2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie or Bust equals a pro-Trump movement after the convention if BS in not the nominee
who do they think will win if the majority of democrats and left leaning independent don't rally around Hillary? Is anyone under the illusion that if they stay home, write-in or do anything in November other than vote for Hillary that they are not doing everything in their power to prevent Trump from being nominated?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Not enough of them to impact the election.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)The GOP nominated the person with the HIGHEST negatives to EVER run for President since they began polling it. The man is a moron, clown and general boob of the highest order that nobody likes. Not even in his OWN party.
Yet given all this, HRC is BARELY running even with him in the polls, so far.
And, yet, it will be the SANDERS supporters who will be at fault, if she loses!?!
Haha! Good luck with THAT narrative.
qdouble
(891 posts)Sanders supporters not voting for the democratic nominee in November means that those supporters rather have Trump than Hillary... which equals Bernie or Trump. Let's call them BOTs.
Right.
I think the blame should, and will, be placed at the feet of the people who voted to nominate the ONE candidate that can't even beat the most hated person to EVER run for president.
The people who do everything they can to not help the opposition to Trump deserve the blame in the unlikely event that Trump wins. I'm not worried that Hillary will lose, just stating the truth that making no effort to stop Trump after the primary means that you're either pro-Trump or indifferent.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)...what is even the point of this thread? To lay blame on people for something that isn't going to happen?
Also, see reply number 5. Our numbers are, apparently, not enough to make any difference, (according to that poster and a LOT of others I see) so you can't really lay the blame at our feet, can you?
qdouble
(891 posts)However, after Bernie drops out and supports her and when Obama and other popular dems come out and support her... and when everyone gets reminded of all the batshit insane stuff that Trump has said... I seriously doubt Hillary will lose.
However, even if there is only 10-20 percent chance of Trump winning, we shouldn't take it for granted and not act like it is dangerous for Democrats to sit out of this election because of sour grapes. Stating the facts that not voting against Trump means that you're either pro-Trump or indifferent doesn't mean that I'm preemptively blaming them, I'm just stating the facts.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)that we are in the process of nominating a candidate that, so far, is going to struggle to beat the most moronic and hated person to run for president since they started polling.
I did my best to AVOID this situation and voted for Sanders in the primary. The rest is on you.
qdouble
(891 posts)but not after if your favorite candidate loses?
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)Where a write in is given full weight just like a name listed on a ballot? Those states are Vermont, Wyoming, Oregon, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Iowa, Delaware, and Alabama. Thirty-five states require that a write-in candidate must submit some form of affidavit and, sometimes, a filing fee at least one month before the election. Only 7 states ignore write ins. I personally feel writing in Sanders makes perfectly good sense.
qdouble
(891 posts)I specifically asked is if anyone was under the illusion that Bernie would win the election via write-ins? If you know that writing in Bernie is not going to give him any realistic chance of winning, it simply means that you are not doing everything you can to make sure Trump doesn't get elected after the primary.... which would be to vote for the democratic nominee. No one else will have a serious chance.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)after they failed to do everything they could to make sure Trump isn't elected. They mistakenly believe a "D" by my name makes me their puppet and a brick in their firewall. They are mistaken. It's called being on the record.
qdouble
(891 posts)you're perfectly fine with Trump becoming president? Or you just don't care what happens to our country if Bernie loses?
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)and let me deal with mine? Because my motivations are none of your fucking business.
qdouble
(891 posts)Hypocrite much?
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)try reading for comprehension...
qdouble
(891 posts)If you don't want to state your motivation, it's fine. Being extremely rude because you were asked a question on a message board is still uncalled for... but do you.