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Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:27 PM Apr 2016

Clinton Camp says She's Been Forced to the Left Enough Already

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/04/29/clinton-camp-says-shes-been-forced-left-enough-already

Clinton ally tells The Hill, "I don't know what's left to extract."

Fresh after Bernie Sanders' call for a "a fifty-state strategy... to plant the flag of progressive politics" nationwide, new reporting on Friday suggests that Hillary Clinton's campaign won't be budged any further to the left.

After Clinton claimed more victories in Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, and Pennsylvania this week, Sanders said, "we are in this race until the last vote is cast," adding that his campaign would head "to the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia with as many delegates as possible to fight for a progressive party platform."

Steps forward on issues that would constitute such a platform can already be seen in the race, observers say. As Max Ehrenfreund writes at Washington Post's Wonkblog Friday,

In the course of fending off Sanders's challenge, Clinton appears to have conceded to him on a couple of major economic policy issues. The former U.S. senator and secretary of state has abandoned the centrist positions she previously held on trade and Social Security and taken stances closer to Sanders's views.

That's not all that surprising, given factors apart from Sanders, Ehrenfreund writes. He points to data from Pew Research Center showing Americans' attitudes on various issues including race, poverty, regulation, and foreign policy are becoming more progressive. And there's also the influence of politicians like Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) in areas like Social Security, he notes.

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Here's a Problem.
Will this become a non-starter at the Convention?
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Clinton Camp says She's Been Forced to the Left Enough Already (Original Post) Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 OP
Don't like being on the left, Clinton? byyiminy Apr 2016 #1
+1,000,000 dchill Apr 2016 #53
LOL....!!! I wonder if we will make it to Greece's stature by the 2nd or 3rd year of her Admin. Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #2
Agreed. I fully expect it with the corporate looting her sponsers will be doing to us. Unicorn Apr 2016 #19
Then she won't get votes from the left... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #3
+1. Unicorn Apr 2016 #21
+2 840high Apr 2016 #33
+3 Raine Apr 2016 #39
+4 Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #47
+5 VulgarPoet May 2016 #61
Please don't presume to speak for "the left." Sparkly May 2016 #67
Yes, quite a track record. HooptieWagon May 2016 #69
Minorities and women are not stupid. Sparkly May 2016 #71
Shes on the record. HooptieWagon May 2016 #73
Precisely. Sparkly May 2016 #74
+6 farleftlib May 2016 #68
Wow, just wow jfern Apr 2016 #4
How much you willing to pay? Gwhittey Apr 2016 #6
I also don't have 225k to donate to her :/ VulgarPoet May 2016 #62
It's not just about what we the people support, if contrary to her donors' interests. That's the JudyM Apr 2016 #13
I don't trust her on Social Security. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #36
Ah, another unnamed source. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #5
Careful. If Bernie takes the pressure off she'll sproing across the room and bump her head GoneFishin Apr 2016 #7
... the right-wing wall.... John Poet Apr 2016 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author potisok Apr 2016 #8
I don't see anyone from "Camp Clinton" quoted in the story. pampango Apr 2016 #9
She won't stay to the left anyhow... tokenlib Apr 2016 #10
Clearly Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #12
She is still to the right of Goldwater. Downwinder Apr 2016 #11
Nah, she hasn't claimed that she's explicitly against poc. VulgarPoet May 2016 #63
Goldwater's Republican Party Platform of 1964 Downwinder May 2016 #72
wow! well that settles that. mooseprime Apr 2016 #14
She is who she is. Apparently the voters like her just the way she is. Look at her vote count ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #15
More people do want Bernie Skink Apr 2016 #16
They should have voted, shouldn't they? NurseJackie Apr 2016 #17
I rest my case Skink Apr 2016 #18
Voting is a responsibility. I guess they weren't "thinking ahead". NurseJackie Apr 2016 #22
You need the opportunity to vote...n/t tokenlib Apr 2016 #26
More support of Republican voter disenfranchiement. Great. chascarrillo Apr 2016 #30
It's not that people aren't voting Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #42
I understand that through their pride and vanity they choose to "send a message" ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #43
Lame redirect - Independants are not the main subject of either video Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #45
Ha! You put a dollar sign in "MSM". NurseJackie Apr 2016 #46
She is who she is. chwaliszewski May 2016 #57
LOL, always entertaining. nt Logical May 2016 #70
This is exactly the fucking problem. This is why I'm not voting fo her. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #20
It is the problem. Punkingal Apr 2016 #23
She's a republican, period. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #24
Bang - Exactly correct Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #44
Great articulation of reality in the "party". onecaliberal Apr 2016 #48
Whether this report is true or not BootinUp Apr 2016 #25
No surprise here. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #27
Better than the usual sneers and lies. djean111 Apr 2016 #28
she NEEDS to see the daily show's LEARNING CURVES ARE FOR PUSSIES. pansypoo53219 Apr 2016 #29
She is a right leaning centrist. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #31
Most of the people I see eilen Apr 2016 #32
Here's a fun game... Fairgo Apr 2016 #34
Whats left? A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS FAVOR MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #35
Forced? Kalidurga Apr 2016 #38
Her swing back to the right after the convention is going to be monumental. Kentonio Apr 2016 #40
It's the only place she can seek votes. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #49
Except the Republican voters can't stand her either. She can't go looking for votes there. w4rma Apr 2016 #54
Not gonna work. jeff47 Apr 2016 #56
She was never a Democrat to start with coyote Apr 2016 #41
Here's my problem with her Bettie Apr 2016 #50
poor thing, being pushed to where she is supposed to be!! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #51
Another variation of "Watch your tone?" dchill Apr 2016 #52
I guess we'll have to turn up the heat and hold her feet to the fire. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #55
But will she listen, and what do we do if she doesn't? GreenPartyVoter May 2016 #59
If she is the nominee... Trumpster will run to her left AzDar May 2016 #58
Yeah it sucks having to pretend to be a Democrat doesn't it? n/t leeroysphitz May 2016 #60
expecially for a republican huh? Ferd Berfel May 2016 #64
The operative word is forced. Meaning she does not want to jwirr May 2016 #65
Exactly the word! Ferd Berfel May 2016 #66
 

byyiminy

(39 posts)
1. Don't like being on the left, Clinton?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:28 PM
Apr 2016

There's always another party for you to form. Call it by its true name: The Third Way.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
2. LOL....!!! I wonder if we will make it to Greece's stature by the 2nd or 3rd year of her Admin.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:30 PM
Apr 2016

VOTE HILLARY!

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
3. Then she won't get votes from the left...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:30 PM
Apr 2016

...which includes a large number of Independants. Camp Weathervane may find themselves well short of votes they took for granted.

Sparkly

(24,141 posts)
67. Please don't presume to speak for "the left."
Wed May 4, 2016, 07:31 PM
May 2016

We go through this every election.

Plenty of us on "the left" voted for "DINO" candidates Gore and Kerry, as well as Clark, Dean, Clinton and Obama (although he was seen as sufficiently "left" somehow).

Considering the reality of Congress and platforms, Sanders and Clinton really are not far apart in what they are saying. She goes further and has a clear, consistent track record supporting women, children, minorities, healthcare, and people who suffer worldwide.

Supporting Sanders doesn't = "left."
Supporting Clinton doesn't = "not left."

Let's retire that high horse some like to get on about how "Left" they are. Please.

Maybe new terms would apply, like "Possibilities for the cause" vs."Weighing down the cause." Or "Reality" vs. "More Republicans." Or "Women and Minorities" vs. "White Suburbanites."

Let's just not even go there.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
69. Yes, quite a track record.
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:26 PM
May 2016

Minorities- supporting heavy prison sentences for minor drug offenses...targeting minority communities. Increased profits for private prisons. Slashing welfare.
Children - says Hounduran refugee children should be sent back into a civil war zone, to teach their parents a lesson. Supports use of cluster bombs on civilians, which are particularly dangerous to children.
Woman - last fall she said she might compromise on choice in some circumstances.
Healthcare - she's against single payer, supports existing ACA, no plan to rein in costs...status quo.
People who suffer worldwide - have to ask people in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Honduras, and Ukraine how much they've suffered due to Clintons neo-con foreign policy. She plans to add Iran...where else? Likes war, it's the civilians who suffer most.

Sparkly

(24,141 posts)
71. Minorities and women are not stupid.
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:39 PM
May 2016

With all due respect, you have your facts wrong about what she supports and what she said.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
68. +6
Wed May 4, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

She's not fooling anybody anyway. She's campaigning to the left but like
her hubby, she'll make a sharp rightward turn should she get into office.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
4. Wow, just wow
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:30 PM
Apr 2016

How about not supporting a no fly zone where Russian planes are flying?
How about supporting the 21st century Glass Steagall bill that even the 2008 Republican Presidential nominee supports?
How about not opposing single payer, which a majority of Americans support?

Those are all very mainstream positions, but she chose the right-wing position in all 3. And I'm sure there are plenty of others.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
6. How much you willing to pay?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:32 PM
Apr 2016

IT not like she will not support those things. You just have not paid her enough yet.

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
13. It's not just about what we the people support, if contrary to her donors' interests. That's the
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:42 PM
Apr 2016

whole point!

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
36. I don't trust her on Social Security.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:04 PM
Apr 2016

DLC/Third Way has been all too eager to put it on the bargaining table.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
7. Careful. If Bernie takes the pressure off she'll sproing across the room and bump her head
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:32 PM
Apr 2016

against the wall.

Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

pampango

(24,692 posts)
9. I don't see anyone from "Camp Clinton" quoted in the story.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:36 PM
Apr 2016
But Amie Parnes writes at The Hill, "Clinton supporters argue the former secretary of State has already been forced to the left by Sanders, and can't risk moving further ahead of a general election."

And while political talk show host Bill Press told The Hill that it would be the wrong move for Clinton to "move back to the center," Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), told the political website that her campaign couldn't make any more leftward concessions, saying, "I don't know what's left to extract."

Cleaver added that "[Sanders has] already impacted this election probably more than anyone else including Donald Trump," and then suggested it was time for Sanders to help gather support for his rival.

Parnes also cites an anonymous Clinton ally who said, "We can't do it," regarding meeting some of Sanders' policy demands.
There are quotes from a writer for The Hill, a political talk show host, a Democratic congressman and "an anonymous Clinton ally."

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
10. She won't stay to the left anyhow...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:36 PM
Apr 2016

With friends like Pete Peterson and the Third Way, Hillary's words about Social Security cannot be trusted.



Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
12. Clearly
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:41 PM
Apr 2016

she can't be trusted. IF she's the NOm (and hasn't been indicted yet) once teh Convention is over, she will take a huge leap to teh Reich.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
63. Nah, she hasn't claimed that she's explicitly against poc.
Wed May 4, 2016, 07:46 AM
May 2016

At least, not in the past roughly two decades?

mooseprime

(474 posts)
14. wow! well that settles that.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:42 PM
Apr 2016

the campaign has finally achieved the impossible: it's become a vulgar caricature of itself.

at least we won't have to waste any more time pretending to discuss it.

sanders: you billionaires can't have it all!
clinton: you billionaires can have everything you want!

and to simplify the rest, they've made it completely clear what we're never going to talk about:

--iraq (now covered with depleted uranium! birth defects galore!)
--haiti
--honduras
--syria
--cluster bombs in civilian areas
--arms sales for foundation donations
--secrecy and circumvention of law
--enemy lists
--suppression of organized labor
--the middle class as a host organism to financial, medical, pharmaceutical sectors

mmmm--smell the freedom!!!!

i'm not sure why we have two parties, though. make they can make more that way.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. She is who she is. Apparently the voters like her just the way she is. Look at her vote count ...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:47 PM
Apr 2016

... and delegate count, and all those media endorsements, and Senate endorsements, and US Rep endorsements, and labor union endorsements. She's doing just fine.

If more people wanted Bernie, then Bernie would have more votes. Why try to convert her into Bernie? I know that's what Bernie supporters would like, but it makes no sense to me (and to all those who've voted for her and endorsed her OVER Bernie.)

They're right... she's left-enough already.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
42. It's not that people aren't voting
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

or trying to vote. You may or may not understand that.

Arrogance, willful ignorance and utter disdain for the democratic process are killing all of us. But that's the MO of the RW.


New Proof The NY Primary Was RIGGED! [Truth & Comedy]

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
43. I understand that through their pride and vanity they choose to "send a message" ...
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:57 AM
Apr 2016

... by proclaiming themselves to be "Independents" on their voter registration, then when they actually have a chance to participate, they realize too late that their own short-sighted mistake prevents them from so doing. But rather than accept responsibility and learn from it, they blame others and scream bloody murder about being "disenfranchised".

It's a vicious cycle of self-fulfilling, self-inflicted isolation, perpetual victimhood and conspiracy theories that will forever relegate those voters (and their causes) to the fringe.

Time for a little introspective self reflection, making better choices, a little humility, better candidates, reasonable messages with better appeal, less paranoia, a better perspective, more pragmatism, a willingness to compromise and abandon the all-or-nothing strategy.

But that's the MO of the RW.

Charming. Things like this (and the Russia Today video) are why y'all keep losing.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
45. Lame redirect - Independants are not the main subject of either video
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:05 AM
Apr 2016

The RT segments are by Americans who are not allowed to say these things on M$M

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
46. Ha! You put a dollar sign in "MSM".
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:11 AM
Apr 2016


I'm sure that Russia Today is a non-profit org, right? No agenda at all...

RT, originally Russia Today, is a Russian government-funded television network that runs cable and satellite television channels directed to audiences outside of Russia as well as providing Internet content in various languages, including Russian.

chwaliszewski

(1,514 posts)
57. She is who she is.
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:00 AM
May 2016

That means the Hillary supporters know her positions and agree with or are tolerant of them whether it be war mongering, TPP, etc.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
44. Bang - Exactly correct
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:58 AM
Apr 2016

If you listen to Hartmann you will have heard his say over and over again that you need to get involved. That you need to join your local Democratic party to get inside to change the party because that's what the Tea Baggers did on the right to the republicans.

It should be obvious that this is exactly what the disenfranchised republicans have done to the Democratic Party. Beginning with the DLC sale of the Party to Koch Bros (and others) in '85 by the Clinton's (and others) - a few months before Hillary was appointed to the board of Wall Mart.

Our tent has been too damn big. A life long republican can switch and say "well I'm a democrat now', the party says great and moves on. But no one questions: Did this republican all of a sudden renounce their previous life long held belief that a woman does not have the right to choose, had an Epiphany, and magically is just fine with choice now? That republican has supported privatizing Social Security and ending Medicare all their life (or career), but they're magically now a democrat... who STILL is working towards killing both, and did they renounce the neo-liberal ideology of Cheney, Bush, Rove, or did they brin that along with them also...and so on and so on.... This is how the Democratic Party of the Working Class and Middle Class has become a caricature of it's former self and morphed into the democrat party or Neo-Dems

I've been having the exact same arguments here, with Clinton Supporters that I have in my private life with my Republican friends and acquaintances. The same damned arguments with people claiming to be democrats. It's a step through the "looking glass".

onecaliberal

(32,471 posts)
48. Great articulation of reality in the "party".
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

It's sad, I've been a dem Voting straight ticket my entire life, after June 7th, I will change my registration, probably for good. To say I'm disgusted is a vast understatement. I don't know what it's going to take to wake people up. My WWII veteran father is surely rolling in his grave. I'm happy he isn't alive to see what has become of this country.

BootinUp

(46,924 posts)
25. Whether this report is true or not
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:13 PM
Apr 2016

I would rather have Hillary determine a winning national campaign's strategy/policies than Bernie.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
28. Better than the usual sneers and lies.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:19 PM
Apr 2016

No, I will not support a Republican Third Way hawk dressed in Democratic clothing.

Final answer.

eilen

(4,950 posts)
32. Most of the people I see
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:45 PM
Apr 2016

day to day.. ie. my coworkers... don't want to vote for her. They say they don't trust her. They don't like Trump either. I think they are just not going to vote. Basically, unless Bernie is on the ticket, they don't like anyone else. A few of them were not registered Democrats so they could not vote for Bernie. They missed the October deadline because they were not really paying attention to the primary back then. There are a couple of Trump supporters but I think everyone has at least one in their workplace.

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
34. Here's a fun game...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:33 PM
Apr 2016

aggregate the huge corporate contributions into one pile. Now, ask your self, what is the rate of return that these gangsters expect for this investment. Think loan shark models. Now do the math. Now subtract that number from our working capital...every year, for 8 years. Now, subtract about 60% of today's budget from that amount for the military adventures we will need to fund...every year for eternity. Then go buy a pizza for your friends with the money you have left. I'm sure they will pitch in for the difference.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
35. Whats left? A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS FAVOR MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:37 PM
Apr 2016

And a very solid majority of millennials.

The idea that she couldn't possibly display any more leadership on that issue than she already has is laughable.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
38. Forced?
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:09 AM
Apr 2016

Moving to the left is not done by force it's done by introspection and critical thinking about what you see, hear, and read.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
49. It's the only place she can seek votes.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

She's burned her bridges to the left, and even the few lefties hanging on are becoming more and more disgusted with her. The RW is the logical place to seek votes, as their positions closer align and she hasn't pissed them off yet.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
54. Except the Republican voters can't stand her either. She can't go looking for votes there.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:43 PM
Apr 2016

That won't stop our Margaret Thatcher from trying, though.

Noone trusts her outside of the Democratic base, ignoring Democratic independents, that are voting for her in the Democratic primaries.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
56. Not gonna work.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:31 PM
Apr 2016

Republican-leaning independents will vote for Satan before they vote for Clinton.

Her only hope in November is enough Republican-leaning independents stay home. Problem is, her name on the ballot is a fantastic tool to drive turnout among Republican-leaning independents to vote against her.

Bettie

(15,995 posts)
50. Here's my problem with her
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

Being "forced" to the Left does not indicate any sort of commitment to any principles that are important to those on the Left.

Also, being "forced" indicates that she'll snap back to the Right the second she feels like it.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
51. poor thing, being pushed to where she is supposed to be!!
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

She is who she is and no matter what she says, she is a repub

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
55. I guess we'll have to turn up the heat and hold her feet to the fire.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:46 PM
Apr 2016

Like another president asked us to do.

Which is the responsibility of the people in a democracy.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
58. If she is the nominee... Trumpster will run to her left
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:55 AM
May 2016

On quite a few issues (FP/Trade, come to mind immediately) and we will LOSE. BIG.

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