2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIggy
(1,418 posts)however.. his effort here does not address why we have millions of eligible voters who don't show up on election day...
and for me, I'm not interested in doing the job of the DNC and the democratic party for them. THEY need to motivate people to vote. if they can't figure out just how to do that-- then that's obv another problem that needs to be addressed.
Charlotte Little
(658 posts)Parties are made up of people - us. They aren't some corporation doing a "job." This about our country. Do you want the Republican CITIZENS to out vote us? If your answer is no, then be part of the solution and not just someone who complains.
Michael Moore is dead on - and I've already gotten my coworker to register to vote. She's going to vote for the Democrat ticket all the way down and then I'm taking her out for a cocktail on me. Yup - I offered her a free cocktail and she jumped on board. It was that easy.
Iggy
(1,418 posts)since the DNC and democratic party in general appears to behave exactly like a giant corporation... i.e. the alleged need to raise and spend hundreds of millions of dollars on mostly negative campaigning (EU nation politicians prolly spend 1/500 of what is spent here-- and seem to do fine).
when Nader ran in 2000, the DNC attempted to block him (illegally) from getting on the ballot of several states-- in spite of the fact Nader had all of the req'd signatures needed. Nader had to sue (he won) to get on those state ballots... and the DNC wasted money on lawyers.. just like a big corporation does.
sorry, huge disconnect here between what you think is going on and what is actually going on.
Charlotte Little
(658 posts)doesn't make it so. Even if they behave like a corporation (in your opinion) doesn't mean they are. I've donated my money to the party and the cause I believe in so I'm part of the party, and personally, I don't care if they fight to keep others off the ballot. My point to you, is that you are choosing to be part of the party if you are Democrat (you could be an independent for all I know). But to claim that "they" (the DNC) needs to motivate folks better, you're just being lazy. YOU should go motivate others if you don't want Romney as our POTUS.
Oh and FYI, I watched the both the RNC & DNC conventions - the RNC was dreadful whereas the DNC was plenty motivating. People are just flat out lazy in this country and that is a the sad truth.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Yes, he took money from vote-splitting-conspiring-RePUKES as well as "paid REPUBLICAN volunteers" who were trying to split the vote AND HE FUCKING WELL KNEW IT. He KNEW they were RePUKES doing this, and he ALLOWED it. SO FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU NADER WHO HAD ZERO PRESIDENTIAL CREDENTIALS ANYHOW. FUCK NADER !!
Iggy
(1,418 posts)indicates Nader was in fact a success. if he were truly were a huge failure, we wouldn't be talking about him now.
Noted you obv don't want to talk about the rather horrible campaign skills/strategy of Al Gore-- which had he known what he was doing, he would have thrown a bone or two to the left-- thus appeasing them, getting their votes, and not allowing those very same voters to support Nader, which caused Gore to lose states-- like his own home state of Tennessee.
Gore's "strategy" was arrogant and dumb, and that's mainly why he lost.