HRC supporters are outraged that Bernie agreed to debate Trump b/c This shows up HRC for ducking

[amborin]

the debate she had agreed to and reneging on her promise to California. She promised voters, Bernie, California that she
would debate Bernie here.

How embarrassing it would be for her to find herself suddenly shut out of the debate between two presidential contenders. She'd be sidelined, and Bernie would be appearing all the more presidential. Then, to agree to debate at the last minute would appear equally embarrassing, as it would look as if she had been shamed into keeping her promise and scared of being sidelined.

Hence the outrage of HRC supporters. How dare Bernie act like a candidate, and how dare Bernie try to win the nomination!

[Press Virginia]

1. She won't do another debate for fear that the IG report will come up

It's the same reason she won't address the press directly

[Baobab]

60. She is both damaged goods and friends with Trump

and their daughters are best friends..

So that is a problematic conflict-of-interest situation.

the nation needs to move on, to protect us from a Trump Presidency.

[brush]

2. Haven't you heard? Trump called it off. He was just joking with Sanders

Sorta like Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown.

[yodermon]

11. More like Lucy pulling the ball away from herself.

[brush]

12. Okay, either way, the ball was pulled away.

[Merryland]

3. Karma has a way of coming around...

[SFnomad]

4. It would just show that BS was willing to be a tool for tRump n/t

[grasswire]

7. what, by exposing Trump as a fraud?

That would make Bernie a tool?

[SFnomad]

21. No, tRump using BS to attack Secretary Clinton, the soon to be Presumptive Democratic Nominee

makes BS look like a tool ... and by extension, the BS cheerleaders for supporting this.

[grasswire]

5. I don't think anyone invited HRC, did they?

She's pretty much made herself irrelevant.

[scscholar]

6. I haven't seen one word about her being invited?

Not a single one. How can you say she's ducking when they're the ones excluding her.

[Merryland]

8. She refused to debate Bernie in California

I would call that ducking.

[scscholar]

10. The primary is over so that wasn't valid

We're talking about this debate now that is excluding women.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. It isn't in California.

[reddread]

20. small state, mostly white

[Scuba]

93. Bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Love it!

[Myrina]

17. "now that it is excluding women"

How do you folks even look in the mirror without laughing at yourselves?


Got any more victim cards up your sleeve?

[SFnomad]

22. Hard to see this victim card, against the entire deck of them that BS and his cheerleaders played

[roguevalley]

78. sad

[arikara]

18. Yep

They're sexist because she's a woman and its her turn dammit!

Actually I think it more likely she was excluded because she already said she didn't want to debate. Bernie was all set to debate her and she changed her mind. Not likely the best move on her part, as she broke another promise and that makes her look bad. She could have used the time to get her message out, as well as to bash trump. But for some reason she chose not to.

[tazkcmo]

31. No, it's not.

She does not have the delegates and there are several states yet to vote. You don't have to like it but you do, as I've been told, have to Deal With It.

[Time for change]

74. She reneged on a promise to debate Bernie in CA

So now he's arranging to debate Trump. She's already said that she has better ways to spend her time.

[Demsrule86]

9. How embarrassing for the Bern

That Trump was joking...

[leftynyc]

13. I couldn't possibly care less

It's been obvious for some time he doesn't give a crap about the party he recently joined. Plus, donnie's campaign has already said the offer was a joke so Bernie just looks like a dupe.

[dana_b]

14. we have the largest electorate and everyone is

pinning so much on California that it makes NO sense NOT to have a debate here. I know that she wants this thing over with yesterday but we deserve a debate as much as Michigan or Nevada or any other state does. And yes, we have some of our own issues to deal with.

I say that Bernie should debate whoever shows up on that stage. If no one does, have another townhall - we'd definitely show up!

[Sheepshank]

19. HRC Supporters are outraged? Wow making up shit. I don't care if she debates of not

I personally happen to think it's a waste of time, resources and energy. That hardly qualifies as outrage

The two males left in this race could easily do their debate, and gang up on the only woman left in the race and hope it doesn't come back and bite them in the butt. That would be interesting to see, but that also does not qualify as outrage.

Outraged? errr no.

[amborin]

24. calling Bernie a Trump ally as many posts are stating

[Sheepshank]

25. Well that was a disjointed, off the cuff, completely unrelated to my post, post Nt

[Arkansas Granny]

23. Where did you see outrage? I musta missed it.

[riversedge]

26. quack quack-she ducked they say

[Arazi]

46. Here's another one that makes me laugh

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512062967

Poor dears

[Arazi]

30. This one makes me laugh the most

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512061968#post1

Indicative of many furious Hillary supporters today imo



Bernie's really got you all in a fury for accepting Trump's challenge when Hillary cowardly reneged

[NanceGreggs]

27. Actually ...

"How embarrassing it would be for her to find herself suddenly shut out of the debate between two presidential contenders."

You mean ONE presidential contender, don't you? Bernie hasn't been a "presidential contender" since March 15th, when it became obvious that he wouldn't be the nominee.

The only thing Bernie is now a contender for is the Best Performance by Someone Pretending He's Still a Contender award.

[Juneboarder]

32. Last time I checked...

the race is still on. Neither Bernie nor Hillary has been declared the nominee. With that being said, Bernie is still a contender. Oh wait... are you going to act just like Hillary and already declare her the candidate before the primary?

[NanceGreggs]

36. According to Bernie ...

... the race is still on. He's miles away from the finish line, HRC is within a few yards of that finish line, and Bernie is still saying he can "win this".

Other than pleading with the SDs to hand the nomination to the loser in the race, Bernie has no explanation as to how he gets to the finish line before the race is called.

I'm sure he is still a "contender" is his own mind - unfortunately, he's already lost and simply refuses to accept reality.

[Juneboarder]

37. To-may-to, To-mah-to

Bernie has gotten this far without the need to suppress voters, and has actually done a lot for getting many people in this country thinking in a very progressive way and seeing that the status quo doesn't necessarily have to be our future. Even if he doesn't win, this is definitely the start of a political revolution, and IMHO, Hillary doesn't have a chance when this revolution come into fruition. Hillary is merely a talking head for the corporations that run this country and thrives off telling us what we want to hear, when in all actuality she has all intentions of keeping things the way they have been.

We have the ability to do so much better in our country, and could progress our education, economy, and future into something truly beautiful if we actually wake up and start looking at the picture in whole rather than the "me! me! me!" philosophy.

[NanceGreggs]

39. There is no "revolution".

Bernie told the electorate that if they wanted a "revolution", they should vote for him and make him the nominee. They didn't.

If the "revolutionists" can't be bothered to go to the polls and cast a ballot for the "revolution", it seems pretty obvious they aren't going to do anything even more strenuous to bring that revolution to fruition.

Revolutions don't start with someone saying "I will lead you", when the voters say "thanks, but no thanks".

[Juneboarder]

41. Yes there is a revolution ...

More and more people are seeing things from a progressive point of view rather than burying their heads in the sand and trust what corporate America tells us is good for us. It may take some time, but the younger generations are seeing and living through the struggles that corporatocracy is putting us through and plenty of people are sick tired of this status quo.

[NanceGreggs]

84. Thanks for the usual list of cliches.

If there is a "revolution", apparently no one told the revolutionists to get off their asses and vote for Bernie.

[Juneboarder]

85. Oh. Really?

Is that why Hillary and her supporters are doing everything in their power to declare her as the nominee before the convention?

***sticks fingers in ears***

Lalalalalala... I can't hear you!

Let me pose this question to you. If Hillary were doing so great, then why is she feeling the heat from Bernie giving her a run for her money?

[NanceGreggs]

86. She is the nominee ...

... because Bernie cannot overcome her delegate/vote lead. You know - the math.

Who said Hillary is "feeling the heat from Bernie"? And given how Bernie's donations have dried up, he isn't in a position to give anyone a "run for the money"; that's because he doesn't have any.

[Juneboarder]

94. Hopefully ...

Your "nominee" isn't indicted.

[pnwmom]

48. Except most of his wins came in caucuses that suppress voting by design.

In my state, for example, more than three times as many voters participated in the primary that Hillary won -- and yet all of the delegates will be assigned according to the caucuses that Bernie won.

[Juneboarder]

49. We could go back and forth all night over this.

What about all the wins from the Hillary camp where there was obvious voter suppression from the powers that be in the Democratic Party that simply want Hillary to keep the status quo? Heaven forbid we get someone into office that wants to change matters rather than put band-aids over everything?

[pnwmom]

51. Obvious voter suppression? Like in Arizona, in the county with the most Latinos,

where the voter suppression -- by the GOP -- hurt Hillary the most?

Or do you mean in NY, where the purged voters came from one of the 5 boroughs where Hillary had her strongest support (as opposed to one of the upstate counties where Bernie got the most votes)?

Or do you consider it voter suppression when voters have to check off a box saying they're Democrats? Are you aware that Hillary won all but 4 of the OPEN primaries?

And I don't know how you think Bernie will get his huge changes through Congress, when he's barely been lifting a finger to help downticket. (Yes, he now has endorsed a few people.)

[redwitch]

42. She agreed to a CA debate right?

So why won't she do it?

[Juneboarder]

47. Good question ...

It's a shame some folks ignore the glaring obvious...

[NanceGreggs]

50. Because she already has the nomination.

Why waste time "debating" Bernie - who invariably just trots out the same talking points he's been spewing for three decades - when she can use her time more effectively?

Bernie is out of money, and can't afford to buy the publicity necessary in California. Why should Hillary agree to another debate - which is free publicity for him, and does nothing for her but waste her time?

[redwitch]

53. Sigh.

No. She does not.

The same talking points he's been spewing for 3 fucking decades FIGHTING FOR THE AVERAGE AMERICAN? I hope he is able to continue spewing for the next 3 decades and someone will pick up where he leaves off.

He is still in this thing and you will just have to deal with it.

[NanceGreggs]

56. He's only still "in this thing" ...

... in his own mind.

The People have spoken: Hillary is the nominee. Just because Bernie can't "deal with that reality" doesn't make it any less real.

[redwitch]

58. Is this the unity part of the program?

I think we have crossed the Rubicon. Good luck.

[NanceGreggs]

61. Unity will be achieved ...

... when Democrats realize that it's HRC v Trump, and they pick a side between the two.

The vast majority of Democrats will get behind Hillary - the handful of Bernie-or-Bust idiots will stand on the sidelines and whine.

[mac56]

67. Keep dreaming.

If Hillary decided she needs unity after all, her fan club has a damn odd way of showing it.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

[NanceGreggs]

71. Yeah, because the average voter ...

... won't get behind Hillary because somebody said something mean to them on the internet.

[mac56]

75. What's puzzling is how oblivious Hillary supporters are

to how they're being perceived. Yes, even by "the average voter."

[Android3.14]

57. The hare and the tortoise

The reason the story endures is because it occasionally happens. Maybe it will happen this time.

You're damn right this race is still on.

[NanceGreggs]

59. This "race" has a timeline ...

... and finite number of delegates.

If you have information as to how Bernie goes to the Convention with the majority of delegates/votes, please enlighten the rest of us.

[Android3.14]

63. Things happen fast. Better pay attention

You know why we have the word "long shot"?

Because on occasion, the long shot wins.

[NanceGreggs]

65. Fine.

Enlighten us all as to how the "long shot" wins in this case.

[Android3.14]

66. If enough of the right people vote for the sake of the good, Bernie wins

It can happen.

[NanceGreggs]

68. Explain how.

He's almost 300 delegates and millions of voters behind.

So explain how he "wins".

[Android3.14]

88. He wins when more delegates vote for him. Is this mic on?

You do know how primaries are supposed to work? The advantage you reference is only that, an advantage (along with the advantage of huge corporate backing, preferential treatment and shady vote suppression).

We are nearing the end game where anything can happen, Sure, one team seems to be ahead and the referee is bought, but sometimes heart, determination, and broad enthusiasm will beat those odds.

And then there is the general election. Trump has all the advantages going into the general. Clinton only motivates independents and Republicans to vote against her.

I assume you voted for Clinton in the primary, but hindsight shows you were actually voting for Trump.

[mac56]

69. Ah, yup.

[Live and Learn]

87. Love it. +10,000 nt

[pnwmom]

43. But you forgot to check your math problem. n/t

[Juneboarder]

45. No actually I didn't. N/t

[B Calm]

28. K&R Spot On! She was PUNKED for being a lily-livered, chicken-hearted, too afraid

to debate coward!

[Trust Buster]

29. The Democratic voters did not choose Sanders to represent us.

[B Calm]

33. You're saying they went with the DNC oligarchy choice who gave her over 500 SD's

before the first vote was cast in Iowa.

[Juneboarder]

34. Hillary chose...

to go back on her promise for a CA debate. That's on her, not on Bernie.

[Trust Buster]

35. Another example of Sanders and his supporters phoniness. They constantly tell us that the

primaries aren't over and that we can't presume that Hillary is the nominee. Can you imagine what their reaction would be if Hillary was negotiating a debate with Trump instead ? Their heads would explode. They would claim that she was being arrogant assuming that she was the nominee. They're total hypocrites in everything they do. Just like the far Right.

[bvf]

38. Funny to see such disjointed mishmash

used as boilerplate. You could use some new material. Don't worry--it's probably on its way.

[Trust Buster]

40. It's totally accurate and you know it. If Hillary were negotiating this early with Trump for a

debate, Sanders and his minions would be exploding with outrage. That's the main reason Sanders lost IMO. Both he and his minions are phony hypocrites.

[bvf]

82. I'd sort of enjoy it.

It's a bullshit scenario, though. Sanders would never act the coward Clinton was here, by running away the way she did.

Clinton actually inviting a debate? Makes me laugh even to consider it. The though of Trump throwing a few choice "Crooked Hillary"s out there, even more so. The more her mug even appears on TV, the less it seems people like her.

[Arazi]

44. Hillary reneged. Trump simply capitalized on her cowardice eom

[LenaBaby61]

52. June 14th ....

Can't come soon enough

[JEB]

54. Bernie is pivoting to the general election.

Trump better be ready for a dose of reality and I don't mean reality TV.

[Shadowflash]

55. Yup.

HRC's too chicken to debate Sanders, so someone had to take up her slack.

[oldandhappy]

62. hilarious!

[Vote2016]

64. The truth stings a bit.

[AgingAmerican]

70. That is pretty obvious

They don't hide their frustrations well. This one is turning out to be just as petty as their Pope meltdown.

[jwirr]

72. I think we can be quite sure that Hillary is not going to want

to debate anything after tonight and the release of the IG report. She is not going to want anyone to ask her anything about the email server.

[retrowire]

73. Absolutely. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

76. That Bernie is a pretty cagey politician. She underestimates his

ability to play the game.

[doc03]

79. Its a win win for Trump he gets to call Bernie crazy and he will dominate the news

for days. If Bernie does this he is an ass.

[Cheese Sandwich]

80. It's still a win for Hillary. Bernie will be out front smacking down Trump

It will fold Bernie voters into the Democratic Party, make Trump look dumb, and Hillary gets to stay above the fray and she already has the nomination virtually locked up. Unless she gets indicted.

[danimich1]

81. It doesn't matter what he does at this point

Clinton supporters will call it sexist or something else negative.

You know, he could meet with the Pope and they'd criticize it!

[B Calm]

90. He could meet with the Pope and they'd criticize it, spot on! LOL

[Trajan]

83. Well we all know

Bernie is always looking for a debate ... He wins every one of them ...

[HereSince1628]

89. They act like he's violated the Constitution...but there are no rules about who debates who

There -ARE- rules about handling digital communications but THOSE rules don't matter, and THEY aren't upset about those.

The nonexistent rules about which Dem gets to debate the Republican are somehow much more important than actually well developed and clearly communicated policy around protection of national communication. Or for that matter, the obfuscation which we now know has borderd on lying for at least a year. That stuff is trivial and to be ignored

So what gives with the outrage??? IMAGE. Sanders wouldn't look like a loser, indeed, he'd look like a capable nominee.

The -REAL- problem for them is that when debating Trump, Sanders would not just look like a candidate taken seriously by a republican. It would be that he'd look like nominee that better knows the issues than Trump. THAT's infuriating because THAT would validate Sanders' oft repeated suggestion that he's the guy who should be picked to challenge Trump.

[Demsrule86]

91. You know I am pretty much done with this shite now

I hope it backfires big time on Bernie...he deserves it. I despise the guy and consider him a rat for risking our general...and that is all that can be said about that. Bernie is in it for Bernie...and cares nothing for his revolution or the American people who suffer for a generation under a Trump presidency. I am out of GDP with a little over a week left now before Bernie officially loses. I can't stand to see people who are basically sore losers hurting our chances in the GE...this is not a game. And don't tell me how Bernie would beat Trump...he wouldn't. He will never win Ohio, Florida or Virginia-among other states...not after the GOP finished with his swiftboating. He won't be the nominee so thankfully we still have a chance. Enjoy your debate with the Anit-Roosevelt (helping to unwind all the Roosevelt did in one election!) and the nutter that thinks nukes are a legitimate way to wage war. Enjoy the last painful gasp of a primary that went on way too long and did little but give Bernie Sanders the taste of the good life and an ego trip the rest of us may never recover from.

[Fairgo]

92. I am laughing

at the impotent rage. Stomp. Stomp. Stomp. Froth and foam. Puffed up with empty threats and gassy self importance, railing against the outrage of coronation denied with all the fury and effect of a prolonged popcorn fart.

[Babel_17]

95. Yup

I approve this post.

[Orsino]

96. Another goddamned "supporters" thread. n/t

[Sheepshank]

97. She doesn't need to enter into a debate to win the Primary

and Bernie continues along the road of bilking his donors with the false hope that he can win, by entering into a debate that does nothing to help the Democratic party and instead causes further division. It's what he has done since day 1...insert multiple wedges.

[Time for change]

98. Great point

All that outrage, and there is no one to blame for the situation their candidate is in but the candidate herself. So they have to make up reasons to be outraged at Bernie instead -- even though the Trump/Bernie debate would help Hillary greatly in the event that she should be the nominee.