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[DemonGoddess]

1. exactly what I was saying earlier

we cannot lose sight of this, because this shows a link between Putin and Trump by the actions

[Her Sister]

12. I agree!

[MohRokTah]

2. I got told I was spreading woo when I posted about this earlier today. eom

[Still In Wisconsin]

5. You were not spreading woo....

this shit is real. Anyone who believes otherwise has their head in the sand.

[RonniePudding]

8. They may have operatives here

Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

[NWCorona]

3. This was the conclusion when the hack story first broke.

Both hack teams had known names like cozy bear or something

[mia]

4. Starting to remind me of Watergate n/t

[MichiganVote]

6. With the trump type-anything is possible.

[Tarc]

7. I have little doubt that this involves Snowden

Putin and the FSB aren't hosting this clod out of generosity...

[Hortensis]

9. Russia allied with Trump for President! Unbelievable.

But let's not lose sight of the fact that the DNC email noise has so far been yet another witch hunt.

There is no indication that any of the questionable suggestions coming INTO the DNC were ever acted on. The is no email suggesting that any would be considered.

And we know what the people who really know what's going on think: Hillary immediately appointed Wasserman Schultz to an appropriate position in her campaign, and President Obama and VP Biden both immediately made statements of support and praise for DWS. Both of the latter could have stayed well out of it, but they conspicuously did not.

[Dawson Leery]

10. Snowden could be in more trouble.

[underpants]

11. Was the RNC hacked too?

I thought they were but can't find a story on it.

[Her Sister]

13. Russian Intelligence, this is not funny at all!

Hate that the Russians are interested in our election!

[Will Morningstar]

34. They're just jealous. Don't have their own real election to interfere with at home, so steal ours.

[kestrel91316]

14. The Russian Mafia and Putin own Trump.

[SheriffBob]

15. i agree

Why weren't the repubs hacked? The answer is obvious.

[kestrel91316]

16. Here's a wild-assed theory of mine:

Trump owes the Russian Mafia bigtime and hasn't paid up. So they told him he HAS TO become President and then do their bidding while in office.

He doesn't really in his heart want to be President, so he's doing the over-the-top thing in hopes of alienating the voters - but it's NOT WORKING. So he's screwed.

He can't just drop out because he owes the Russian Mafia and they will kill his family if he tries.

Should I write the novel or is it too farfetched?? ROFL

[okasha]

17. Not sure they'd kill his mutant spawn.

They could repossess his hideous furniture, though.

[Will Morningstar]

35. Yes, write the novel. Opening scene in the sauna with Russian handlers @ N.Y. Athletic Club.

[tallahasseedem]

20. +1

THIS! Now, the media needs to do their job.

[redixdoragon]

18. Good to know it's all lies then

It is all lies right? Cause it came from this source? None of it is true cause of the source right?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

19. What forensic evidence? And how does it point toward Russian intelligence?

It would be a mistake to shelve critical thinking and doubt when the New York Times, exposed in these very pages a number of times for lying, makes a claim without a scintilla of evidence. It may have been Russia, it may not have been. But I'm not quite stupid enough to take the Times' at their word.

Some of us are data security professionals. Let's talk about the forensic evidence. Let's hear what they've got. Let's discuss it.

[raindaddy]

26. Does any of this negate the fact that the DNC was trying to manipulate the election?

Maybe the NYT is trying to divert attention away from the fact that there was collusion between the DNC and the corporate media..

It's Putin's fault the DNC was trying to undermine Sander's candidacy..

[DisgustipatedinCA]

30. No, it doesn't negate the corruption, but in my mind, it's also a valid question.

I'm not going to permit the lying New York Times to spin some story about cutting the red wire and not the green wire on the firewall. I've spent too many thousands of hours with firewalls to buy their bullshit. Of course, I'm going against dogma here, so I hope you'll read my reply in a hurry.

[nikto]

39. Thanks for asking that question

The problem with suspicions like this is, whether legit or not, they tend to focus folks' attention
very narrowly (notice how it's it's all about Putin & the Ruskies now?),
and perhaps to the detriment of seeing a possibly bigger picture.

Just sayin'.

[CanonRay]

21. This should be the national story

Trumps campaign in league with the Russians

[Rex]

23. Explains all the negative shit Trump says about NATO.

There is no telling what crazy CT crap Trump thinks about organizations like the UN and NATO.

[Will Morningstar]

41. The way of the guilty is devious, but the conduct of the innocent is upright.

If a man digs a pit, he will fall into it; if a man rolls a stone, it will fall back on him. He who leads the upright along an evil path will fall into his own trap, but the blameless will receive a good inheritance. Do not those who plot evil go astray? But those who plan what is good will find love and faithfulness. (Yes, Melania. I wrote this too. Honest.)

[Rex]

22. Well then let us ask Trump, since he and Pooty are great buds.

Maybe we can ask Dubya, he sure was fond of Russia's dictator.

[L. Coyote]

24. Could not possibly have been the Republicans. They never do such things.

But if they did and intended to leak it, they have to make it look like someone else did it.

[nikto]

48. Yes!!

[ciaobaby]

25. A simple question

What material would Wiki have if the DNC hadn't plotted against Bernie ?
Or did Putin orchestrate that too ?

[L. Coyote]

27. They hacked the opposition research on Trump.

Now, first question, was that leaked?

We do know the very worst dirty tricksters and swiftboaters are running Trump's campaign.

[ciaobaby]

29. Again

What material would Wiki have if the DNC hadn't plotted against Bernie ?
Or did Putin orchestrate that too ?

[nikto]

45. Am I interpreting you correctly - that you suspect Trump & GOP operatives, rather than the Ruskies?

If so,

I'm with you.

IMO, the likelihood of who did the "dirty tricks" is:

GOP/swiftboater-types>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Putin

It fits their style exactly, as you suggest in your post below.
This feels like the Dubya AWOL story that took down Dan Rather----The story itself was legit and true,
but the source was somehow discredited, distracting everybody away frtom the real story.

To me, this feels a bit like that particular instance of dirty trick (i.e.rat-f--king).

[BlueCaliDem]

42. Jeebus H Crikey! The DNC DID NOT "plot" against Bernie. So reposting the same idiocy

over and over again in this thread doesn't make it any more true. A couple of employees at the DNC exchanged e-mails. Big whoop. NONE of their schemes came to fruition, and if they had, please point me to a single incident.

But you seem hellbent on keeping that non-story up and going. To what end? What possible reason could you have to smear the reputation of the entire DNC, while trying to divert from the fact that forensic evidence is surfacing that DumbTrump's despot-buddy is trying to influence the elections to have their puppet win the White House, and is using the Left's favorite site, Wikileaks, to publicize it.

Yeah, your screen name is apropos. "ciaobaby". Maybe Alex Jones's site is a better fit for you.

[ciaobaby]

46. So DWS resigned for nothing?

[AgadorSparticus]

28. HA! And I was told today that I needed to take off the tin foil hat

And that it was just too much speculation to say it was the Russians.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512284639#post19

[ciaobaby]

31. Perhaps you can tell me......

What material would Wiki have if the DNC hadn't plotted against Bernie ?
Or did Putin orchestrate that too ?

[Eko]

37. 1st you are going to have to show

Where the DNC plotted against Sanders. Not one or two people, the DNC.

[ciaobaby]

38. One or two people - really ?

OK - those "one or two people" were part of the DNC and working for the DNC.
Or do you want me to prove every single person in the DNC was complicit.
The fact that DWS resigned, or was asked to resign, is proof enough that the DNC was up to no good.

[Eko]

43. Lets put it this way.

So if two people do it that means the party is complicit, how many of sanders workers broke into the democratic email list? The fact that she resigned give no proof to anything other than she resigned.

[ciaobaby]

47. Right - she was just bored with her job.

[AgadorSparticus]

40. You clearly did not read my post otherwise you would not have asked me that.

I never stated the emails did not show preference. People have biases and that is human nature. As long as the chair of the DNC did not act on her preferences, she did nothing wrong. Instead, she was tried in the court of public opinion complete with pitchforks and fire. She is gone. You can go celebrate. I won't stand in your way.

The gist of my post is about the tie of the Russian influence into our election. THAT is far more disconcerting. And I was told that it did not exist, that I was crazy. That it doesn't matter. But it DOES. It matters A LOT. It gives us context and motive. But for many here, it is not about getting the big picture. I get it.

[ciaobaby]

44. Classic Deflection

Let me get this straight...
If DWS did nothing wrong, why did she resign, or was asked to resign?
If DWS/DNC did nothing wrong, why do we care that Putin hacked the DNC?
You are concerned about the Russians without any concrete proof.
I will worry about the DNC with proof, a resignation and an apology for their admitted wrong doing.

[Monk06]

32. Putin wants his sock puppet Trump in the White House would be manna from heaven for Putin

Masculinity, Money and Mayhem X two Just what the world needs

[ciaobaby]

33. Looking for the answer

What material would Wiki have if the DNC hadn't plotted against Bernie ?
Or did Putin orchestrate that too ?

[L. Coyote]

36. When will the NY Times cover this? History of Trump Operatives

Deja DU excerpts: Bush vs. Gore, the 'Arkansas Project,' the USA firings, and the Swiftboat Admiral

L. Coyote Jun-09-07
44. Donald Trump, Roger Stone, Jack Abramoff, Gaming Gaming and Scalping the Tribes.

How is it that two consumate Republican insiders, both purported specialists in illegal
funding of campaigns, one a political dirty trickster who stays behind the scenes and
the other a felonious convict linked to the White House political office, each manage
to garner tens of millions of dollars from Indian tribes in the gaming rackets? By
working both sides at once, of course. And, how is it that one gets convicted and goes
to jail while the other keeps getting paid? Who is scalping whom for how much, who has
lost their scalp, who still has theirs, and will Donald Trump's hair survive the scandals?

With all the attention to Abramoff defrauding the Tribes, why isn't there more attention on
who else is involved in all of gaming's political machinations and influence peddling?

Who has lucrative contracts to receive a percentage of the gross from Indian casinos, and
how did they obtain it? Where is all that money going? How much ends up in the coffers of
politicos like Sen. John McCain, and why? Who else is scalping the Tribes?

And how much of the scalping goes to legal and illegal campaign contributions?

Questions to be answered.

....... 36. Who is Roger Stone, Jr.? Buckley, Nixon, Reagan, Bush operative.

"Roger J. Stone, Jr. is a long-time Republican dirty-tricks operative who led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount and helped make George W. Bush president in 2000. He was also a campaign strategist during the presidential campaigns of Presidents Nixon, Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush. .............

........ Roger Stone and the Jack Abramoff mould. Making $$millions$$ gaming gaming.

A Dirty Trickster's Bush Bonanza
The man who stopped Miami recount makes gaming millions
by Wayne Barrett
April 19th, 2004 9:30 AM
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/...........

Roger Stone, the dirty-tricks hobgoblin of Republican politics, has exploited his Bush connections to become an influence-peddling force in the $13 billion Indian gaming industry. Stone's booming business in such a federally regulated enterprise makes his recent pro bono orchestration of Al Sharpton's double-edged presidential campaign an even stranger covert caper.

The longtime GOP consultant's reward for fomenting the "Brooks Brothers mob" that shut down the Miami-Dade recount in 2000 was an invitation within days of Bush's election to serve on the Department of Interior transition working group—helping, in his own words, to staff its Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA). Stone has since used this unannounced perch to market himself to tribes and developers from Louisiana to California, earning fat fees and contingent percentages of future casino revenue. Just two of the five deals examined by the Voice are projected to pay him at least $8 million, and perhaps as much as $13 million.

Time, The Washington Post and The New York Times have published exposés about Bush's BIA, with a February story highlighting $45 million in payments to two GOP lobbyists from four tribes since 2001. But no one has focused on Stone's profiteering, which, unlike the payments to registered lobbyists, is not reported on any public filings. ..............

40. Roger Stone, Iran-Contra, NCPAC, Blackwell, Buchanan, Rove, Sex & Trump's Money ...

What role did Stone play in financing the Contras? .............

41. Roger Stone - "slash-and-burn Republican black-bag election tamperer"

A Prayer for Reverend Al
Let Him Buy His Soul Back from the Republicans
by Doug Ireland
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 21, 2004 - First Published in LA Weekly
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb04/Ireland0221.htm

Who is Roger Stone? A slash-and-burn Republican black-bag election tamperer and consultant whose mentor was the repulsive Roy Cohn — the redbaiting hatchet man for Senator Joe McCarthy. Stone first made news in the Nixon Watergate scandal, when it was revealed that the 19-year-old apprentice McCarthyite had infiltrated George McGovern’s 1972 presidential campaign as part of CREEP’s sabotage plan. ... Stone helped Ollie North raise money for the Nicaraguan contras, and was a close associate of the notorious Lee Atwater ...

48. Swiftboating Al Gore from Argentina, SIDE, Israeli wire transfers, spy files, forgery, Bush & Menem

Edited on Sun Jun-10-07 04:44 PM by L. Coyote
There just is no way to make this stuff up!! This is a court pleading. Unbelievable.

First get some spy files from Israel, alter them to look like Argentine spy files, make them implicate Bush and Menem in corruption, blame Gore for the forged documents. Sound familiar. Did I mention blackmailing bribed journalists and, of course, the perennial covert Republican dirty tricksters. This genre of dirty trick came to be known as "swiftboating" when done to Kerry four years later by the same players!!

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http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/041901.P.pdf
Olavar (Triumph Communications International Group, Plaintiffs-Appellants, v.
Santibañes, Defendant-Appellee, and Ikon Holdings, Inc., t/a Ikon Public Affairs, Dick Morris, Roger Stone, Eileen McGann, John Does, Defendants.

Appeal from the United States District Court Decided: December 1, 2005

Triumph Communications International Group, Incorporated is a corporation that provides political consulting and public relations services and is owned and operated solely by Mattie Lolavar.

In early 2000, Miss Lolavar began discussions with defendant Dick Morris about the possibility of her working with Craig Snyder and defendant Roger Stone, who are partners in defendant IKON Holdings, Inc., another political consulting firm ... about the possibility of Triumph Communications’ assistance with work that IKON was doing for the government of Argentina.
These discussions lead to two contracts ... and provided that Triumph would act as a public relations consultant to "the Secretary of Intelligence of Argentina" as well as arrange various media events...

Miss Lolavar went to Argentina in August 2000 to assist de Santibañes with preparations for his testimony in Argentine congressional hearings inquiring into allegations that he and the Argentine intelligence agency, known as SIDE, were responsible for bribing various Argentine senators in exchange for political support. Morris and Stone assigned other tasks to Miss Lolavar while she was in Argentina. Among other acts, they instructed her to contact SIDE and obtain a list of journalists who accepted bribes from that organization in order to harm the credibility of those same journalists in reporting on a bribery scandal surrounding de Santibañes and President de la Rua, as well as requiring her to spread false information to the press concerning de la Rua’s political opponent, Dr. Carlos Menem. The charges and counter-charges related here are from the papers in the court file, as are the other facts.

A request that occasioned controversy between Miss Lolavar and the defendants was Morris and Stone’s request that she serve as an intermediary in an anonymous wire transfer of funds to an official in Israel. These funds were to be paid to secure intelligence files from the Israeli government to assist de la Rua’s political domestic disputes with Menem, and to imply a corrupt relationship between Menem and George W. Bush, who was then running against Albert Gore for the United States presidency. These files were to be altered by Miss Lolavar to appear to be SIDE documents.

When the defendants became concerned that this plot would be discovered and traced back to them, they ordered Miss Lolavar to orchestrate a press response to blame Vice President Gore for the dissemination of the documents, since it was known to them that the Gore campaign had been attempting to connect Menem with the Bush campaign.