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[Triana]

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[dchill]

1. Enough bootlicking in one paragraph...

To justify NEVER voting for her.

[Jitter65]

71. Afraid to show the entire speech because it doesn't fit your position?

You cut it off right before she blamed the real culprits.

[dchill]

92. EVERYTHING I know fits my position.

If you can say the same, then one of us is being dishonest. It ain't me.

[LexVegas]

2. Losing hurts, huh? nt

[Triana]

6. This will hurt EVERYONE

Glad you delight in that.

[pinebox]

14. You built this.

[tk2kewl]

27. it's just a game to some i guess...

unfortunately to others losing at this game means not getting to see a doctor, not heating their home, not getting the medication they need, not be able to afford an education...

[casperthegm]

31. You want to see the divide in the Democratic party?

Look at the responses to this paragraph in the OP. That anyone thinks this is not a big deal, or really a deal-breaker, speaks volumes to the direction that this party has shifted. The posts that try to claim that HRC is in some way remotely progressive is laughable. And pretty damn insulting.

[Sparkly]

38. That anyone thinks it's real speaks volumes.

Sorry if the truth insults you.

[casperthegm]

44. Real or not, I think it's safe to assume it's a close approximation

But I don't expect you to agree. What I'd be curious to know is, if by remote chance, this actually was close to what she said, how would this affect your view of her?

[Sparkly]

45. Assume what you want to assume.

I don't believe it is a "close approximation."

[casperthegm]

47. Yes, we clearly have differing views of your candidate

But my question remains; If she had said something along those lines, would that change your opinion of her?

[Sparkly]

48. Of course it would. nt

[casperthegm]

50. Thank you

There's hope for you yet Sparkly.

[workinclasszero]

73. Hillary Clinton is a Hard-Core Liberal.

http://ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

[casperthegm]

74. yes, we saw the chart yesterday

It is a pretty chart, I'll give you that. Can you tell me where on the chart we'd find Clinton's support for fracking? How about her support for trade deals that send our jobs overseas? How about the plot on the chart that shows her support for a no fly zone in Syria? Or the speeches to Wall Street, money from super pacs, opposition to free college for all, opposition to Glass Steagall, and opposition to healthcare for all?

Where exactly do all of those things fall on that pretty chart?

[PufPuf23]

49. Glad you care so much about the Democratic party and nation.

I checked my sarcasm at the door for this post folks.

[RadiationTherapy]

59. Losing doesn't hurt me, because I'm an adult. This economy very much does hurt me

because I am an adult with actual responsibilities and difficulties.

[whatchamacallit]

61. This exemplifies the rot at the core of her campaign

"Fuck what's good for the country, I'm with her!"

[Orsino]

62. But winning seems likely to hurt a lot more people.

Congratulations, though, on your newfound wealth.

[tabasco]

64. Losing one's principles and morality hurts more than losing an election,

doesn't it?

[roguevalley]

68. losing hurts. huh? You must be made of money to have that response to this.

[mooseprime]

3. and the quote

is only a single sentence.

who destroyed the economy? our bad!

[basselope]

4. Do we have proof that statement is from one of her speeches?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

11. No. Just a graphic.

Some people are quite gullible.

[lagomorph777]

86. I guess we'll have to wait until Trump releases the audio

I'm sure it'll be in there, along with lots of other gems.

This is what the banksters bought with the money they stole from us.

[CrispyQ]

5. I don't know if there's a clothespin strong enough to clamp on my nose to vote for her.

This comment about putting Slick Willy in charge of trade agreements may have been the final straw.

[Triana]

7. Seriously.

I had enough of his goddamned free trade agreements the first time. NO MORE!

[Vinca]

8. Holy shiite. That's actually worse than I thought.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

9. Abraham Lincoln addressed this.

This isn't the first time this has been posted as fact with ZERO proof it was ever said. I googled the whole phrase, and there is nothing. But hey, let's believe a graphic with words next to it... It must be true.

[NurseJackie]

10. I always trust memes with mispelled words! HA! :-P

Amateurs!

[Sparkly]

12. There is zero proof she said this.

[Doctor_J]

30. Well, if she would release the transcripts, then we would all know

You would think she would want to dispel all of these rumors.

[COLGATE4]

36. Probably because she, and most Democrats don't give a shit about the rumors?

[Sparkly]

40. People just want more material to misquote, snip up, take out of context,

twist, falsely paraphrase, and whip up into a big "Scandal."

She's not playin'.

[beaglelover]

39. Are you surprised they might be lying?

[Sparkly]

41. I'm surprised the post is still up.

This is DU?!

[Jitter65]

13. Sorry, but you only played a portion of her speech. And yes, mortgage applicants who paid extra fees

to get around income requirement knew exactly what they were doing...lying to themselves and legal requirements. Sometimes people who know right from wrong need to accept responsibility for their actions. However, if you signed fake documents and unknowingly signed illegal documents those handling your transactions are mostly to blame. Hillary said there was enough blame to go around but the video was conveniently cut at the point where she was going to identify the others to blame. Nice try!

The real damage came as those mortgages were bundled and re-sold and re-bundled and re-sold so that your mortgage ended up god knows where. That is what crashed the markets and hurt the pension funds and others who relied on those inflated deals.

[lagomorph777]

90. Wow, a bankster could not have said it better.

Very nice. Blame the people whose houses were stolen by the banks.

[pinebox]

15. Just like when Hillary blamed the housing crisis on the homeowners

Hell no and #HillNo!

[Sparkly]

22. Unbelievable editing.

Incredible that anyone would do this, and that anyone else would believe it, except in the world of right-wingers.

[pinebox]

57. It's amazing how much you Hillary supporters pass on facts

and think every single call out to Hillary is a RW attack. She built this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511024747

She blamed home owners. Period. Full stop.

[Sparkly]

70. Again, clipped snipped and edited out of context.

It's amazing what Sanders supporters believe when it fits their opinions.

[pinebox]

75. This has been well documented with what Hillary said

and you refuse reality. It's typical. Hillary can never do anything wrong is your eyes. You're blinded by your fantasy.
Sorry to crush your rose colored glasses but here's the full speech.
Welcome to reality.

[Sparkly]

77. Watch the WHOLE speech.

[jack_krass]

91. No editing, just her exact words.

[senz]

66. The video says virtually the same thing as the quote. Same attitude & reasoning.

[Triana]

97. Yep. n/t

[JackRiddler]

21. Bear Stearns? 2008?! I don't think so!

Though it's more than plausible she said stuff like this, given both her politics and her penchant to pander, there is no basis for thinking this is a real quote.

[Demsrule86]

83. smells

like bullshit

[Sparkly]

23. "face reality?" Yeah, this made-up 'quote' is reality.

[pdsimdars]

79. Down into the sand or up their . . . . . .

[Tarc]

17. Are Sanders fans really so misguided that they swallowed this?

The OP's image can't spell "Bear Stearns", and the youtube video is horribly and obviously edited to fit the agenda.

[Sparkly]

18. Here's another FAKE "Speech Transcript"

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-goldman-sachs/

Way to "catapult the propaganda!"

[JackRiddler]

24. That one is clearly labeled satire.

And it's spot-on.

And if people are stupid enough to distribute it as if it were real, that's on them, not the writer.

[Sparkly]

29. Just saving the OP time for the next one.

[bunnies]

19. To be fair, theres no proof that she actually said whats in that graphic.

Could be true, could be bullshit.

[Octafish]

20. What Hillary tells the BIG WIGs

Hillary Clinton Speaks from Peter G. Peterson Institute on Foreign Aid

C-SPAN aired Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's remarks at the Peter G. Peterson Institute. Pete Peterson made billions as a private equity underwriter (PEU). He used $1 billion to establish his institute, focused on getting America's financial house of cards in order (without asking corporations or the rich to step up in any major way.)

[font color="green"]America believes government cannot do anything competently, thus the private sector is the answer. That goes for international development.[/font color]

SNIP...

That requires partners. Giants of philanthropy gathered in New York in 2009. This list included Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Pete Peterson, George Soros, David Rockefeller, and Oprah Winfrey.

SNIP...

Clinton stated in her talk:

[font color="green"][font size="5"]Aid chases need, investment chases opportunity.[/font size][/font color]

[font color="green"]She mentioned the Clinton Foundation as a partner. President Bill Clinton privatized government functions during his two terms, benefiting multiple private equity underwriters.[/font color]

CONTINUED...

http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/2010/01/hillary-clinton-speaks-from-peter-g.html

And money trumps peace.

[Sparkly]

26. There is nothing wrong with what she actually said.

This inaccurate paraphrasing and cut/paste tricky editing are flat out deceitful propaganda.

[Octafish]

52. ''Aid chases need, investment chases opportunity.''

That is what Ms. Clinton said. No cut and paste, no "flat out deceitful propaganda" other than cutting what she actually said.

You want propaganda? It's like what Ronald Reagan said: "Uh. Well. The business of America is business."

[Sparkly]

69. What is wrong with saying that?

Where there is need, foundations bring aid. Money seeks opportunities for investment. When capital is invested in areas of need, it benefits communities.

[deathrind]

37. This always...

"America believes government cannot do anything competently,"

Gives me laugh.

Because(most) of the same people who say that think the US Government is perfectly competent to declare war and use military force....

[Octafish]

53. ''War is a Racket.'' -- Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC

''War on Libya is War on Entire Africa.''

In 2010 Gaddafi offered to invest $97 billion in Africa to free it from Western influence, on condition that African states rid themselves of corruption and nepotism. Gaddafi always dreamed of a Developed, United Africa and was about to make that dream come true - and nothing is more terrifying to the West than a Developed, United Africa.

-- http://www.reunionblackfamily.com/apps/blog/show/7869956-war-on-libya-is-war-on-entire-africa-

Details from Libya: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511490184

[yourpaljoey]

60. I am surprised by the ugliness of her statement... I am also surprised that I am surprised

[senz]

67. She prefers the private sector to the public sector. Classic Republican.

She's no Democrat.

[Octafish]

93. That is the rational conclusion.

I guess the polite way to put it is she's a D who's done a lot to help move the Party into R territory.

[GoneFishin]

25. Now she wants those "ordinary citizens and consumers" to vote for her. Fuck her. nt

[arcane1]

28. That picture was posted a while back and I was unable to find any evidence of it.

She does include homeowners in the video, but there is no other reference to the quote in the picture anywhere that I could find.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if she actually said it, but I'm not going to claim she did so unless I see evidence for it.

[Nye Bevan]

32. She's so despicable, isn't she?

[Skinner]

33. Please provide evidence for the alleged Hillary Clinton quote in the meme in your OP.

All I was able to find was two "pins" from Pinterest.

If you cannot provide any evidence for the quote, I believe the honorable thing to do is self-delete.

[Hiraeth]

34. yes, thanks.

[procon]

51. Yeah, that's what popped up for me too. Both were Bernie fan collections. nt

[Sparkly]

82. Thank you, Skinner.

(Not clear who "U.S. Uncut" is either -- apparently an anonymous blog, so not a credible source.)

[puffy socks]

35. Oh sure

this is just stupid beyond reason.
oh well....continue on.

[randome]

42. This isn't the first time you 'revolutionaries' have embarrassed Sanders' name with this stupidity.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Armstead]

56. .................................................

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1949182

[bjo59]

43. So we're supposed to want a president who perceives those (awful) "ordinary citizens"

as a threat to the country and doesn't think the government should handle the economy? I would not vote for Hillary Clinton if she was the last person on earth. (And even if this meme is not an actual quote from HRC, there is more than enough in her record to support the veracity of the attitude conveyed in it.)

[felix_numinous]

46. Sociiopaths abound

and have invaded the party of the people. Cruel, cold and dangerous people have the gall to defend these policies. Some are saying these are certainly misquotes, a right wing conspiracy while others are just nakedly laughing in our faces.

[Armstead]

54. I suspect the quote is made up...BUT it shows her lack of judgement in not releasing them

If her speeches were truly innocuous, she is showing very poor political judgement in not just releasing them. It leads to such dark speculation, and assumptions that she must have something to hide in them.

They're not state secrets or anything. And her reasons for keeping them secret don't hold water.....She complains a special standard is being applied. -- Well, no other candidate made millions of dollars for speeches to banksters and big corporations just before running for president.

. Peope have a right to know what is in them since she is running for president.

[Triana]

95. She says the same thing (using different words) in the video at the link

IOW she blames the consumers whose votes she now wants for the 2008 derivatives crash.

We can detract from the issue of her blaming consumers for the 2008 crash instead of properly and appropriately blaming big banks and Wall St. - by grousing about what may be a made up quote saying the same thing SHE DID SAY in the video at the link (is that fake too?) only using different words.

OK. So. Grouse.

SHE. SAID. IT.

HOWEVER she said it - SHE. SAID. IT.

[Ferd Berfel]

55. and so continues the slow, steady and inevitable dip

of leaks in this sewer pipe.

The Republicans will track these down and dump them at a point where even her BFF at the DNC and on Wall Street won't be able to help her.

Unless of course she now has the eVoting machine companies on her side.

[Sheepshank]

58. NO LINK TO THE GRAPHIC....prove it, prove she said that

as for your quote from the article....how come you cut out this paragraph?

To her credit, Hillary Clinton did indeed give several detailed speeches criticizing Wall Street for the dishonest practices that led to the boom and burst of the subprime mortgage bubble. She also put forth a concrete proposal to crack down on predatory lending, although that bill died before even going to a committee vote.

And finally, how many times are anti Hillary people going to parse articles from UnCut and claim its an impartial, full truth outlet?

Piece of junk OP

[senz]

63. She knows she does not deserve our votes. No wonder she keeps the transcripts hidden.

[bettyellen]

65. This is a lie and you know it. Why not self delete?

[senz]

72. Clinton could clear this up by releasing the transcripts.

The coverup is often worse than the crime.

[Triana]

96. BINGO. n/t

[pdsimdars]

76. I posted that picture a while back and got hidden by a jury. Maybe they've "evolved"

[MineralMan]

85. That's true. The image was bogus then, and it's bogus now.

DU juries don't decide what is true. They just vote on whether something violates community standards. The jury for this post should have done what the one for your post did, actually.

The image is incorrect, and there is zero evidence that Hillary said any such thing. It's something created out of whole cloth.

[AgerolanAmerican]

78. now we see the violence inherent in the system

help help I'm being repressed!

[MineralMan]

80. There is zero evidence that she said that.

Anyone can create a graphic like that one. You should self-delete until you can back this up.

Thanks!

[pdsimdars]

81. And for those who doubt the quote, let's see the transcripts and prove it wrong!

I think I saw this quote YEARS ago too. I was shocked then as well

But show us the transcripts and prove us wrong.

Seems like they are always spreading lies about Bernie and WE have to prove their lies false, so now it's your turn to prove this false.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

87. I'm not saying you're a murderer...

But I don't see any proof to the contrary. Now it's your turn to prove this false. Show me the documents that prove you're not a murderer.

[Bread and Circus]

84. Is that a real, verifiable quote? That is a 47% statement....

Hard to believe it's true and if it is....it would seem like the kind of thing to go viral.

[MineralMan]

88. No, it's not, of course.

It's just some graphic someone created. Anyone can do it. It should not be here.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

89. It's not true.

Just a badly put together graphic. The quote doesn't exist anywhere but the OP's head.

[Warren DeMontague]

94. Ouch.

So if the whole speech is worth $225,000.00 that one paragraph is probably 10K or so of value, huh?

[Triana]

98. Her supporters are SPLITTING HAIRS. She says the same thing (using different words) in the video.

IOW she blames the consumers whose votes she now wants for the 2008 derivatives crash.

We can detract from the issue of her blaming consumers for the 2008 crash instead of properly and appropriately blaming big banks and Wall St. (and ONLY Big Banks and Wall St) - by grousing about what may be a made up quote saying the same thing SHE DID SAY in the video at the link (is that fake too?) only using different words.

OK. So. Grouse.

Grouse all you want but SHE. SAID. IT.

NOW. I will at Skinner's request "self-delete" this -- because her supporters can't handle the TRUTH about who she is (whatever WORDS she uses to blame consumers for Wall St.'s greed and destruction of the US economy).

[George II]

99. 12 seconds? TWELVE SECONDS? You folks find a clip of only 12 seconds and that is supposed....

...to mean something?

What about all the minutes before those TWELVE SECONDS and all the minutes after those TWELVE SECONDS?

Twelve seconds most likely taken out of context and it's presented as definitive!