Hillary fans, what day is this going to be "over"? I hear it daily yet it is still going on....

[Logical]

Every damn primary vote I hear it.

Yet it is not over!

Carry on!

[MFM008]

1. yeah it kind of is

Unless Sanders wants a serious roll in setting the agenda at the convention, then its not.

[JonLeibowitz]

3. Nate Silver: "Bernie Sanders Could Win Iowa And New Hampshire. Then Lose Everywhere Else."

https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-could-win-iowa-and-new-hampshire-then-lose-everywhere-else/

[Renew Deal]

4. It's been "over" since last October or November

Effectively over.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/27/opinion/the-cult-of-sore-losers.html

[Logical]

5. Yet Bernie is still winning states from Mrs. Perfect!

[Renew Deal]

7. And yet still losing

Have fun in Rhode Island and Oregon

[Logical]

9. Ms inevitable is once again doing terrible closing the deal like in 2008

[Renew Deal]

11. Like winning 5 out of the last 6?

Have fun in Oregon. That's if the Supers don't put her at 2348 by then. She's only 226 delegates away. Bernie needs another 973.

[Demsrule86]

61. Not at all

She is winning and has an insurmountable lead in delegates; Bernie simply can not accept his loss. When it became apparent that Hillary had lost in 08, she conceded way before the convention and worked hard to elect Pres. Obama. I have no idea why Bernie is not preparing to do the same...the idea of going to the convention is foolish. He will lose on the first ballot and never be forgiven by Democrats who control what he gets or does not get in the Senate.

[Adrahil]

53. Delegates matter, not states.

And she has a HUGE delegate lead. She took control on Super Tuesday and never gave it up.

[BootinUp]

6. If the question is when will Bernie admit he can't win, that has already happened.

If it is when Hillary will claim victory, that will be when her combined pledged and unpledged count reaches 2384. Which will definitely be by early June.

If the question is when will Bernie officially concede, you are asking the wrong people.

[RobertEarl]

8. She owns no supers

They are thinking hard about dropping her and going Bernie.

[BootinUp]

10. I guess you can believe what you want to. nt

[RobertEarl]

12. Now you're using your head!

Good for you.

Most supers made up their minds before the 1st vote was cast.

Before Bernie was even in the race many backed H. That's not fair, or democratic or wise. Many of the supers are reconsidering their previous commitments. We should help them see the wisdom in voting for Bernie. That is all.

[Renew Deal]

17. Name 1

[moriah]

22. I have no doubt that, should Bernie pull off a mathematical near-miracle...

... and get a majority of pledged delegates by the final primaries, that the Superdelegates will follow the pledged delegates.

Going forward, though, I expect Hillary will be changing her focus, as she already has, to Trump and the GOP. Bernie will likely back off of some of the more personal criticism but stay on message about the things he feels must be part of the platform, which will likely increase his results by itself (everyone loves both a positive campaign and the encouragement that every vote, every voice matters).

[BreakfastClub]

23. It's extremely unlikely, probably impossible, to get sd's to change to Bernie.

For one, Hillary has millions of more votes than Bernie. Secondly, she is far ahead in pledged delegates. Third, she is a democrat who has strong ties to the party. Bernie doesn't and wasn't even a democrat until recently. It's a joke to think they would switch to him, considering these facts. They would be fools to do so, and I doubt you'll find many supers who are fools. That is all.

[Demsrule86]

62. You could say the same thing

about the 08 race, but Obama won. Bernie simply did not get enough people to vote for him.

[Renew Deal]

13. This might help

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/27/opinion/the-cult-of-sore-losers.html

[oasis]

14. Care to name a couple who are "thinking hard about dropping her"?

[Lil Missy]

15. No they aren't. You made that up. n/t

[RobertEarl]

18. Bernie thinks they are

Good enough for me.

I think Bernie is a whole lot smarter than many here think. I get some here give him no credit, but he has shown, time and again, to be the smartest one running.

Bernie thinks many supers will get smart. Who am I to argue?

[COLGATE4]

60. Now THAT's the kind of voter we need. One who

doesn't think for himself, but rather relies on hero worship - "if Bernie thinks... it's good enough for me".

[Demsrule86]

58. No way

They will not vote to overturn the will of the voters.

[COLGATE4]

59. In your dreams. nt

[msongs]

16. bernie should stay in the race. his jobs program is making cutbacks like a good corporate CEO would

[Thinkingabout]

19. Hillary is three million votes ahead, only needs 215 delegates to the required delegates, guess she

needs more votes and more delegates.

[CobaltBlue]

20. Raw Votes Are Not the Best Indicator

The raw-vote margin isn’t an across-the-board reflection of what has played out. Caucus states don’t turn out individual voters as is the case with primary states. This has to do with the individual states, their funding, and their more recent history of turnout numbers from one election cycle to the next. I suggest focusing on the percentage-points margin nationally. I haven’t looked…but I suspect Clinton at 52/53 percent over Sanders at 46/47 percent—a percentage-points margin of Clinton +05/+06/+07. (My guess.)

[Thinkingabout]

24. She still has them, and her state won is higher and most importantly, delegates.

[moriah]

21. When this subforum closes, as far as DU is concerned.

Whenever that is.

As for the race, the last time we really had a primary, by now we had far more pledged delegates already voted.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/obama-memo-to-superdelegates/?_r=0

That's the letter Obama sent to Superdelegates seven years, 11 months, and 3 or so weeks ago.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/clinton_letter_to_superdelegat.html

This was Hillary's letter to them, before the final primaries.

It was over and conceded in June (edit: after the final primaries). So I expect nothing different this time, particularly given we have many more people who have yet to vote than we had this time in 2008.

[stone space]

32. That Obama letter spells out my thoughts pretty well on the so-called "popular vote".

Except that I'd add the fact that the "popular vote" is simply made up for some states, like Iowa, where no such number even gets released, making any claimed statistic for the "Iowa popular vote" a fabricated number.

However, the popular vote is a deeply flawed and illegitimate metric for deciding the nominee – since each campaign based their strategy on the acquisition of delegates. More importantly, the rules of the nomination are predicated on delegates, not popular vote.

Just as the Presidential election in November will be decided by the electoral college, not popular vote, the Democratic nomination is decided by delegates.

If we believed the popular vote was somehow the key measurement, we would have campaigned much more intensively in our home state of Illinois and in all the other populous states, in the pursuit of larger raw vote totals. But it is not the key measurement.

We played by the rules, set by you, the D.N.C. members, and campaigned as hard as we could, in as many places as we could, to acquire delegates. Essentially, the popular vote is not much better as a metric than basing the nominee on which candidate raised more money, has more volunteers, contacted more voters, or is taller.

[moriah]

35. Either way, I still, even as a Hillary supporter, support the right...

... of all states, and all dedicated supporters, to take full part in our Primary system.

Even if the math looks bad. I sincerely hope that turnout from Bernie supporters in these final primaries is NOT suppressed. Every Democrat candidate's message does mean something. Even Hillary's in 2008, that experience was an important attribute -- Obama listened to the voters who expressed that by voting Hillary, and chose an awesome VP as a result.

The Democratic Party will listen to the voices of those in the states yet to vote. Even if turnout for Bernie doesn't change the delegate math enough to give Bernie a lead in pledged delegates or make him the first Jewish President in history, it will show the Party how many support Bernie's message. And that's a great reason to get out and vote.

I know, however, that both our candidates care enough about our country to not let the White House fall into Republican hands. No matter what people say on an anonymous forum, no matter what a very few overzealous supporters do that both our candidates would never advocate.... they, at least, will act graciously towards each other no matter what the outcome is, and work together to keep the White House Blue.

And that does make me happy.

[oldandhappy]

25. nothing is over until November

[SheilaT]

26. I keep on waiting for the Hillary side to point out that

she graciously conceded long before the convention in 2008.

Wait, do I have that wrong?

[BlueStateLib]

55. Hillary endorsed Obama 80 days before he was nominated

[RandySF]

27. I'm sure some people think the Civi War is not over.

There may even be others who think the 2008 Olympics are not over. I can't control what anyone thinks, but the math speaks for itself. Yes, there are primaries to be held and votes to be cast, but then nomination is already decided.

[Squinch]

28. You guys are just being weird at this point. And Sanders, still asking for $ when he know there

is no way forward...? Well, there's a word for that, too.

[B Calm]

29. It's worth a few bucks to continue his progressive message. It's a breath of fresh

air in a sea of conservativism.

[moriah]

36. He has the right. Hillary asked for money even after conceding...

... to overcome her campaign debt in 2008.

The Primary isn't over yet, and Bernie hss the right to campaign in the ststes left, and raise money for those campaign activities. And being such a strong advocate of campaign finance reform, if there is a surplus rather than a debt for him, I have faith he will follow the law and ensure it is put to keeping GOP candidates out of office.

I am a Hillary supporter, but I must be fair here.

[vintx]

44. Good post

[Bluenorthwest]

45. In '08 Hillary raised funds until she lost, at which point she was in debt so more fundraising was

done to pay off her millions in debt. What's the word for that? She was Sec of State and they were fundraising to pay off her campaign debts. She and Bill have about 100 million, but they took donations for that debt....I have a word for that.

[Squinch]

67. Is Sanders in debt?

[beachbum bob]

30. its over but not ended.....there is a difference

its ended when hillary attains the nomination on the first vote at the convention

[moriah]

37. Or, if after the last primaries, if he has less pledged delegates...

... if Bernie concedes for the sake of keeping the GOP out.

I have never had real problems with Bernie, only some of his more overzealous supporters. I believe he is a man of integrity and would do nothing to jeopardize a Democratic win in November. Letting everyone vote and continuing to advocate for the issues he has such passion for will not jeopardize that, particularly this year.

[NCTraveler]

31. Gowdy is still going on Benghazi.

Doesn't mean it isn't over. He is just desperate. Because someone continues with something doesn't meant the end result hasn't been determined.

[DrDan]

33. it's over - compare (1) campaign spending in the upcoming states and (2) staff hiring and firing

(what a low gesture - not even showing up to thank workers as they are being fired)

[randome]

34. And any day now, OWS will rise from the ashes and cats and dogs will be friends and...

...Snowden will be welcomed home as a hero and Assange will release the banking files and Rove will be frogmarched to prison and...
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[COLGATE4]

63. ...and the Lion will lie down with the lamb. (The lamb,

however, probably isn't going to get much sleep).

[Demsrule86]

38. I heard on make it plain

that we need Bernie to stay in through California...yeah I know...I want it over too. The reason is California has a unique primary system where all candidates regardless of party are put on the same ballot ...you could have six republicans or Democrats running...you could have any combination of greens,libertarians, and God knows who on the same ballot. The two top winners compete in the general. Here is the kicker...they can be of the same party...thus two Republicans could run for a US Senate seat. And the fear is if many more GOP types show up to vote for Trump...California will decide the nomination...it could lead to a huge win for them down ballot if the Democratic primary is not ongoing. God know we don't want that. This may be why party leaders and Clinton are not pushing for Bernie to drop out...whereas in 08, it was over for both parties before California and Clinton was pressured to drop out.

[sufrommich]

39. It was over when he was trounced in New York.nt

[pinebox]

40. I know! When Bernie wins only 2 states!

Bwahahahahahah!

[alcibiades_mystery]

43. You will forever have been right that Bernie didn't lose as badly as expected!

You guys should throw a "Didn't Lose as Badly as Expected!" party.

[vintx]

47. No, we should throw a 'from unknown to making a household name

who assumed she was a shoo-in work for it and at least, for a time, act like she wasn't for conservative policies* " party.

*TPP, fracking, limits on abortion, for-profit insurance only, private prisons, regime change, cluster bombs, etc etc etc etc

[COLGATE4]

64. We should give him a Certificate of Participation.

Because there are no 'winners', only 'participants'.

[Tarc]

41. I think it was over the day he palled up with "Killer Mike" to slam John Lewis

and other African-American civil rights leaders in the run-up to S.C.. It was a shameless pander, seen for what it was by everyone, and he has gotten smashed in the A-A vote ever since.

[Bluenorthwest]

46. That's bullshit, no one slammed John Lewis and it is exploitative of him to use him in this

dishonest fashion. John Lewis is perfectly capable of speaking for himself, Tarc. He does not need Tarc to speak for him:

Posts hidden by Jury: 8
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=126519&sub=trans

[vintx]

49. Wow. I wonder when the amnesty period will end. It sure stunk up the place. nt

[Tarc]

50. John Lewis was tossed under the bus by the Sanders crew, along with

Jim Clyburn and other elder statesmen of the civil rights here. Sanders countered with a...d-list rapper. That set the ball rolling for loss after loss after loss for Sanders, on the strength of the PoC vote going against him.

Speaing of transparency, you're only 1 shy there, so...

[grossproffit]

56. I believe it was the "unqualified" comment that sunk him. That and the Pope "meeting."

[alcibiades_mystery]

42. It's not over?

OK, buddy.

[seabeyond]

48. I dunno Bernie fan, when do you think?

[Adrahil]

51. In reality it was over after Super Tuesday. NT

[SidDithers]

52. It was over on March 15...

Sid

[Stuckinthebush]

66. Bingo

It was over then. It is really over now. All over but the Bernie concession

[OhZone]

57. It was pretty much over -

Feb 20th.

[B Calm]

65. Before the first vote was cast in Iowa, Hillary had a 500 super delegate lead

thanks to the DNC it was over before it even started.

[scheming daemons]

68. It's been over for a while. Bernie is running a zombie campaign.

[Stallion]

69. Might Want to Check Your Hearing

Its been over for awhile

[Logical]

70. Hearing? I usualy read posts here! Nt

[Stallion]

71. Original Post: "I hear it daily yet it is still going on"

You're right-maybe what you're hearing are voices in your head