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FBI Confirms They Will Question Hillary Clintonby Tom Cahill * May 5, 2016 * US Uncut
FBI officials have confirmed that Hillary Clinton will be interviewed about her use of a private email server, possibly before the California primary.
CNN reported Thursday evening that the Federal Bureau of Investigation interviewed top Clinton aide Huma Abedin over the server, along with other senior aides, some more than once. While investigators confirmed that Clinton herself would be interviewed, no official date has been announced.
Bryan Pagliano, who originally built Clintons private server, has agreed to provide testimony to the Department of Justice in exchange for legal immunity. FBI officials stated they had yet to procure sufficient evidence that any laws were willfully broken, though the investigation is still ongoing.
As of May 5, the investigation is still limited to Clintons handling of classified information on her private email server, and the security of the server itself. While the former Secretary of State has cooperated with federal authorities in making thousands of emails public, 22 of the emails in her private server were classified as top secret and deemed too sensitive to national security to release to the general public.
http://usuncut.com/politics/fbi-question-hillary-clinton-email/
complain jane
(4,302 posts)that they've found no evidence that she broke any laws.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Please provide link.
complain jane
(4,302 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)That says, "US officials who have been briefed on the investigation...".
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)It's not a coincidence that this story came out immediately after the hacker stories. Pure damage control by the Hillary camp.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Stallion
(6,476 posts)"FBI officials stated they had yet to procure sufficient evidence that any laws were willfully broken, though the investigation is still ongoing"
And that one specifies a little more. "FBI officials stated they had yet to procure sufficient evidence that any laws were willfully broken, though the investigation is still ongoing."
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Joob
(1,065 posts)Not all crimes commited happen "Willfully" by the way.
JudyM
(29,274 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)They quote was they haven't found "sufficient" evidence to prove willful crimes. Evidence exists that indicates crime might have been committed. Getting sufficient evidence to allow a conviction is a much higher bar. That's what the FBI is trying to find.
Stallion
(6,476 posts)nm
JudyM
(29,274 posts)Stallion
(6,476 posts)conduct not mere negligence. Its one of the most incorrectly applied concepts by layman. There is no evidence of extreme or outrageous conduct either-there might be evidence of negligence which based on the several statutes I've reviewed is not sufficient to establish a criminal violation of any of these statutes
"Gross negligence is a conscious and voluntary disregard of the need to use reasonable care, which is likely to cause foreseeable grave injury or harm to persons, property, or both. It is conduct that is extreme when compared with ordinary Negligence, which is a mere failure to exercise reasonable care"
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)She was provided a secure account to use, which she refused to use. She didn't inform State Dept she was using her own server, thus they didn't inspect the security measures in place. The security in place on the server appears amateurish at best...for a period of time in 2013 there was no security at all. During that period of time, classified emails were stored on the server, after she signed a statement that she had turned over emails to the State Dept. She then ordered a partial deletion of emails in deliberate violation of the Records Act.
JudyM
(29,274 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)there was to have been a wanton and wilful violation. That's what the government would have to prove. And proving it is a bitch. Which is why they're now signalling that they haven't got the evidence to prove it.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)JudyM
(29,274 posts)Stallion
(6,476 posts)so that flew right over your head. Lack of reasonable care is not Gross Negligence which is a much higher standard. Its often pled and very rarely established because it doesn't mean what you think it means
JudyM
(29,274 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)with a person who's not a lawyer...
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)complain jane
(4,302 posts)I'm much more inclined to want to hear what you have to say now.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)"FBI officials stated they had yet to procure sufficient evidence that any laws were willfully broken, though the investigation is still ongoing".
In other words they have evidence but not enough. And Laws were broken but cannot prove wilfully... Technicalities so far.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)that they have not procured ANY evidence, but they're still going to keep looking.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)If that occurs, things get really ugly, really fast. And the Democratic party will be in deep shit.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)personally, and I assume, under oath.
So this IS different, is it not?
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Made my ears perk up a little at the time. They are not gentle with those who attempt to play word games....
2banon
(7,321 posts)occurred but only then if convictions followed.
But I remember Fitzmas. The powerful have their game plan in place, I really don't believe there will be an indictment regardless of findings.
No, the only potential game changer might be if there is anything connected to the Clinton Foundation as related to all of this during her tenure as SoS. That might be a game changer, but I doubt anything will see the light of day, really.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)that our Dem "presumptive nominee" is running while under investigation by the FBI.
Has this EVER happened before?
I don't think so.
2banon
(7,321 posts)difference in his case, it was just before his second election campaign.
In other words, the Pentagon Papers, and Watergate stories were in place I believe roughly 2 years before his 2nd election.
It was widely reported on, widely discussed and certainly controversial but apparently the Repukes didn't give it much concern.
And some Democratic Voters who helped give Nixon his "landslide" victory were outraged that this was stuff was even being reported on at all. I kid you not. (My ex-husbands parents among others)
Logic and common sense seem to have very little to do with our "electorate" concerns or choices, it appears.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)we saw how well that turned out for the country i.e. not so well.
During the Nixon years I was in an apolitical phase of my life, so my memory
is sketchy re: him being under investigation.
2banon
(7,321 posts)investigations which led to his ultimate resignation.
I observed their hatred and contempt for the Democratic Party went through the roof, They couldn't get Carter on moral grounds but the Clintons served it up on a silver platter.
And now we're going to go through that it again, just so we can have the Supreme Court.
JudyM
(29,274 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)to FBI officials....no names
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Back and forth between "unnamed FBI sources" and "unnamed US officials".
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)for "FBI officials". Does anyone else think it's odd that the FBI would comment on an ongoing investigation?
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)by never asking a single damn question of her aides. If they were going to question her, they would have talked to them first. They have admitted this to be a lie.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)they already questioned the aides.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)or are you calling the FBI liars?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Some more than once. They may be recalled for more questions. It appears Clinton is the only subject not questioned, though FBI can always add to list if need be.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)Got a real source? Of course not.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Of course not, but here it is anyway.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/clinton-aide-fbi-20160505-snap-story.html
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Now Hillary is veering right and courting JEB's donor list. Tomorrows Hillarian talking point is to be how wonderful the Bush family is.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Its a headline on cnn right fucking now: http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/05/politics/fbi-interviews-huma-abedin-clinton-aide/index.html
tularetom
(23,664 posts)I don't believe for a second that "FBI officials" would state "they had yet to procure sufficient evidence that any laws were willfully broken".
That's just bullshit. Somebody is doing some real wishful thinking and if I were the FBI director I'd be pissed. Thats just not how the operate.
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Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)in the fact that she has not been indicted you need to remember that many people think that anyone who is being investigated - especially by the FBI - has done something wrong or they would not be investigated. So unless they come right out and say that they found nothing she is going to appear guilty to a lot of voters.
It is not fair. We are supposed to assume innocence until proven guilty but that is not the way it works or would work for voters.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Just like they didn't say a peep about Edward Kennedy and Chappaquiddick.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)There are ways that Clinton's legal counsel can require the FBI to disclose whether she is a target/suspect/person of interest/witness. From everything I've seen, she is a witness, and not an FBI target, the only people who would be targets would have wilful intent to evade the law's security purpose. That said, I would expect the FBI to have better questioning than former prosecutor Trey Gowdy, Congressman Extradinbullshit, who did not look like a law school grad in his questioning, much less a prosecutor, he looked like an unhinged idiot pretending to know what he was doing, which appeared to be trying to "get her" in the most inept way possible.
So yes, it is meaningful in that it will bring a conclusion sooner, no in that it will not likely result in an indictment unless she is willing to say her testimony before Congress was untrue and that she had wilful intent to evade the law.
casperthegm
(643 posts)But if HRC were to be charged(not found guilty, just charged), would you expect her to drop out?
Yes, yes, I know- it will never happen. But if it did, would you want her to drop out?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I would expect her to drop-out. What I "want" is not important.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Hillary had no malevolent intentions when she had a private server set up in her home. It was just more of that bad judgement she employs so often.
angrychair
(8,733 posts)I just read the "unknown source" ironclad 'nothing to see here' story that HRC supporters are crowing about, if there is nothing to see, why interview her?
How about a couple of weeks after the interview, no charges are not filled but HRC drops out "to spend more time with my family".
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)angrychair
(8,733 posts)It's even more ironclad now. "Unknown U.S. Official briefed on the investigation" sounds a lot more official-ish. that is code for "shit I thought I overheard in the elevator."
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)If the investigation is over and there's 'nothing to see', the why question Hillary?
TM99
(8,352 posts)suspects claiming Clinton has been exonerated all late afternoon here.
It has morphed from an 'unknown official' to an actual FBI investigator.
I guarantee there is going to be a negative news report on Clinton in the Friday afternoon news dump.
I guarantee that Trump and the GOP will attack her campaign hard on this.
I guarantee that this is a pre-emptive attempt to fight back on this by mudding the waters and sewing doubt. This is an information war and zombie Americans are being manipulated.
I heard a local ASU professor with a Ph.D. claim today on local talk radio that Clinton did nothing wrong and she doesn't care about the emails. She would have used her personal email herself in the same situation. This is how stupid the American populace is. Personal email is NOT the same as a home-brew server that violates security protocols and skirts FOIA laws.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)before the political opponent of your preferred candidate became involved in the matter.
I'll do my best Jon Stewart;
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)Who gave a briefing on the facts of an ongoing FBI investigation? That's right-absolutely no one.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)The game changer is the Wall Street transcripts.
Ban on fracking
Breaking up the big banks
Single Payer Healthcare
Expand Soc. Sec.
Then we'll talk. The war mongering will be a tough one for me. But the others are a must have for me.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Turn out the lights Bern.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)Any poster is using a source saying the same thing who also says Bill Clinton has secret police kill his enemies' dogs.
Y'all just
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Is that what you are implying?
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Before it was possibly. The expected schedule before has happened and is now moving forward to the next step. So... I think the celebration is premature. But then, they know that. This "it's over" thing is all theater.
BlueStateLib
(937 posts)Prosecutors and FBI agents investigating Hillary Clintons use of a personal email server have so far found scant evidence that the leading Democratic presidential candidate intended to break classification rules,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/federal-prosecutors-in-virginia-assisting-in-clinton-email-probe/2016/05/05/f0277faa-12f0-11e6-81b4-581a5c4c42df_story.html