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99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:23 PM May 2016

Game Changer? "FBI Confirms They Will Question Hillary Clinton"

FBI Confirms They Will Question Hillary Clinton
by Tom Cahill * May 5, 2016 * US Uncut

FBI officials have confirmed that Hillary Clinton will be interviewed about her use of a private email server, possibly before the California primary.

CNN reported Thursday evening that the Federal Bureau of Investigation interviewed top Clinton aide Huma Abedin over the server, along with other senior aides, some more than once. While investigators confirmed that Clinton herself would be interviewed, no official date has been announced.

Bryan Pagliano, who originally built Clinton’s private server, has agreed to provide testimony to the Department of Justice in exchange for legal immunity. FBI officials stated they had yet to procure sufficient evidence that any laws were willfully broken, though the investigation is still ongoing.

As of May 5, the investigation is still limited to Clinton’s handling of classified information on her private email server, and the security of the server itself. While the former Secretary of State has cooperated with federal authorities in making thousands of emails public, 22 of the emails in her private server were classified as “top secret” and deemed too sensitive to national security to release to the general public.

http://usuncut.com/politics/fbi-question-hillary-clinton-email/
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Game Changer? "FBI Confirms They Will Question Hillary Clinton" (Original Post) 99th_Monkey May 2016 OP
They also said complain jane May 2016 #1
Who is "they"? Wilms May 2016 #3
Sure! Here you go. complain jane May 2016 #6
Thanks. Wilms May 2016 #15
This is good news. nt ZombieHorde May 2016 #16
It's a smokescreen.., tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #76
The unnamed US...errr FBI officials who Press Virginia May 2016 #7
Its in the Original Story Linked Stallion May 2016 #8
Thanks. Wilms May 2016 #17
Sufficient. Sufficient. That's a word that holds it's little hand up! n/t ebayfool May 2016 #56
Well, they haven't questioned Hillary yet either. Who knows how that will go. nt 99th_Monkey May 2016 #10
"Willfully" Joob May 2016 #11
Zactly. Gross negligence isn't willful and that's what the statute has as its standard. JudyM May 2016 #26
Gross negligence is often defined as wanton and wilful misconduct. COLGATE4 May 2016 #66
Reading comprehension is not your strength apparently. BillZBubb May 2016 #12
Again There Is No Crime if Prosecutor Can't Prove Required Statutory Intent Stallion May 2016 #18
Wrong. Gross negligence. JudyM May 2016 #27
Gross Neligence is a Type of Intent/Mens Rea-Rarely Applied Because it Requires Extreme, Outrageous Stallion May 2016 #30
I think deliberately conducting State business on an insecure server is willfull and gross negligeng HooptieWagon May 2016 #37
Yeah, it seems pretty plain. JudyM May 2016 #52
No, it doesn't. For there to have been gross negligence COLGATE4 May 2016 #68
You think that. And you'd be wrong. nt COLGATE4 May 2016 #67
If you think she used reasonable care I have nothing else to say! JudyM May 2016 #50
No-Negligence is the LACK of Reasonable Care Stallion May 2016 #61
Voluntary disregard... JudyM May 2016 #62
You know what they say about arguing legal issues COLGATE4 May 2016 #70
Reasonable care has nothing to do with gross negligence. COLGATE4 May 2016 #69
Oh, insults! Yay! complain jane May 2016 #19
Actually they Saif "sufficient evidence" and " laws were wilfully broken" Seeinghope May 2016 #23
No, that's wishful thinking on your part. It can just as easily mean COLGATE4 May 2016 #71
Well now. Let's see how this plays out. Seeinghope May 2016 #2
It doesn't change anything. That happens only if the FBI recommends indictment. BillZBubb May 2016 #4
I've been hearing for awhile that it was unclear whether Hillary would be questioned 99th_Monkey May 2016 #14
I'm sure s get Cheney to go with her mindwalker_i May 2016 #41
It was announced in February she was going to get questioned. IdaBriggs May 2016 #48
to my layman thinking, the only game changer might be is if indictment 2banon May 2016 #72
still, it's unbelievable to me 99th_Monkey May 2016 #74
If memory serves, (that's a big IF) I believe Nixon was the first.. 2banon May 2016 #75
Thanks for the reply. Assuming that was the case with Nixon (which does sound plausible), 99th_Monkey May 2016 #78
I suspect the Repukes pounced on Bill and Hill back in the '90s BECAUSE of Watergate 2banon May 2016 #79
DOJ said last week a referral is being prepared against her. That's a case. JudyM May 2016 #28
Now we've gone from US officials being the source Press Virginia May 2016 #5
Exactly! NWCorona May 2016 #21
This is beginning to feel like watching Pong. Barack_America May 2016 #57
But referring back to the CNN article, as if that were their source winter is coming May 2016 #64
It's most likely a secretary or the mail room guy. Press Virginia May 2016 #65
Which they proved is not true... scscholar May 2016 #9
they did grasswire May 2016 #20
But the FBI recently confirmed they didn't... scscholar May 2016 #34
It was reported her aides had been questioned. HooptieWagon May 2016 #39
So Faux Knews lied. scscholar May 2016 #43
LA Times real enough for you? HooptieWagon May 2016 #45
The level of denial on this is absolutely breathtaking. nt 99th_Monkey May 2016 #47
Denial is strong in fanclub atmosphere. HooptieWagon May 2016 #49
CNN... bobbobbins01 May 2016 #55
Jesus H Christ bobbobbins01 May 2016 #54
I want to hear that from the FBI themselves tularetom May 2016 #13
The perception of wrongdoing is often as damaging is the reality of wrongdoing. Drip, drip, drip. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #22
That is what I was thinking. For those who are taking comfort jwirr May 2016 #35
Of course those courteous and kindly Republicans won't say anything about an FBI investigation. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #38
Exactly. jwirr May 2016 #40
Yes and no The Second Stone May 2016 #24
Silly question, I'm sure... casperthegm May 2016 #25
Yes. 99th_Monkey May 2016 #42
But,- it was just reported here officially that it was all over and there was nothing more to see notadmblnd May 2016 #29
But but but angrychair May 2016 #31
It was not just an "unknown source", it was an unknown "US official" EndElectoral May 2016 #32
Oh angrychair May 2016 #46
Great question. Why indeed. 99th_Monkey May 2016 #44
I have seen numerous posts from the usual TM99 May 2016 #33
Please, tell us more about your long, deep-seated interest in Cabinet official's e-mail practices Tarc May 2016 #36
. . . or not. nt ucrdem May 2016 #51
How much bullshit is packed in this? catnhatnh May 2016 #53
Just announced it's hardly over, just getting started. ViseGrip May 2016 #58
It's over Demsrule86 May 2016 #63
usuncut obamanut2012 May 2016 #59
Golly gee, that must mean the FBI will issue a citation? Sheepshank May 2016 #60
This was said before except it's definite now that Hillary WILL be interviewed. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #73
It all depends on her intent BlueStateLib May 2016 #77

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
76. It's a smokescreen..,
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:56 AM
May 2016

It's not a coincidence that this story came out immediately after the hacker stories. Pure damage control by the Hillary camp.

Stallion

(6,476 posts)
8. Its in the Original Story Linked
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:29 PM
May 2016

"FBI officials stated they had yet to procure sufficient evidence that any laws were willfully broken, though the investigation is still ongoing"

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
17. Thanks.
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:34 PM
May 2016

And that one specifies a little more. "FBI officials stated they had yet to procure sufficient evidence that any laws were willfully broken, though the investigation is still ongoing."

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
12. Reading comprehension is not your strength apparently.
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:30 PM
May 2016

They quote was they haven't found "sufficient" evidence to prove willful crimes. Evidence exists that indicates crime might have been committed. Getting sufficient evidence to allow a conviction is a much higher bar. That's what the FBI is trying to find.

Stallion

(6,476 posts)
30. Gross Neligence is a Type of Intent/Mens Rea-Rarely Applied Because it Requires Extreme, Outrageous
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:51 PM
May 2016

conduct not mere negligence. Its one of the most incorrectly applied concepts by layman. There is no evidence of extreme or outrageous conduct either-there might be evidence of negligence which based on the several statutes I've reviewed is not sufficient to establish a criminal violation of any of these statutes

"Gross negligence is a conscious and voluntary disregard of the need to use reasonable care, which is likely to cause foreseeable grave injury or harm to persons, property, or both. It is conduct that is extreme when compared with ordinary Negligence, which is a mere failure to exercise reasonable care"

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
37. I think deliberately conducting State business on an insecure server is willfull and gross negligeng
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:09 PM
May 2016

She was provided a secure account to use, which she refused to use. She didn't inform State Dept she was using her own server, thus they didn't inspect the security measures in place. The security in place on the server appears amateurish at best...for a period of time in 2013 there was no security at all. During that period of time, classified emails were stored on the server, after she signed a statement that she had turned over emails to the State Dept. She then ordered a partial deletion of emails in deliberate violation of the Records Act.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
68. No, it doesn't. For there to have been gross negligence
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:06 AM
May 2016

there was to have been a wanton and wilful violation. That's what the government would have to prove. And proving it is a bitch. Which is why they're now signalling that they haven't got the evidence to prove it.

Stallion

(6,476 posts)
61. No-Negligence is the LACK of Reasonable Care
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:28 PM
May 2016

so that flew right over your head. Lack of reasonable care is not Gross Negligence which is a much higher standard. Its often pled and very rarely established because it doesn't mean what you think it means

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
23. Actually they Saif "sufficient evidence" and " laws were wilfully broken"
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:38 PM
May 2016

"FBI officials stated they had yet to procure sufficient evidence that any laws were willfully broken, though the investigation is still ongoing".

In other words they have evidence but not enough. And Laws were broken but cannot prove wilfully... Technicalities so far.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
71. No, that's wishful thinking on your part. It can just as easily mean
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:09 AM
May 2016

that they have not procured ANY evidence, but they're still going to keep looking.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
4. It doesn't change anything. That happens only if the FBI recommends indictment.
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:27 PM
May 2016

If that occurs, things get really ugly, really fast. And the Democratic party will be in deep shit.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
14. I've been hearing for awhile that it was unclear whether Hillary would be questioned
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

personally, and I assume, under oath.

So this IS different, is it not?

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
48. It was announced in February she was going to get questioned.
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:32 PM
May 2016

Made my ears perk up a little at the time. They are not gentle with those who attempt to play word games....

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
72. to my layman thinking, the only game changer might be is if indictment
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:43 AM
May 2016

occurred but only then if convictions followed.

But I remember Fitzmas. The powerful have their game plan in place, I really don't believe there will be an indictment regardless of findings.

No, the only potential game changer might be if there is anything connected to the Clinton Foundation as related to all of this during her tenure as SoS. That might be a game changer, but I doubt anything will see the light of day, really.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
74. still, it's unbelievable to me
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:30 AM
May 2016

that our Dem "presumptive nominee" is running while under investigation by the FBI.

Has this EVER happened before?

I don't think so.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
75. If memory serves, (that's a big IF) I believe Nixon was the first..
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:19 AM
May 2016

difference in his case, it was just before his second election campaign.

In other words, the Pentagon Papers, and Watergate stories were in place I believe roughly 2 years before his 2nd election.

It was widely reported on, widely discussed and certainly controversial but apparently the Repukes didn't give it much concern.

And some Democratic Voters who helped give Nixon his "landslide" victory were outraged that this was stuff was even being reported on at all. I kid you not. (My ex-husbands parents among others)

Logic and common sense seem to have very little to do with our "electorate" concerns or choices, it appears.



 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
78. Thanks for the reply. Assuming that was the case with Nixon (which does sound plausible),
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:55 AM
May 2016

we saw how well that turned out for the country i.e. not so well.

During the Nixon years I was in an apolitical phase of my life, so my memory
is sketchy re: him being under investigation.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
79. I suspect the Repukes pounced on Bill and Hill back in the '90s BECAUSE of Watergate
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:36 AM
May 2016

investigations which led to his ultimate resignation.

I observed their hatred and contempt for the Democratic Party went through the roof, They couldn't get Carter on moral grounds but the Clintons served it up on a silver platter.

And now we're going to go through that it again, just so we can have the Supreme Court.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
57. This is beginning to feel like watching Pong.
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:07 PM
May 2016

Back and forth between "unnamed FBI sources" and "unnamed US officials".

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
64. But referring back to the CNN article, as if that were their source
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:40 PM
May 2016

for "FBI officials". Does anyone else think it's odd that the FBI would comment on an ongoing investigation?

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
9. Which they proved is not true...
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:29 PM
May 2016

by never asking a single damn question of her aides. If they were going to question her, they would have talked to them first. They have admitted this to be a lie.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
39. It was reported her aides had been questioned.
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:13 PM
May 2016

Some more than once. They may be recalled for more questions. It appears Clinton is the only subject not questioned, though FBI can always add to list if need be.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
49. Denial is strong in fanclub atmosphere.
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:36 PM
May 2016

Now Hillary is veering right and courting JEB's donor list. Tomorrows Hillarian talking point is to be how wonderful the Bush family is.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
13. I want to hear that from the FBI themselves
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:30 PM
May 2016

I don't believe for a second that "FBI officials" would state "they had yet to procure sufficient evidence that any laws were willfully broken".

That's just bullshit. Somebody is doing some real wishful thinking and if I were the FBI director I'd be pissed. Thats just not how the operate.














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jwirr

(39,215 posts)
35. That is what I was thinking. For those who are taking comfort
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:03 PM
May 2016

in the fact that she has not been indicted you need to remember that many people think that anyone who is being investigated - especially by the FBI - has done something wrong or they would not be investigated. So unless they come right out and say that they found nothing she is going to appear guilty to a lot of voters.

It is not fair. We are supposed to assume innocence until proven guilty but that is not the way it works or would work for voters.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
38. Of course those courteous and kindly Republicans won't say anything about an FBI investigation.
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:11 PM
May 2016

Just like they didn't say a peep about Edward Kennedy and Chappaquiddick.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
24. Yes and no
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:41 PM
May 2016

There are ways that Clinton's legal counsel can require the FBI to disclose whether she is a target/suspect/person of interest/witness. From everything I've seen, she is a witness, and not an FBI target, the only people who would be targets would have wilful intent to evade the law's security purpose. That said, I would expect the FBI to have better questioning than former prosecutor Trey Gowdy, Congressman Extradinbullshit, who did not look like a law school grad in his questioning, much less a prosecutor, he looked like an unhinged idiot pretending to know what he was doing, which appeared to be trying to "get her" in the most inept way possible.

So yes, it is meaningful in that it will bring a conclusion sooner, no in that it will not likely result in an indictment unless she is willing to say her testimony before Congress was untrue and that she had wilful intent to evade the law.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
25. Silly question, I'm sure...
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:41 PM
May 2016

But if HRC were to be charged(not found guilty, just charged), would you expect her to drop out?

Yes, yes, I know- it will never happen. But if it did, would you want her to drop out?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
29. But,- it was just reported here officially that it was all over and there was nothing more to see
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:50 PM
May 2016

Hillary had no malevolent intentions when she had a private server set up in her home. It was just more of that bad judgement she employs so often.

angrychair

(8,733 posts)
31. But but but
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:54 PM
May 2016

I just read the "unknown source" ironclad 'nothing to see here' story that HRC supporters are crowing about, if there is nothing to see, why interview her?

How about a couple of weeks after the interview, no charges are not filled but HRC drops out "to spend more time with my family".

angrychair

(8,733 posts)
46. Oh
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:22 PM
May 2016

It's even more ironclad now. "Unknown U.S. Official briefed on the investigation" sounds a lot more official-ish. that is code for "shit I thought I overheard in the elevator."

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
44. Great question. Why indeed.
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:19 PM
May 2016

If the investigation is over and there's 'nothing to see', the why question Hillary?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
33. I have seen numerous posts from the usual
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:58 PM
May 2016

suspects claiming Clinton has been exonerated all late afternoon here.

It has morphed from an 'unknown official' to an actual FBI investigator.

I guarantee there is going to be a negative news report on Clinton in the Friday afternoon news dump.

I guarantee that Trump and the GOP will attack her campaign hard on this.

I guarantee that this is a pre-emptive attempt to fight back on this by mudding the waters and sewing doubt. This is an information war and zombie Americans are being manipulated.

I heard a local ASU professor with a Ph.D. claim today on local talk radio that Clinton did nothing wrong and she doesn't care about the emails. She would have used her personal email herself in the same situation. This is how stupid the American populace is. Personal email is NOT the same as a home-brew server that violates security protocols and skirts FOIA laws.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
36. Please, tell us more about your long, deep-seated interest in Cabinet official's e-mail practices
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:05 PM
May 2016

before the political opponent of your preferred candidate became involved in the matter.

I'll do my best Jon Stewart;


catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
53. How much bullshit is packed in this?
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016

Who gave a briefing on the facts of an ongoing FBI investigation? That's right-absolutely no one.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
58. Just announced it's hardly over, just getting started.
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:10 PM
May 2016

The game changer is the Wall Street transcripts.
Ban on fracking
Breaking up the big banks
Single Payer Healthcare
Expand Soc. Sec.


Then we'll talk. The war mongering will be a tough one for me. But the others are a must have for me.

obamanut2012

(26,137 posts)
59. usuncut
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016


Any poster is using a source saying the same thing who also says Bill Clinton has secret police kill his enemies' dogs.

Y'all just

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
73. This was said before except it's definite now that Hillary WILL be interviewed.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:46 AM
May 2016

Before it was possibly. The expected schedule before has happened and is now moving forward to the next step. So... I think the celebration is premature. But then, they know that. This "it's over" thing is all theater.

BlueStateLib

(937 posts)
77. It all depends on her intent
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:05 AM
May 2016
Officials: Scant evidence that Clinton had malicious intent in handling of emails

Prosecutors and FBI agents investigating Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email server have so far found scant evidence that the leading Democratic presidential candidate intended to break classification rules,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/federal-prosecutors-in-virginia-assisting-in-clinton-email-probe/2016/05/05/f0277faa-12f0-11e6-81b4-581a5c4c42df_story.html
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