2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWarren won't be VP because she isn't ready and brings little to the table overall. Simple as that.
What does Warren bring to the table besides "exciting" the progressive base which is already going to vote for Hillary? Hm? Yes, she is a very smart lawyer with a specialty in fiscal matters. But she has been in the Senate for just three and a half years with little to no executive experience. She is from a northeastern deep blue state and brings no additional geography with her. She brings no additional demographics with her at all. Like it or not, in a general election we need to win a good number of suburban moderates in the heartland and other key areas. How does she help? And yes, we need men too, especially working class men.
Warren won't be the VP pick, but she will still be a surrogate who will be out there making great speeches, holding rallies, and hammering on Trump BIGTIME which will provide plenty of "excitement." We also need her as a Senate leader.
Picking Warren as VP would be a MISTAKE. Outside the "excitement" factor, she brings very little else to the ticket (much as I liker her).
Folks, this isn't some kind of feel-good-happy-dance game all about "excitement" and entertainment. This is the presidency and very serious business, and we need a person in the VP spot who brings much more to the ticket in the larger picture.
Tim Kaine and Sherrod Brown are my two top picks because they are from key swing states, have more experience in office, bring gender balance, and appeal to additional constituencies. I also like Xavier Beccera. He is very good too.
We need the RIGHT person as VP, not just the "exciting" person. Remember, Bernie was more "exciting" than Hillary, but Hillary won the primary with over 13 million more popular votes. Don't sell Americans short. We vote on much more than "excitement." We also vote on experience and other very important factors.
Skinner
(63,645 posts)In an anti-establishment year, Elizabeth Warren brings anti-establishment credibility to the ticket. She is the perfect person to attack Donald Trump's populist message as a fraud and a scam, and she is a very compelling advocate for Hillary Clinton.
The biggest downside to Elizabeth Warren as VP is the possible loss of a Massachusetts senate seat.
ret5hd
(20,515 posts)Skinner
(63,645 posts)But you already knew that.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I personally don't see any other option but her at the moment.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)I was with you up until that point.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)As if the first female president needs a chaperone. F**k that, time to go bold: 2 powerful women destroying man baby Trump's ego and saving the world.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)I think they balance each other out. Hawk/Dove. A little bit right/A little bit left. Very nice!
AwakeAtLast
(14,133 posts)WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)to validate her. 2 women standing together with no man to validate them is terrifying for many people.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)maybe we should give up the right to voting, owning property and having our own credit. 'Cause that stuff is hard for the ladies.
WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)so we don't get enough oxygen and faint at the slightest movement.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)I think she brings a great deal to the ticket. I also think as VP, Hillary would give her free reign to work her magic in fiscal matters. I don't buy the fact the VPs don't do anything. I think they do a great deal behind the scenes, things we never see. She would also be a great president in 8 years.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Not a chance.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)They were a good combo. Although I had my doubts in the beginning, it worked very well
Oh and look it was two men working together and no one freaked out like above over two women.
This is 2016 you know!
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)We need Warren as VP. MUST HAPPEN. VP is also the senate tie breaker and Im confident her seat is safe and that we will gain senate seats. She would also have plenty of leverage over presidential decisions. HILLIZABETH 2016!
mattclearing
(10,091 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)As VP, she would be muzzled.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Who is going to muzzle her? Do you think that if Clinton asks her to be VP and she accepts that Clinton would muzzle her? The woman who turned the First Lady "position" on its head? I think she would give Warren the autonomy to do what Warren wants and needs to do within the Constitutional limits of the position.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)The VP does not steal the president's thunder - In any administration.
Warren is free to speak her mind now. Keep it that way.
handmade34
(22,757 posts)Clinton/Warren sounds ok to me... in fact I'm really excited by the prospect
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Even more exciting than 'just' Hillary!!!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)I thought millions of young people were brought to the Democratic Party because of excitement.
Warren is both exciting and smart. She is the liberal lion we need.
jcgoldie
(11,639 posts)I'm finding that increasingly difficult to believe with each successive day when you post another opinion piece calling her unqualified to be VP and a mistake in capital letters and yet you seem to think all the alternatives who have junk in their pants would be perfectly fine.
Warren is capable and qualified and she will help bring voters to the polls which is the number one reason to pick a running mate. I realize sexism is a thing that will affect voting behavior but I find it hard to believe that many rednecks will be sitting at home going...
"Ok ok one woman I can do it... but TWO women!?! No way THAT'S a bridge too far!"
What did she do anyway take your parking space?
Edit this to add: The fact that she's only late in life became a career politician which you seem to think disqualifies her can probably only help in this political climate in which "outsiders" are celebrated.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)katmondoo
(6,457 posts)You just have to understand that
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Excitement is a big deal.
villager
(26,001 posts)WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)They are the standard and the rest of us are just accessories.
villager
(26,001 posts)WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)We're just women, after all.
villager
(26,001 posts)Road to perdition, that....
WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)and now my head hurts. I need some bon bons and a good soap opera! You just saved me!
villager
(26,001 posts)WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)ability! After all, men know so much more than women, that's why they leave all the sh*t work to us. We only know how to clean up after them. If we thought, we would probably prevent their messes to begin with. But alas, we are mere women and we need a man to tell us what to think and what to do.
2 women together are terrifying because they work together and create solutions to real problems. Viva men! Bring on the white man to produce the revolution...even if 2 women at the top of the political structure is the real revolution!
daa
(2,621 posts)Massachusetts is in the bank. Hillary would be the first woman, don't need 2. I love Waaren but not a lot of experience and we would lose a democratic senator. Remember Scott Brown.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)MA has a special election law, there will be a special election to elect her replacement.
We don't need to remember Scott Brown...Brown won because Martha Coakley ran a terrible campaign.
It's a strong-likelihood that if Warren is elected as VP, the nominee to replace her will be Deval Patrick, the very-popular former governor. There's no GOP upstart that is going to come out of the woodwork and win that race.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)Moreover, Harry Reid has researched Massachusetts election law and found a way to minimize or shorten the impact to the Senate of Warren running for VP.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/06/03/harry-reid-studies-legal-scenarios-for-filling-senate-seat-elizabeth-warren-gets-vice-presidential-nod/3FSrNJlAhqRoiWt6iQMK7J/story.html
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)"Gender balance". Really? Men won't vote for a two woman ticket? Okie dokie!
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Gothmog
(145,489 posts)We will see who HRC picks
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Elizabeth Warren would've been completely qualified to be president had she chosen to run this year. If you think she's not ready, was President Obama also unready in 08?
Also hell no to Sherrod Brown. He'd be a great VP if not for the fact that Kasich would get to appoint his replacement and I have no confidence in our ability to vote that replacement out in a midterm election. Ohio is much redder than Massachusetts after all. Xavier Beccera would be a good choice though.
Mr Maru
(216 posts)Yeah, let's begin by stopping with selling them short on this whole "gender balance" line of bull.
Warren can help bring populists along in key states like Wisconsin and other swing states where a few point boost with white working/middle class voters makes all the difference.
rurallib
(62,444 posts)Talk about a hard sell.
texstad79
(115 posts)No more all white tickets when half the party is PoC.