If Hillary loses

[XemaSab]

that's not Bernie's fault. It's not a failure of messaging or the triumph of the right-wing smear machine.

It's Hillary's fault and only Hillary's fault.

She's had 25 years to sell herself to the American public.

Sometimes the dogs don't like the dog food.

[bigwillq]

1. Yup

K and R

[cali]

2. Undeniably true.

[msongs]

3. calling voters dogs...there's a winning strategy nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. Don't clutch those pearls too tightly.

You might break the string.

[tralala]

8. Americans love dogs

[NurseJackie]

11. Say something like that as a reference to Bernie ...

... making a comparison to Bernie being "dog food" (rather than Hillary) and it would be alerted and hidden before the web page could auto refresh after clicking the "Post My Reply" button.

[insta8er]

35. Hahahahha yes priceless, showing Hillary lying for 13 min straight gets hidden...and this is just

video of her contradicting her previous statements...yeah she should be protected against those big bad bernie's...pout...

[Dragonfli]

15. .

[dchill]

51. How about cattle, then?

[Aerows]

55. Cats?

My cat is extremely finicky. She isn't just picky about what she eats, she's picky about what dish it is in.

[cherokeeprogressive]

77. I swear some people swim in circles looking for anything they can misrepresent.

Yes, I'm calling them sharks.

[Renew Deal]

4. We can't blame all the "busters"?

What about blaming Bsrnie for hanging around too long?

I disagree. They'll have their role just like the naderites did.

[Aerows]

57. And here is the Nader yelling chorus

If Hillary Clinton blows this, it is NOT my fault. Bush wasn't my fault, either. I voted for Gore in Florida in 2000.

Come November, you can yell Nader all that you like and you know what? You can talk to the hand because the face doesn't want to hear it. Many of us have repeatedly voiced why we think she is not a good candidate because she has limited to no appeal among Independents and Republicans, while also not capturing the imagination of a sizable amount of Democrats.

This is entirely on those of you who stubbornly persist in thinking, despite the evidence, that she is a well-loved folk hero in the mind of the body politic.

[notadmblnd]

79. Hillary hung around in 2008 just in case Obama was assinated.

No matter how hard she wished, her staying in it- didn't hurt him.

Hillary isn't going to be hurt by Sanders staying in either.

[hrmjustin]

5. It is Bernie's fault he is losing this primary.

[morningfog]

49. It is always the fault of the losing candidate for failing to build a winning coalition.

[hrmjustin]

50. Yes.

[LostOne4Ever]

66. Sadly, you are right on that. nt

[brooklynite]

6. She son't lose...but thanks for your concern...

[still_one]

16. exactly. I suspect some would wish her to lose, just like some are "praying" for an

indictment that won't happen, so in their version of "Bernie world" they can say I told you so

Too bad for them it won't happen

[cherokeeprogressive]

78. I wish for a Clinton loss in the primaries an am not afraid to voice it.

[mindwalker_i]

9. It's not only Hillary's fault

It's the fault of all those who tipped the system heavily for her as well.

[WhiteTara]

19. You mean the 3 million people who voted for her?

and the relationships she built in the Senate? Bernie may pack rallies, but Hillary gets out the vote.

[mindwalker_i]

20. I mean the people who sat their asses on the scales

... and the people who possibly committed election fraud.

[chervilant]

29. Hi11ary gets out the vote?!?

You must mean the tens of thousands who waited in long lines to see her...

Oh, wait, that is Bernie.

Or, maybe you mean all the millions in small donations...

Oopsies, Bernie again.

Perhaps, it's the significant margins over all the Republican candidates...

Awww, shoot, Bernie again!

Yeah, you just keep telling yourself ol' Hi11ary gets out the vote (meanwhile, I'm updating my IL).

[zappaman]

34. She leads in votes over Sanders.

Maybe you're confusing "waiting in long lines" with actually, you know.. voting?

[WhiteTara]

46. Rallies are not votes

And if he has the votes, then he should win, but he, so far, doesn't have the votes. People who line up for rallies are one thing, but then there is the unsexy thing of registering and going to a polling place and placing little marks in an oval box. Not just for president, but for the county commissioners and sheriffs and all the other little details of running a government.

Bernie doesn't inspire any of that. The supreme court judge in Minnesota is a clear indication of their lack of interest in the day to day of politics.

[griffi94]

10. Hillary is not going to lose

She's going to be the next president.

Then the haters from the far right and the far left
well their heads will explode.
And I'm going to laugh my ass off.

I love their impotent rage.

[That Guy 888]

28. It's been obvious that the Clintons have hated the left for decades.

Their mentor james carville used to advise Democrats to "sound like republicans" in general elections.

The center-right to right wing Democratic Party will make up any losses in membership with neo-cons and "moderate republicans"

[CobaltBlue]

80. griffi94—Are you a centrist?

[griffi94]

94. Left of center

Liberal Democrat.

[CobaltBlue]

95. griffi94—That would be your other left.

[griffi94]

96. Ah ok

Well my candidate is going to be president.
I support that because I want to see President Obamas
policies extended.

Good luck with whoever you end up supporting.

I understand the Green Party sometimes gets as much as 1%
of the national vote.

Your agenda is so much confetti if you can't win tho.

Go Hillary.

[Trust Buster]

12. Yeah, Sanders and his merry followers will continue to savage her and disrupt her campaign

speeches between now and November as Trump points to you but it will all be Hillary's fault.

[timmymoff]

40. She's been vetted, she's tough

she can't let a few Americans exercising their rights of speech stop her excellent campaign can she?

[Trust Buster]

71. They infringed on the rights of others. And, no candidate can win in the general when a significant

portion of her own Party attacks her so publicly between now and November. These protestors only helped Trump.

[timmymoff]

75. Admit she is flawed as hell

it will be the first step in admitting the problem. Let her own the distrust she has earned through countless flip flops, as well as the continually making wrong decisions first, aka poor judgment.

[Onlooker]

13. Bernie lost, and it's his fault n/t

[MADem]

14. ARE YOU KIDDING ME????

Sometimes the dogs don't like the dog food.

smh.

That's a really ugly comment for this board, on so many levels.

[JoePhilly]

17. If that helps you sleep.

[XemaSab]

18. And for the people who obviously don't understand the expression:

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+dogs+don%27t+like+the+dog+food&oq=the+dogs+don%27t+like+t&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l4.3990j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[philly_bob]

21. A couple interesting expressions in this discussion

1. Sometimes the dogs don't like the dog food.

2. Clutching at pearls. (indicating overreaction to a perceived slight)

I think both are colorful expressions in political argument, not anti-dog or anti-woman, and I'm glad no one alerted on them. Colorful language makes a point and is one of the things I like about reading DU.

[Nonhlanhla]

22. So let me get this straight

If Hillary loses, it's her fault and her fault alone.

But if a lot of Bernie supporters are to be believed, the fact that Bernie is losing is not his fault..but in fact Hillary's. Just like every misstep of her husband's presidency (even ones Bernie voted for) is her fault, etc.

So basically everything is Hillary's fault.

[Cali_Democrat]

23. Correct

Bernie losing = Hillary's fault

Hillary loses GE = Hillary's fault

Hindenburg Disaster = Hillary's fault

[timmymoff]

41. I doubt the Hindenburg was Hillary's fault

but by her judgment she probably would still go with hydrogen.

[libdem4life]

59. The Victim Card. Ugh.

[SheilaT]

24. Hillary has been widely touted as Inevitable, and

this late she still hasn't secured the nomination. She's also treated a huge portion of the voters with contempt, starting with Millennials and including all women who are not fans of hers. She also treated BLM representatives with scorn. She's lied about all sorts of things, changed her positions on everything, and in short has not shown herself to be a reliable person in many ways.

So yes, if she loses she bears the huge part of the responsibility. Hillarybots keep on enthusing over the many millions more votes she's gotten so far (even though caucus states only report delegates, not number of voters) and so you should all be quite confident she'll win without us pesky older women who don't like her or the Millennials.

[Nonhlanhla]

31. First, she never claimed to be inevitable

Second, she has pretty much already secured the nomination: it's just that Bernie for some bizarre reason can't or won't see that, and his legions of fans for the most part not either.

As for the so-called contempt and scorn that you claim she showed to people, I believe that is to a large extent in the eye of the beholder. From my perspective, Bernie treated anyone who did not endorse him with scorn (e.g. Planned Parenthood), dismissed Southern voters, and has claimed victim status even when his campaign did something wrong; he has offered little more than empty promises and vague ideas; he has promised not to go negative, but in fact his campaign has been incredibly negative, depicting his opponent as corrupt despite being unable to show any proof, calling her unqualified despite the clear evidence that this is deeply untrue. Etc.

So Bernie is losing. And it's his own fault. For the most part.

The nomination process is all but over, and we're heading towards the GE. The GE is a matter of needing the party to come together, and for former primary opponents to unite against the threat of the fascists on the right. As long as Bernie keeps on playing games (despite having NO path to victory) and destroying party unity, he may be contributing to a GE loss. Yes, the buck ultimately stops with Hillary - she is the one who has to make sure that she wins. But so is Bernie, as someone who chose to run on the Democratic Party ticket, and who must therefore play the traditional role of the runner-up: helping the nominee get elected. Just like Hillary did her part to help ensure an Obama victory in 2008.

[SheilaT]

39. She may not have personally claimed to be inevitable,

but she assumed ever since January 20, 2013, that she would be the nominee in 2016. In fact, in 2014 she embarked on a lot of serious fundraising with the understood intention of scaring off any potential rivals.

What really is bizarre is that she still hasn't gotten all the delegates needed.

Besides, she herself did not drop out of the race in 2008 until after the last of the primaries. So just cool it until June 14.

[Nonhlanhla]

43. So fundraising in order to compete = claiming to be inevitable

WTF?

There is nothing bizarre about her not having all the needed delegates yet. Democratic primaries are proportional. What is bizarre is that Bernie's fans thinks he still has a shot despite the fact that Hillary is so far ahead that he simply cannot catch up.

[SheilaT]

61. You know perfectly well that she's been presented

as the inevitable candidate for quite a while now. Stop pretending.

Meanwhile, she still hasn't clinched the nomination, which really ought to make the Hillarybots quite anxious about November, especially since all the polling for some months now has shown that Bernie Sanders defeats Donald Trump, but Hillary Clinton doesn't.

Personally, I have no use for a candidate who lies about things easily checked (being under fire in Bosnia, or the Reagan's stand on AIDS) as well as her constant change of opinion about everything else. Supports DOMA. Supports fracking, Maybe opposed to the Keystone pipeline. And on and on.

And if nothing else, keep in mind that in 2008 Hillary did NOT concede until AFTER the very last primary, even though she had less of a chance then than Bernie does now. So let him finish out the primary season.

And let me vote, not that you care, I'm sure, since I live in a state that votes June 7th.

If you sincerely believe in the Democratic process -- you do, don't you? -- then please wait until the entire primary/caucus season is done before declaring a winner.

And if your winner is as weak as Hillary is, then please don't come crying to any of us if she can't stand up to the Donald, or if her positions don't win over the genuine Democrats out there, or if her dismissal of the Independents means that none of them will vote for her. Boo-hoo. You reap what you sow.

[Nonhlanhla]

64. Calm down

Did I for one moment say you can't vote? You can vote with or without my blessing.

But by the way, Hillary was never as far behind as Bernie is now, so she had more reason to stay in then than he does now. I did think back then that she should at least not continue to attack Obama since he was clearly going to be the nominee. I feel the same about Bernie now. He knows damn well that he's not going to to be the nominee, so he should stop attacking her. What is the point? It only gives Trump more ammunition. I'm sorry you can't see that.

[SheilaT]

65. You, or at least a lot of the Hillarybots

have been screaming for Bernie to quite the race since February.

I have not voted yet. I want my vote to count. So DON'T tell me to calm down when you, or your surrogates are saying the race is over, never mind that a bunch of states still haven't voted yet.

And need I remind you that back in 2008 Hillary Clinton stayed in until the very last of the primaries. So grant us what she did then.

Otherwise, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

[Nonhlanhla]

67. Well, aren't you nice

Saying 'fuck you' to me.

Once again it is clear to me that a lot of Bernie's supporters are over emotional and lacking in basic decorum.

[SheilaT]

68. So wanting to vote involves being over emotional? And lacking basic decorum?

I hope you are also over emotional and lacking basic decorum in November.

Maybe the GE should procede around the country as the primaries do, so that your personal vote matters not at all.

[Nonhlanhla]

72. Sure, that's exactly what I said

that wanting to vote means being over emotional and lacking basic decorum.

My comment had "nothing" to do with your inability to stay on topic, or swearing at me.



Bye bye.

[Dem2]

25. Last sentence show your intent to root against her

You seem lost, this is a pro-Democrat site.

[w4rma]

73. Democratic Underground has never been a pro-New Democrat site. (nt)

[greatauntoftriplets]

26. If that happens, I'll blame who I goddamned please.

[Fresh_Start]

27. Here's the thing if Hillary loses the General

us old elite 1% will probably die within the first year of the Trump term leaving our billions to our heirs.

Whereas you all will live for a long time with the consequences of allowing Trump to take office.

[procon]

30. Ralph Nader said the same thing after the Florida vote count. nt

[XemaSab]

32. Yes, and in retrospect Gore didn't run a great campaign

Can't blame anyone but Gore for nominating Joe Fucking Lieberman.

[Sky Masterson]

45. Joe's middle name is not "Fucking"

[XemaSab]

58. You're right

Hadassah Lieberman is probably still a virgin.

[Sky Masterson]

70. Ha!

If she is married to Lieberman she is f_cked without being F....d

[timmymoff]

42. Damn, did gore mention how he lost 250,000

democrats to bush in Florida? What about Tennessee? Arkansas? Already seeking blame, shameful. As if not only her nomination is inevitable, but are planning the loss excuses now, just in case.

[riderinthestorm]

44. That myth has been thoroughly debunked. Gore has all the blame

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/6/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth

http://disinfo.com/2010/11/debunked-the-myth-that-ralph-nader-cost-al-gore-the-2000-election/

[w4rma]

83. Nader ran as an independent, much like Clinton's supporters insist that Bernie should have done.

Maybe you shouldn't insist that Democratic-independent voters vote for third parties, instead of in Democratic primaries, then?

Sorry, but Hillary's divisive rhetoric made that bed a while ago.

[JackRiddler]

33. She won't lose and the follow-up will suck...

but at least we won't have Trump (now owned by Cheney, apparently).

[840high]

36. .that^ X100

[KingFlorez]

37. You are correct

Sanders is not powerful enough to cause anyone to lose anything. By the time November rolls around no one will care about him anymore.

[grossproffit]

38. Same would be true for Bernie.

[PowerToThePeople]

47. When.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

48. If she can't convince enough voters to vote for her it's her responsibility.

She hasn't convinced me.

[underthematrix]

52. Hillary is the next POTUS

She has the Obama coalition. Also when POCs start talking to their kids about the EXTREME DANGER of a mentally disturbed dude being the face/leader of America, they will see the light. They will think HITLER as they should.

[silvershadow]

53. I fought with them over and over on this point, but they weren't having any of it. Months ago

now. Back before the wheels fell off the bus, and before the Great Coast to Coast. Well, you know.

[Aerows]

54. Well said! n/t

[Demsrule86]

56. Oh no just like kennedy was blamed for Carter's loss

Bernie will be forever blamed...and no one will care on whit what he says.

[Buzz cook]

60. Since you can tell the future

Why not clue us in to what the winning power ball numbers are?

[Darb]

62. Low class bullshit.

Come out of the gutter.

[grossproffit]

74. +1

[JEB]

63. Woof.

[Betty Karlson]

69. Undeniably true.

But we all know that very rich people blame themselves last, and look for "duped millennial racist and sexist hellbound sluts" before questioning their own behavior. So have a guess what Third Way is going to claim about us supporters of Sanders?

We had better not nominate her. It would be the continuation of the party leadership as we know it, but the end of the party as we know it.

[CobaltBlue]

82. You are right. Hillary can win the presidency with neocon Republicans. Quite ideal for her.

[CobaltBlue]

87. So, rjsquirrel, you want Republicans contaminating the Democratic Party?

[CobaltBlue]

89. rjsquirrel—I am going on what you wrote.

[CobaltBlue]

91. rjsquirrel—Was the Iraq War an example of centrism?

[CobaltBlue]

81. XemaSab…

If Hillary Clinton wins the 2016 Democratic nomination for president of the United States, and loses to a Republican nominee Donald Trump, the blame will go to: Hillary Clinton; her campaign; everyone who conspired to deliver her the nomination; and every person who voted her the nomination.

[Broward]

85. The Bush donor base will put her over the top. What have we become?

[CobaltBlue]

92. Broward—It could be a good way to usher in another realignment.

[Broward]

93. I agree, nt.

[JoePhilly]

86. Keep your figures crossed!!!!