a straight face that those fuckers care.

[peace13]

29. There are still white people alive who stood with Sanders for civil rights.

Where do you people get off! One of my friends was there. I was five at the time so I wasn't there. I did work my ass off for Obama though. Sanders is to civil rights what Hillary is to back door double deals! All over it!!!! Mean people suck and there are a hell of a lot of them here.

[Garrett78]

35. You're not reading what I'm writing.

I'm not talking about Sanders, nor am I accusing anyone of being a racist. I'm simply saying that quite a few Sanders supporters seem to not recognize that racial injustice and economic injustice are 2 distinct problems.

Those who are pro-Obama and anti-Clinton confuse the hell out of me.

[bbgrunt]

84. well, there you go. If you're confused, best to stop repeating yourself.

[Urchin]

94. I support Sanders and

I think economic injustice and racial injustice are related problems. Cure economic injustice, and it will be much easier to eliminate racial injustice.

When people feel under pressure, it's human nature for a society to form factions that war with each other.

Note how easy it was for the Nazis to direct the economically stressed German people to take out their pent-up frustrations on minorities.

The biggest problem is the growing lack of economic opportunity for most Americans. Fix that, and you will go a long way to fixing all our other problems.

[senz]

96. Bernie Sanders is a lifelong advocate for racial and economic justice.

And don't ever call us racist again.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511324268

[Rebkeh]

4. Yup

It's patently absurd.

I consider it an extension of the old "if you're not with us, your against us" tactic.

It's going to fail anyway, let them keep digging.

[arcane1]

5. Exploiting race and gender to create divisions. It's not just for republicans anymore!

[LexVegas]

7. If someone has to constantly explain why they aren't a racist or sexist, it might be them.

And not the people that say they are a racist or sexist.

[arikara]

17. You guys do a great job

Winning the people you are going to need over to your side.

Keep up the good work!

/sarcasm

[LexVegas]

20. ...

[arikara]

26. Ah yes, the passive aggressive smiley

[Yurovsky]

33. The HRC crowd never read Dale Carnegie ...

or if they did, they didn't retain a lick of it.

They want to drag the party back to the Right (how many times do we have to hear how BS supporters aren't "realistic"?). Well, they can try. But I'm staying right were I'm at. Comfortable with my progressive ideals and values.

I guarantee the majority of Americans are ,moving in my direction, not Hillary's. She's a fossil, a relic of our past. Even if she gets elected, it'll be one and done. She isn't well liked, and there's a reason her campaign has kept her out of sight for most of the past 2 years. The more people see & hear of Hillary, the less they like her. And I think her supporters are a reflection of her antisocial idiosyncratic personality/behavior. They are taking a victory lap and spitting in our faces, rather than offering a hand and saying "good race".

[arikara]

68. The revolution may not be televised

But it's still happening. I remember well the rage people felt when the election was stolen and handed to Bush. All the dirty tricks and media manipulation against Bernie's campaign, then the absolute glee they take in rubbing our noses in it will certainly backfire on them.

And I also agree that they are taking their vindictive behavioural cues from their leader.

[grasswire]

83. this, yes

Tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) are readily self identifying as socialists RIGHT NOW in this campaign. America is changing before our eyes as young people see and want what Europeans have in quality of life.

I heard Hillary described on TV yesterday as an old woman, and it hit me. Yes. She is an old, out-of-touch woman attempting to portray someone more hip, someone in touch. Young people both laugh at her and despise what she stands for.

Status quo as a strategy is dead. Gone.

[nolawarlock]

48. At least most of you are talking in terms that suggest you know he's already lost. nt

(a little less passive-aggressive smiley)

[snowy owl]

90. You nailed it. Lex seems to find a lot of pleasure reducing everything to lowest common denominator

[Marr]

92. Not when oversized children bleat 'racist/sexist' at everyone with whom they disagree. /nt

[Kall]

103. And away we go.

[Trajan]

9. I think the real problem is ...

These folks call themselves Democrats, but that's just a name they stole ....

They are assholes ... Pure and simple ...

Great OP ... Thanks

[nolawarlock]

54. Wow

Wow. People can call people anything on this site, as long as they're Bernie supporters. What a rigged piece of junk that jury system is.

--------------------------------------------------

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Callling Hillary supporters on this site assholes? Real classy.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:36 PM, and voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Calling fellow Demcrats names is childish and against the TOS.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Someone speaking their mind.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hill-bot supporters have said worse. Leave it.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you.

[Yurovsky]

95. Jury decisions go both ways...

I had a post blocked that was nothing more than an actual picture of Hillary in an orange pantsuit. It wasn't photoshopped or otherwise altered, and all I posted was "something in Orange, perhaps?"

That was it. That was all. If a fucking real picture of HRC with a fairly harmless bit of text is enough to get her supporters crying to mommy over the big bad Sanders bullies, her peeps are going to swallow their goddamn tongues and piss themselves when Trump and his minions open fire with shit A MILLION TIMES WORSE.

Hillary has faced nothing but underhand, slow pitch wiffle balls in the primaries. Trumps BILLIONS could be serving up 100mph chin music on a daily basis for the next 6 months. You people better toughen up real quick. Bernie played nice. The GOP won't. All the cute little cards and "loud voice" hectoring by HRC is going to fall short of countering the nuclear barrage coming Hillary's way.

Add to that his supporters are highly motivated. Hillary's? Not so much. Show me video of a HRC rally that DOESN'T resemble a viewing at a funeral home. Hard to get excited over Goldman Sachs' favorite Democrat.

[Aerows]

113. It was probably left alone

because it is accurate in some cases.

Oh, it looks like you are Flagged For Review.

[JaneyVee]

10. No one is making you the "enemy", anyone threatening to...

Not vote is our common enemy. Silence is consent. #NeverTrump

But you gotta admit, the only demographic that is overwhelmingly threatening not to vote isnt very diverse.

[LexVegas]

11. Exactly. nt

[KingFlorez]

13. Yes

There are people trying to make themselves sort of enemy to justify sitting out the election.

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. +1. Though I would use the word "victim".

[runaway hero]

56. But most people don't vote.

Even last time Obama won only 135 million votes.

[1StrongBlackMan]

59. True ... But I don't see how that is relevant in a discussion of politically engaged voters ...

threatening not to vote because their preferred candidate lost (is losing) in the primary.

[runaway hero]

62. Thing is, saying not voting = Trump

Is alienation, because in reality Hillary won't need half of Bernie's supporters. They are a nice to have. And party unity is better then nothing, at least to me.

[1StrongBlackMan]

65. Oh ... I completely agree.

[Bluenorthwest]

18. I don't know anyone who won't vote. Of course in any given election, sadly, the majortity of

eligible voters simply do not vote, you are a NYC resident where turnout among eligible Democrats in the recent election was 12% on average among the precincts. So those people are not threatening, they are just not voting, and they are always among us and particularly among those of you in NY.

Silence is consent and 71% of your State is silent in any given election. If you actually cared about that it would be super, because you have some skills and contacts and you could really get some people registered and some election culture changed. But that's a big old if.

[SheenaR]

22. You do a very good job of creating enemies and alienating your opponents

A simple search of your posts and comments is plenty evidence.

Please also show me the stats you have on demographic breakdown of people threatening not to vote.

[JaneyVee]

25. Me? Im the one standing with our allies 110%.

[byyiminy]

28. You stand with 1% and the corporatism they worship on.

That's what I'm seeing from you. No thank you.

[Squinch]

70. You're not seeing the irony of your post being in this thread, are you?

[SheenaR]

30. lol

k..

And it's also funny that you try to be included as a "millenial" at 35. Yes, some places include that age. You aren't a millenial. You had Atari, rotary phones, dial up internet, etc. You aren't a millenial.

[nolawarlock]

49. What does that have to do with anything?

You sound like one of those "never trust anyone over thirty" crowd from the 60's.

[snowy owl]

91. "threatening?" - I thought one's vote was their choice

[Katashi_itto]

109. Judging from your track record you could have fooled me.

[Lizzie Poppet]

12. Fuck their bullshit triangulation.

I'm a white female, too. I'm a feminist, a progressive (a socialist, in fact), and a dedicated supporter of civil rights for all. I wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton with a fucking gun to my head.

Some Clintonista wants to accuse me any of the things you list because of the latter, then fuck 'em. They do it here, they get Ignored. In person, well...I hope they brought a tissue, 'coz they may well have spit running down their face. They are my enemy, and that has nothing to do with their (shitty) choice of candidate.

[nolawarlock]

50. Why are you so filled with rage?

All this stuff about this one and that one being your enemy? Every post I see from you sounds so angry. It's an election, not a nuclear war. I don't think I've ever seen anyone this upset over a (clear) loss in my life.

[senz]

100. No, it's disgust.

And don't get too confident. Things could happen.

If there's any justice left in this country, they will.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. It's just a different way of singing "Red, Hippie, Treehugger, and troublemaker."

Same crap, different words.

[Mesee]

15. New meme, Hillary Clinton

I agree with you 100%. My family, friends and community support Bernie Sanders. Several are talking about voting for the Green Party. I have always been a Democrat and never voted against my Party. When they decided to turn their back and not support Al Gore I da id enough os enough. I drove from Queens, NY to Philadelphia, PA. to see John Kerry and Bill Clinton in October 2004. The media reported over 100,000 people were in Love Park. They said nothing when the voting machines flipped for George W. Bush. You tell me a county in Ohio with 600 resident brought in 2 million votes. In 2008 Hillary won Harlem and East New York with 100% of the votes. Obama received zero votes. Really, these two neighbors are close to 100% Black. Why would they not vote for the first Black President. Today, in NYS last week's primary was not certified. The Attorney General is investigating election fraud. Whether Democrat or Republican, no one trust that our votes count anymore. Clinton's people paid operatives 1 million dollars to surf the internet to bad rap Bernie supporters. Now they are calling people in Indiana and telling people he is no longer running. In Philadelphia hos name was not on the ballot. Bernie was 100% right. If Hillary wants Bernie people SHE has to earn it. He is a very decent man who I have been listening to for ten years. THE REAL STUFF. MY HERO.

[arikara]

24. And now you know why the establishment

never went to bat for Gore. It was so they could use all those dirty tricks themselves when they needed to.

[dsc]

45. can you name the county in Ohio that has only 600 residents

and recorded 2 million votes. I grew up in Ohio and have no idea what county you might be talking about. I also would like a link for your contention about 2008 in Harlem.

[Mesee]

73. Can you name the county

Iin 2094 CNN posted the counties and the votes coming in from each district. They said the population had 600 residents with 2 million votes. The man who was going to testify in front of Congress of how he channelled the numbers to North Carolina to bring the results in for a Bush win died in a plane crash the day before. He stated before his death that he was employed by Carl Rove. In 2008 Mayor Bloomberg went on television and reported the results in NYC. On local news we get information that National doesn't report.

[dsc]

75. so you have no evidence at all

nice to know.

[truedelphi]

78. Exactly what you say, I fully agree, and welcome to DU! n/t

[BernieforPres2016]

16. They're doing you a favor

You might be tempted to try to forget what a horrible candidate Hillary Clinton is and to hold your nose and vote for her. Worse yet, maybe even do some work for her campaign. But these people are reminding you of what Hillary and her campaign represent and what kind of supporters they attract.

[Unicorn]

19. +1

[bbgrunt]

85. +2

[felix_numinous]

21. Blame and shame are powerful propaganda tools

for gaining control. Not respect or consent. Why would a candidate feel so CONFIDENT accusing the left of racism (we're not perfect but we are the least racist demographic) while Trump is wooing the Nazis, and Cruz the theocrats on the right? Who exactly does she expect to vote for her? People on all sides will not vote for someone this vicious and insulting, and forget all the Independents.

[Raissa]

23. White privilege

Is inherent in being white. In that aspect your support of a candidate is irrelevant.

White privilege is brought into the discussion simply because as white people we are inherently safer in making certain decisions as they are less likely to negatively impact us.

I'm just trying to help explain what it is - not hit anyone with negative labels. It doesn't mean you are wealthy or not struggling.

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. I don't think that will penetrate ...

It has been said (seemingly) 1,000,000 times, before.

But, thanks for trying.

[MisterP]

64. funny how Clinton is never seen to have it even when BLM is directly protesting her

[Raissa]

69. Of course she does.

She is white.

[Sheepshank]

27. Never heard this meme...are you starting one up? n/t

[SheenaR]

41. GD-P much?

[HooptieWagon]

34. It's just RW authoritarian bullying tactics.

It's causing Sanders supporters to just dig in their heels further...the BoB movement is picking up steam, and more people are considering voting Green. Hillary has poor judgement when it comes to anticipating the consequences of her actions.

[Katashi_itto]

110. Bingo... Clintonistas seem to think they are entitled to demand our votes

[joshcryer]

37. Someone with a degree lecturing about their lack of privilege.

[frylock]

42. Brava!

[frylock]

61. Interesting turn of events.

[joshcryer]

43. I know not voting will screw me and mine.

If you don't know that, if you won't feel it, if you can drop these canards and actually follow through? Then I'm at a loss.

[Lazy Daisy]

79. Not our fault

the Democratic Party is looking like they'll be nominating a candidate with such high unfavorables.

[senz]

98. Run a dud, get a loss. Live with it.

[MissDeeds]

112. +1000

[basselope]

115. im not voting for a republican

so i wont be voting for hillary

[dsc]

46. did you go to a state college?

if so, you most certainly didn't pay for that degree by yourself.

[Zorra]

38. Even non-white women who don't support Clinton are sexist racists.

The fact is, if you don't support Hillary Clinton, you are an anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim racist sexist pig. And a raging homophobe/transphobe as well. I know, cuz David Brock's army of trolls told me so on the internet.

It's just simple Third Way Logic:

Even if you are a half African American, half Jewish transgender woman who conforms to Islam, and you don't support Hillary Clinton, you are a filthy racist, sexist et cetera, who is oozing white privilege out of every pore.

However, if you are a good 'ol wealthy white boy lifetime member of the North Carolina Klan Southern Baptist Bathroom Brigade Faithful Follower of Brother John Birch who beats his wife, have a rebel flag on the wall of your garage and you support Hillary Clinton for God, Wall St. and neoliberal values, you're immediately an integral and beloved vital part of Team Hillary.

Most especially if you're filthy rich, and give the Clinton campaign lots of cash.

Don't you get it?1!11?)

[me b zola]

74. ^^THIS^^

...And it is all so fucking intellectually dishonest. They spew these lies and smears and have no thought at all to what they are doing to the real cause of racism & sexism. Just filthy what they are doing.

[djean111]

39. This - "It's just RW authoritarian bullying tactics." Yep.

It was tried on me today. Does not work, only increases my disgust.

In any event, can't get past Hillary being happily on board for war and fracking and the TPP and cluster bombs. And other hateful things. My gender and race are irrelevant, and people who try to guilt trip me into supporting a Third Way Hawk are delusional at best.

[highprincipleswork]

44. Some people just like slinging the shit around. More's the pity.

[Waiting For Everyman]

47. We all know their memes are manipulative bullshit.

Just cut the marionette strings so that they don't get the reaction they're looking for, that really confuses them.

I think of it much the same way as I do ugly wallpaper. Yucky stuff in the background, but not worth the effort to focus on.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

52. So it is about you, that is what I thought.

[wendylaroux]

53. don't people usually do what is good for them?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

55. Liberals do what is best for others, for all.

[wendylaroux]

58. H does not fall in that category.

[Kall]

104. Unless pushing to overthrow governments in Iraq or Libya, I guess.

[onecaliberal]

60. I don't know why I'm surprised with their use of republican talking points, but I am.

I have no fucks to give about their whiny little tantrums. They have no one to blame but themselves and their worst every candidate to blame.

[betsuni]

63. What meme? Was there an article? Can somebody tell me what this is about?

[betsuni]

71. Oh, never mind. Same old angrily boiling pot of Cream of Victim Stew.

[dem in texas]

66. I am sick of seeing postings like this.

People who post silly statements like these are not informed and don't get the big picture. I am a 76 year old white woman who has always voted Democrat. I was thrilled when Obama ran and voted for him both times. I find it hard to forgive Hillary for voting to go into Iraq, but as much as I like Bernie, I don't think he can win, so I am voted for Hillary in the Texas primary and will vote for her in Nov.

You cannot paint people into boxes by what you think they believe, by doing this this you are showing yourself to be as narrow minded as your claim other people are..

DU - you were wrong to leave this posting up!

[seabeyond]

67. Old meme from Sanders camp. If for Clinton you corporalist, tool, enjoy killing women and babies

1%'er.

Ya. Lets not do that.

[NCTraveler]

72. Now that's a statement. Nt

[BootinUp]

76. Without looking at a specific post or posts that you object to, your OP rings quite hollow nt

[truedelphi]

77. Her husband did his best to stop med marijuana so that people lived in pain and

With wasting disease.

Both Clintons are bought and paid for by Big Pharma industry.

[procon]

80. Well, your rant sure went south in a hurry.

May you have other things to think about besides getting so 'pissed off' by banal comments from strangers you read on the Intertubes, yeah? I mean, seriously, at least no one is saying FY to shut you up.

[Lazy Daisy]

81. I tried to get a straight answer this afternoon

and all I got was nothing of substance.

A candidate who has a LONG list of negatives is being pushed upon me and if I don't conform I'm privileged. Really?

[whatchamacallit]

82. Funny, because she's closer to a racist or sexist than any Bernie supporters I know.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

86. aww. nt

[PufPuf23]

87. Hillary Clinton and neo-liberal insiders have made liberals that do not support her enemies and

many of the strongest Clinton supporters have followed in kind.

This set of tactics <the demonizing, the mocking, the falsely attributing, the diminishing> is part of a strategy to demonize liberals, excuse not acknowledging liberal input, and having liberals leave the Democratic Party to a neo-liberal fate.

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. Oh that is inclusive to any who does not

It is well ..... Where to start?

[SCantiGOP]

89. Read the OP twice

Didn't mKe sense either time

[Starry Messenger]

93. Any person who claims to be left but lets Trump win by not voting for the candidate

who is running against him is a fake piece of shit. No one like that is on my side.

[Rass]

102. Talk is cheap, Action counts

Hillary is a right-winger. Why do you expect real progressives to vote for her?

[Starry Messenger]

108. Did I stutter?

[senz]

97. That nasty meme is a David Brock creation to keep Hill's PoC support.

Because even though she doesn't care about them, she couldn't win without them.

That's ALL it is.

[Rass]

99. This chart says it all

Hillary is a right-winger posing as a progressive. Expect nothing less than Rovian tactics. That's what they do.

[northernsouthern]

101. Three things...

1. It is not new, it was basically the entire HRC platform from December on.

2. Muslims support Bernie no Hillary, because they fear Hillary's military stance will cause more death in the middle east.

2. Hillary started the racist attacks against Obama that plagued his entire career and gave rise to Trump, and she has also started attacks on Bernie not being a real Jew, so in both campaigns she has singled out the minority status of her opponent and used racism to attack them.

Half of my family is black, most of my friends are also mixed or in mixed relationships. None of them support Hillary. The only Hillary supporters I have meet up here have been older richer white women, but nation wide it is older and richer that make up her core demographic. Some groups support her more than others, but age and pay are the biggest factor (also maybe read something income security). One of the more interesting things is that nationally men are more like 50/50 in supporting a white woman, but women are like 60/40 in supporting a Jewish male...these sex and race-baiters should look in the mirror.

[RandySF]

105. Meditation works wonders

[jfern]

106. Idiotic identity politics is all the Hillary campaign has to offer

They never talk about the issues because they suck on them, so they just go around claiming everyone who doesn't support them is a sexist and racist white male. Hillary deserves to go down in flames for being such a terrible candidate.

[AgingAmerican]

107. Hillary supporters are to GOTV what garlic is to vampires

[CorkySt.Clair]

111. What a whiny OP.

Might want to look into that.

[Sunlei]

114. a solution to a lot of frustrations about income inequity is to try to never make skin color part of

the debate.

[Demsrule86]

116. You can think what you like

However, if you don't support the Democratic nominee...and we get Trump...kiss the courts goodbye, woman's right to choose, Medicaid, medicare, social security, Obamacare, fair elections, embrace concentration camps for Muslims and undocumented folks,gays and trans jailed possibly killed, embrace a Christian theocracy shoved down our throats by the courts...these are the things at stake. So people look at those who say they are progressive and support Bernie but appear willing to allow such things to happen and try to figure out how and why these people could do it. The Republicans would have all three branches of government...oh and sure in 20 or 30 years when enough justices were gone...maybe we could do something...but unlikely. You want a revolution...keep the GOP out. And if you are OK with Trump being elected regardless of your personal feeling, I don't see how you can call yourself liberal or progressive.