2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe FBI case against Hillary is NOT a RW smear!
Let's get this straight right here, right now.
I';ve seen this said many times by Hillary supporters here on DU over the last few days who are new here.
You are getting the Judicial Watch case mixed up with the FBI investigation. These are 2 VERY DIFFERENT cases, one is criminal and one is civil. Judicial Watch is a RW org and is NOT the FBI in any way shape or form.
The FBI falls under the jurisdiction of the Obama administration.
Let's clean the air with this.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)Accuracy matters.
You know what I mean though. These aren't the same things and some think they are. An investigation in LE circles = building a case. Just a FYI
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"An investigation in LE circles = building a case..."
Also used to rule out parties. FYI, part II.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)'You know what I mean' is pure dog-whistle politics.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Uh pay attention http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2109519 The FBI case is NOT a RW smear.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)Read it again.. YOU are wrong, as was the OP.
The FBI investigates and sometimes those investigations result in a case consisting of evidence being developed against an individual or individuals--and which may or may not result in charges and thus, prosecution. However an investigation is just that--an inquiry-- and its outcome is not predetermined despite all the hype to the contrary from her detractors.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Investigations are part of the case building process.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)includes charges brought or about to be brought against the individual. Even you admitted your error and it is a big one. These terms matter. Be accurate or you should be considered a hype-monger.
You're splitting hairs, I've said this. The FBI is working a case against Hillary right now. That is what the instigation is.
Now that being said, my OP isn't about that is it? No. So let's stay on topic.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Because of a Republican Congress.
Period.
Millions wasted propping up the RIGHT WING, yet again.
This time cheered on by The 'Not Hillary' Party.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)prompting is the point.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)in the IC IG office.
TimPlo
(443 posts)Because your post sounds very sure that is happening. Or are you just making some kinda of prediction? If the latter then might want to word it better.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Absolutely no way.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Nope, they aren't.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)unless the FBI issues an indictment, a prospect which some of us view as less likely than you do.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Investigation is case building.
However that is NOT the issue here. The issue here is people getting the 2 mixed up between the FBI and Judicial Watch and how some call the FBI investigation a RW smear.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)At least not yet, "less likely" does not mean "won't happen" and it does leave the issue open for concern and discussion for those who are concerned.
I agree with the OP. It's not a right wing smear. I just am not getting into it until/if there is an indictment, because it may come up with no indictment, in which case, it won't have any affect on the election or her being POTUS if she wins. I am however keeping my eyes and ears open to where it leads. So I do read any discussion here about it.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)or something.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)as if they are just making up work to justify a paycheck
TimPlo
(443 posts)As they have released very little info on the whole thing we don't really know. They could have a case against her on the Server, and are currently investigating some other thing they found in deleted email. Anything you or anyone else say about the case on DU is just speculation from either side of the issue.
madokie
(51,076 posts)the attorney general hands down an indictment based on that recommendation.
Marr
(20,317 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)beaglelover
(3,489 posts)LOL!!!
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)It takes a while for law enforcement to build their case. This isn't CSI: Miami where the case is solved in one hour. The recommendation for indictment will be forthcoming, at which point you will regret your constant mocking of the Indictment Fairy.
beaglelover
(3,489 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)I've said on here I don't wish to see her indicted several times but I suppose you missed that.
My point stands, the FBI is NOT a RW smear
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)that."
nope. saw it..Its just not believable .
Matt_R
(456 posts)or out in public by FOIA requests so that we may be able to see what is behind the curtains.
I don't know if you read the emails, but there are quite a few backroom deals in the publicly available Clinton emails at wikileaks. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the public should have the right to see things as they happen but if it does not compromise a government operation/situation/national security/international treaty in talks... we should know about it.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)When your campaign can't even use the proper label for what's going on, it's bad news.
And although JW's motivations are no doubt RW, FOIA is FOIA. The public actually does have a right to know, and the testimony given in deposition isn't tainted by the motivations of the people who brought the suit. Scream "RW smear!" all you want, Mills' deposition did not make Hillary look good.
840high
(17,196 posts)all I could do is shake my head.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)In my 5 months, that has become crystal clear.
Just like Fox rarely eats its own, why would the liberal media go after her?
So the truth has to be found somewhere. But let's all continue to act like the Right has never had an accurate news story.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I know
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beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)judicial watch is a smear outfit
just like an investigation into jane sanders is not an indictment or a case
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)"I made it clear that Im more than ready to talk to anybody, anytime, and Ive encouraged all of my assistants to be very forthcoming.
And, they haven't even bothered to talk to her.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)made by any citizen to my knowledge. The name kind of spells it out .
There has not been cooperation thus the struggle.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Investigations are part of the case building process.
My point stands with what I said, the FBI investigation is NOT a RW smear
840high
(17,196 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)It is a RW and Sanders camp smear. Each group is using the case to further their own political aims, rather than possessing a genuine interest in the issue of email security.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Add in the female card, and it's a threefer.
Yeah, nobody cares. That must be the fourthfer.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Yes.
840high
(17,196 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)when the org falls under the Obama administration.
Sorry but this isn't the Judicial Watch case
Tarc
(10,476 posts)The FBI investigation is what it is. It is the wild uninformed, at times bloodthirsty wolves one the sidelines who pore over every scrip and scrap of information that flutters from the investigation. These are the Trump and the Sanders people, who come up with absurdities like RICO, "gross misconduct" statues, and so on. These are the people that hope and wish and pray that te FBI investigation will lead to something dire....Trump because he is a d-bag, Sanders because it is is hail Marry, 11th-Hour unicorn & rainbow ticket to the nomination
You're an armchair...or computer chair, as it were...quarterback, mr. pine.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)but we have a candidate who is running for POTUS whom is being investigated by the damn FBI.
Who else is being investigated? It's all a conspiracy against Hillary, right? lol
Tarc
(10,476 posts)...say, Cuba and 1980's Nicaragua, such a candidate would be presumed guilty, tried, and condemned in one motion.
We do things a little differently in the USA, though...
You mean this Cuba? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/salim-lamrani/cubas-health-care-system-_b_5649968.html
Ya we sure do things differently here in a system that allows for poor people to remain poor, but because I can.....
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Ooops.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Let Obama and the FBI do their jobs. That's not the smear aspect. Never has been. Interesting the angle you take to justify the train wreck of deceptive and dishonest commentary that is coming from the right.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)That there would be a certain amount of poetic justice if the matter was indeed one.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)There's more.
840high
(17,196 posts)also gone after republicans.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Why is it that only democrats have "leaks" about investigations? Because the right wing leaks anything about them.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)that you all don't understand that the FBI falls under the Obama administration.
This is no RW smear. It's a criminal investigation.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Just with a grant of immunity to a guy who keeps claiming the 5th
840high
(17,196 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)That they are doing anything. This is common sense. The fact that it was leaked, the fact that Comey actually has press conferences about this is absolutely stupid and wrong.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Should we not know if the FBI is investigating a public official in relation to things that happened while they were in office?
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)This whole thing is way beyond stupid already.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Same with McAuliffe who is actually a really good governor.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)pretty important.
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)You're down to a matter of days when you still have the chance to do so.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)I'm sure they'll be relieved
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)I'm sure if anyone from the FBI reads DU, they'll be sorry to see a source of laugh-inducing entertainment disappear.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)There are 2 different things happening, people are getting them mixed up. Not selling anything, just correcting people.
The FBI investigation won't end in days I don't think, sorry.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)I haven't read anyone here, except Sanders supporters, simply admit they have some concerns and reservations about the investigation.
That don't jive.
840high
(17,196 posts)that I thought were intelligent have made me change my mind.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)There are more than one cited poster that was adamant against her in 08 and oh my lord, now just love HRC unconditionally.
I don't know how you about-face like that and have any modicum of integrity left.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)ACLU v. Department of State - WikiLeaks FOIA Lawsuit Complaint
https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/aclu-v-department-state-wikileaks-foia-lawsuit-complaint
http://foiaproject.org/lawsuit/
Seeking transparency isn't partisan. It's the spin connected to the search that can be. Department of State documents do not have an agenda of their own.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)- how casually people repeat these lines, from
the common HRC meme, whenever the topic comes up
- others did it
- colin powell did it
- no crimes committed
- rw smear rw concoction
- no big deal and every variation of that..
WHen I finally started reading the (condensed version) of Paul Thompson's timeline, it was like:
holy shit. no way she will be the president.
just from the simple facts.. winning the election seems an impossibility.
I think her crew and fans are simply not willing to look at facts.
But I'm a little baffled by her close team, that they aren't smarter.
Maybe willfully being stupid while simultaneously knowing & denying.
Because when I look at DWS' face, I see crazy scared eyes. I'd even say a touch of veiled terror.
Behind the scenes, they might be trying every possible angle, bribery,
threats, tears, to avoid any criminal findings, or even any censure. It's
all balanced precariously on one very unstable pin & keeping fingers
crossed it's only a bad dream, not a REAL monster... believe it's not coming
to eat them, though it comes closer and closer, its shadow looms and
threatens.. gets harder to pretend it isn't real, because other people are
starting to notice it. It seems to be licking its chops but that might be
just a drool problem.. an imaginary one of course, .. anyway she's already
won hahahahaha its a rightwing dream that there is a monster and you
all are going to elect donald trump.