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George II

(67,782 posts)
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:39 PM Apr 2016

Democratic delegate count as of this afternoon:

Despite the attempts to "flip" some delegates from Clinton to Sanders by his campaign, several more have now moved into the Clinton column.

As of this afternoon, here are the counts:

Pledged Delegates

Clinton 1665, Sanders 1370 (Clinton +295), 1016 remaining. Clinton needs 361, 35.5% of remaining pledged delegates for a PLEDGED delegate majority.

Superdelegates

Clinton 489, Sanders 41 (Clinton +458). Clinton has 92.2% who have pledged, 74.2% of all 714 superdelegates.

Total Delegates

Clinton 2154, Sanders 1411 (Clinton +743), 1200 remaining. Clinton needs only 229, 19.0% of remaining delegates for an OVERALL delegate majority.

Looks like the "flipping" effort has backfired!

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D-PU.phtml

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Democratic delegate count as of this afternoon: (Original Post) George II Apr 2016 OP
Very good post. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #1
But Bernie-ites will say that he will get those supers to switch tonyt53 Apr 2016 #2
Or they'll say WhiteTara Apr 2016 #8
Thanks! Appreciate the update. livetohike Apr 2016 #3
Noted... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #4
If that makes you feel better. George II Apr 2016 #6
Hmm. So, the Sanders camp should be careful what they wish for. lunamagica Apr 2016 #7
The Sanders campaign should, just once, pull out a calculator before they open their mouths. Squinch Apr 2016 #11
Yeah but that's not how they calculate it. Democratic Divo Apr 2016 #12
Has the Sanders campaign actually argues that supers should morningfog Apr 2016 #14
Yes they have. Tad and Jeff have said it a number of times over the last few weeks, ever since... George II Apr 2016 #16
Well there are no "committed" supers. morningfog Apr 2016 #17
If there are no "committed" supers, why are Sanders supporters harassing Clinton.... George II Apr 2016 #19
Because they aren't "committed." They aren't bound morningfog Apr 2016 #22
They're not bound, but they most certainly are committed. George II Apr 2016 #24
And back to my original question. When did sanders campaign itself morningfog Apr 2016 #26
Feel better?... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #15
I think we're all well aware of the proportional aspect of the remaining states....... George II Apr 2016 #18
She hasn't and she won't... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #20
Quite a vivid memory - Jimmy Carter didn't run for President until 1976, and superdelegates... George II Apr 2016 #25
History... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #27
The SDs will only "come into play" as a formality. Garrett78 May 2016 #32
rules... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #35
What rules would those be? Garrett78 May 2016 #38
Rules... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #40
He's trying to provide her some shade..he's going all the way to convention, no matter what due to silvershadow May 2016 #34
K&R. Thanks for the update, George! lunamagica Apr 2016 #5
This makes me feel like ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #9
So, Bernie still has a chance!!!!!!! grossproffit Apr 2016 #10
K & R BootinUp Apr 2016 #13
He needs 2026 pledged delegates for the majority Tiggeroshii Apr 2016 #21
If he wants to return to the Senate Demsrule86 May 2016 #37
All that is fine if he doesn't get to 2026. Tiggeroshii May 2016 #39
"Clinton +743" Good Lord that's gotta hurt. I'm sure that Hillary is feeling like this guy right now Number23 Apr 2016 #23
I love how she has enough superdelegates to negate California. northernsouthern May 2016 #28
Just like in 2008, I will say it again. SD's are the most undemocratic thing in the Party. Feeling the Bern May 2016 #29
So lets count the actual votes GulfCoast66 May 2016 #30
I can accept that. SDs I cannot. Feeling the Bern May 2016 #31
Far, far too much is made of the SDs. Garrett78 May 2016 #33
Thanks Demsrule86 May 2016 #36
Thank you Demnorth May 2016 #41
 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
2. But Bernie-ites will say that he will get those supers to switch
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:47 PM
Apr 2016

If he pushes the issue, he will lose some of the 41 that he has.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
4. Noted...
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:50 PM
Apr 2016

HRC still hasn't earned the nomination and based upon the proportional voting so far might not make it until convention with the required delegates and willl need the SDs to 'earn' the nomination

Thx for pointing that out!

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. If that makes you feel better.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:03 PM
Apr 2016

By the way, the latest Sanders campaign scenario, awarding superdelegates to the candidate who won the state, would result in these delegate counts as of today:

Clinton 2,087, only 296 of 1104 (27%) of the remaining delegates for the majority
Sanders 1,574, 296 of 1104 (73%) of the remaining delegates for the majority

And with this scenario concocted by Weaver, Devine, et. al, the superdelegates would be assigned, no "flipping" involved.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
14. Has the Sanders campaign actually argues that supers should
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:27 PM
Apr 2016

follow their state results? I know some supporters have said that. It's always been just dumb on its face. But did Bernie or his campaign actually make that argument. If they did, I didn't see it.

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. Yes they have. Tad and Jeff have said it a number of times over the last few weeks, ever since...
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:40 PM
Apr 2016

...it became obvious that between pledged delegates and COMMITTED superdelegates, Sanders has already lost.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
17. Well there are no "committed" supers.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:46 PM
Apr 2016

And I've seen the campaign make the argument or switching supers based on Bernie's polling strength and appeal to independents. But I didn't see the "follow the state"'argument. Does anyone have a link to the campaign saying that?

George II

(67,782 posts)
19. If there are no "committed" supers, why are Sanders supporters harassing Clinton....
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:52 PM
Apr 2016

superdelegates and calling them in the middle of the night?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
22. Because they aren't "committed." They aren't bound
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:15 PM
Apr 2016

until they vote at the convention.

Back to my original question. Can you show me where the Sanders Campaign itself argued that the supers should follow their state results?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
26. And back to my original question. When did sanders campaign itself
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:34 PM
Apr 2016

argue that the supers should follow the state results?

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
15. Feel better?...
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

It's math, I see you avoid the proportional aspect and the remaining states that need to vote

HRC hasn't earned the nomination, you know this as well as I, the likelihood of her doing it before the convention is very slim so that leaves convention and SDs

Does that make me feel better? It's not about emotion it's about the math...

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. I think we're all well aware of the proportional aspect of the remaining states.......
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:47 PM
Apr 2016

......which is why Clinton will wrap this up long before the convention. If primaries/caucuses were NOT proportional, I'm sure you know that Clinton would have clinched the nomination last Tuesday.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
20. She hasn't and she won't...
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:10 PM
Apr 2016

She'll have to wait until convention most likely.. forcing the SDs to come into play

I remember the '68 convention and what outcomes that caused, Jimmy Carter then establishment brought in SDs to counter populism and things getting out of control from establishment power base and control

George II

(67,782 posts)
25. Quite a vivid memory - Jimmy Carter didn't run for President until 1976, and superdelegates...
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:29 PM
Apr 2016

...weren't implemented until 1984.

And who was involved in devising the superdelegates? Mr. Tad Devine.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
27. History...
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:38 PM
Apr 2016

I know the history, after '68 convention then went full on democracy approach, populism reigned hence the SDs after Carter

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
32. The SDs will only "come into play" as a formality.
Sun May 1, 2016, 02:22 AM
May 2016

It's a given who the nominee will be if that person has won a clear majority of pledged delegates. Not reaching 2383 via pledged delegates alone is meaningless.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
35. rules...
Sun May 1, 2016, 06:13 PM
May 2016

'given' that the rules don't validate your reply let's stick to the facts shall we?

majority and meeting the rules stated delegate count matter do they not?

Meaningless is HRC supporters trying to craft a narrative away from what the rules clearly state

SDs and convention are what will define who becomes nominee...

I get that the establishment are pushing HRC as the 'intended' nominee but let the remaining states have their say in this primary cycle shall we and then if HRC can earn the nomination then so be it but, I highly doubt she will and that means convention and SDs

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
38. What rules would those be?
Sun May 1, 2016, 06:27 PM
May 2016

The rule that says SDs can support whomever they wish?

Clinton will have won a clear majority of pledged delegates. Let's say it's 2175 to 1876 heading into the convention. Do you think the SDs would make Sanders the nominee? Does any sane person believe that would happen?

Getting Clinton from 2175 to 2383 would be a mere formality.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
40. Rules...
Sun May 1, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016

SDs are basically unbound but they don't matter until convention when they actually vote, they are only 'pledged' and did so before a single primary vote was cast so.... it was clear whom the establishment wanted as nominee even before a single DEM party 'civilian' was able to 'voice' their opinion...

mere formality is still bound by rules as dictated by the DEM party... if you want the process 'sped' up then get crackin' at the convention to modify / change the rules, until then HRC hasn't earned the nomination regardless of how many times you reply / post otherwise

Platform and party planks are at stake here, not just the nominee

Enjoy the ride, it's about going to get bumpy here on out and through the convention

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
34. He's trying to provide her some shade..he's going all the way to convention, no matter what due to
Sun May 1, 2016, 05:58 AM
May 2016

the possibility of her being indicted and leaving the entire party with their pants at their ankles. He is owed much respect in that regard alone from the party as whole, though here on DU it doesn't seem to be acknowledged. The more we all talk about math, though, I suppose it deflects eyeballs from the scandal. So that's good. Carry on, because it isn't about the math. It's about the FBI investigation.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
21. He needs 2026 pledged delegates for the majority
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:12 PM
Apr 2016

Then he will have 2 months to get everybody to vote for the one with more delegates

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
37. If he wants to return to the Senate
Sun May 1, 2016, 06:18 PM
May 2016

and not be naming post offices...he gets out after California, robustly endorses Clinton and campaigns with her...at the convention he puts her name in by acclamation as she did for Obama.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
39. All that is fine if he doesn't get to 2026.
Sun May 1, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016

But 2026 is the winning number. Unless you are into circumventing democracy and ignoring the will of the voters, then let's go with the delegates who are elected and not the lobbyists paid off to support your candidate

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
28. I love how she has enough superdelegates to negate California.
Sun May 1, 2016, 01:49 AM
May 2016

That is corruption if I have ever seen it.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
33. Far, far too much is made of the SDs.
Sun May 1, 2016, 02:25 AM
May 2016

Fear not, the candidate who has won a majority of pledged delegates will be the nominee. I'd be fine with doing away with SDs, but it doesn't really matter, because the winner will be the same regardless.

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