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McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:27 AM Jun 2016

Why the GOP Will Stage a Coup Against Trump at the Convention

Trump can't win. When he called a born in the US judge with a Latino sounding name a "Mexican" he made sure that he could not win. There is no math in the world that comes up with anything but a Trump loss. He is mobilizing Hispanics to register to vote--against him. Clinton probably will not even have to select a Latino running mate now. Now she can pick Elizabeth Warren and make the liberal base happy while not entirely pissing off conservatives because once upon a time, Warren was a member of the GOP.

Before he inserted his foot into his mouth, there were a fair number of conservatives born in the US of Hispanic origin who might have considered Trump. Or, at least, considered staying home. But not any more. He made it personal. So personal that his name at the top of the ticket could cost the GOP Texas, Florida, Arizona---

Remember what Obama did to Black voter turn out? Trump is doing it with Latinos. If he went into this hoping to rake in lots of Citizens United dollars, he might as well give up, because Big Business knows that if it backs Trump, Clinton will put two more liberals on the SCOTUS--and then the Federalists' dream will go up in smoke. A loser can not pay back his campaign donors---and Trump has loser written all over him.

So, all the Republicans who are endorsing Clinton---don't let them fool you. Right now, they are sitting in a smoke filled room writing the script for the coup. Who will ride in on a white horse to save the GOP? I guessing they will draft Chuck Hagel. That would make two former Obama administration officials running against each other for their former boss' job. And the general election could be close and fierce. Hagel is no conservative GOP dream candidate. But his SCOTUS nominees will be business friendly---and that is what business wants.

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Why the GOP Will Stage a Coup Against Trump at the Convention (Original Post) McCamy Taylor Jun 2016 OP
Trump's delegates are all people who strongly support him, and are excited John Poet Jun 2016 #1
Still think the Alzheimer's issue will be Trump's Trexit, bowing out with everyone's sympathy. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #2
That would depend on two things: Ken Burch Jun 2016 #3
Didn't Ronald Reagan run and win with Alzheimer's? Nt ecstatic Jun 2016 #15
It was well hidden and early in 1984, I would say. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #17
Trump has the majority of pledged delegates. joshcryer Jun 2016 #4
And he will share it in a speech JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #5
Yup. joshcryer Jun 2016 #6
He already said he used his own money for campaign. That's a loan & with a 25%? interest rate Sunlei Jun 2016 #7
I don't doubt that many republicans are seeing the writing on the wall about Trump workinclasszero Jun 2016 #8
Your assessment offers no explanation of HOW they'll pull this off. brooklynite Jun 2016 #9
This: How is Donald Trump Going to Quit (when, not if) Native Jun 2016 #10
the family excuse works for me. eom Hiraeth Jun 2016 #12
The GOP considers Hagel a sell-out; they're not going to pick him. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #11
Hagel would be a sane reasonable choice for the Republican candidacy 0rganism Jun 2016 #13
I don't think they'll attempt to replace him. okasha Jun 2016 #14
I think they are plumb stuck with him. It will be a worse defeat downline if they push him out. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #16
 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
1. Trump's delegates are all people who strongly support him, and are excited
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:39 AM
Jun 2016

by all the batshit crazy things which he has been saying. They dig him. You don't get elected to be a candidate's delegate otherwise. Pledged delegates are almost always entirely from the ranks of the "true believers" who would be among the last to bail on their candidate, no matter what.

So how is the GOP establishment going to change all their minds?


I don't see it happening.


L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
2. Still think the Alzheimer's issue will be Trump's Trexit, bowing out with everyone's sympathy.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:46 AM
Jun 2016

Trump gets to be great again.



And all those feet get extracted by his dentist ....

"What candidate could take on Hillary and win?" is their question to themselves. "Would a surprise candidate, an outsider, be advantageous?" might be a strategic ask. This cycle, a Beltway candidate is not the best bet. I think their pick is too tough to predict, but their coup against Trump is predictable.

I have not analyzed who Trump's delegates are, old GOP regulars or more guys like his Bundy militia gun-toting racist Obama haters like Jerry DeLumus. Are they GOP loyalists or Trump Tea Party newbies? That's a lot of people to look up and I'm not ready to accept generalized characterizations predicting their behavior without some research.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
3. That would depend on two things:
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:02 AM
Jun 2016

1)Trump's acceptance of such a diagnosis, assuming it is true(which would mean acknowledging, as he never has before, that he is an ordinary human capable of weakness and vincibility ), which would be contingent upon

2)Trump being aware of reality to grasp what the diagnoses truly means.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
17. It was well hidden and early in 1984, I would say.
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 12:26 AM
Jun 2016

I recall in 1985-86 in Central America, discussing his mental faculties and making some conclusions he would not have enjoyed hearing. Trump is more obvious at this point than Reagan was during the 1984 campaign.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
4. Trump has the majority of pledged delegates.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:23 AM
Jun 2016

It just seems utterly unlikely that he gets removed. He'd have to step down. This only happens, I think, if he's bribed for $5 billion or something.

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
5. And he will share it in a speech
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:37 AM
Jun 2016

Let me tell you Josh. This is huge. The thing is greatness. I can see Lake Ontario from my penthouse. And I'm getting another one. America. Did you know - they offered me $500 billion dollars to step down? My wife she's a ten and that makes America Great Again.

He will definitely make the number much much yuuuuuuger!

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
6. Yup.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:40 AM
Jun 2016

He'd ONLY step down if he got a bribe for it (billions of dollars) and he'd say "Nothing personal, just business."

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
7. He already said he used his own money for campaign. That's a loan & with a 25%? interest rate
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 09:07 AM
Jun 2016

will return huge profits.

To 'run for president' has become an investment, a wealth building opportunity for many republicans. None of them ever really lose.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
8. I don't doubt that many republicans are seeing the writing on the wall about Trump
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 09:20 AM
Jun 2016

Will they be bold enough to tell the hardcore baggers to F-OFF at their convention? I dunno.

It would cause a civil war in that party. The nutcases that are running the show on the right will have a YUUUUUGE meltdown over that!

Hate radio would be purple with RAGE!!!

Whoever they would insert in Trumps place would become instantly the object of the baggers hate and rage. What republican would want that job ? LOL

They would lose the general election the moment the old switcheroo went into effect and start the final days for their stinking party so I hope they go for it!

The creeps that don't like Trump are the very ones that made him possible so a plague on all their houses as far as I'm concerned!

Ride the tiger republicans!

brooklynite

(94,560 posts)
9. Your assessment offers no explanation of HOW they'll pull this off.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jun 2016

The Rules Committee isn't considering a change in the bound voting process, and there aren't enough anti-Trump members to issue a minority report.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
11. The GOP considers Hagel a sell-out; they're not going to pick him.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:10 PM
Jun 2016

And I doubt he would accept, if they did.

0rganism

(23,953 posts)
13. Hagel would be a sane reasonable choice for the Republican candidacy
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:27 PM
Jun 2016

which practically ensures he will not be selected and if he were to be selected, could not win due to anemic base turnout.

it's the Obama taint, that won't wash off anytime soon.

if the Republican elites try to push Hagel onto a party that voted largely for Trump, they will be disappointed. i think Hagel himself would turn down the nomination were it handed to him.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
14. I don't think they'll attempt to replace him.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jun 2016

The Republican Party, the institutional part of it, has already braced itself for a loss in November. They'll be badly beaten, they'll probably need two election cycles to recover, but they'll survive.

If they unseat Trump, though, the Tea Party faction will stampede off to join the Libertarians. They'll still lose. A quarter of their base will be gone, and a probably substantial number of mainstream R's will have decided that Hillary isn't the spawn of Satan after all. The damage to the Republican Party would be permanent and irreparable.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
16. I think they are plumb stuck with him. It will be a worse defeat downline if they push him out.
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jun 2016

He was voted OVERWHELMINGLY by their base. You just can't ignore that. They will truly lose everything if they convene to change the convention rules.

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