Here's some irony: Bernie Sanders is doing more to help Hillary than DWS is.

[geek tragedy]

Despite losing to her in a vigorously contested primary, he's putting his own ego aside for the good of the country and yes the party.

DWS, on the other hand, has gone from party leader to a turd that won't flush.

"I can protect myself from my enemies; god save me from my friends."

Note: above quote only refers to DWS, not Sanders

[EricMaundry]

1. Bernie is a patriot and knows the danger this country is facing

He is not accepting the hand of friendship Putin has extended to him.

[Fast Walker 52]

34. Indeed! I'm surprised there hasn't been discussion about this remarkable editorial in the WaPo.

"Donald Trump is a unique threat to American democracy"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-is-a-unique-threat-to-american-democracy/2016/07/22/a6d823cc-4f4f-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html

[bjobotts]

64. Anyone who knows Sanders knows he doesn't do anything because of ego.He cares more for ideology

[merrily]

2. It may be ironic but it is not surprising. He has said from Day One that he

would attempt everything in his power to make sure Donald Trump did not become President. Since he (Bernie) is not the nominee, he is campaigning for the one who is.

[NCTraveler]

3. DWS has been less than stellar. That's for sure.

I still take zero issue with the emails. This is ratfucking territory like we haven't seen before.

Can you imagine if we saw emails from the RNC, Weaver, etc?

We don't get to because transparency is not the goal with them.

[geek tragedy]

4. It is ratfucking, but DWS isn't the nominee and she doesn't quite realize

that this moment isn't about her.

[NCTraveler]

7. I agree.

Politicians have ego's.

[Scuba]

11. The ratfucking occurred when the DNC staffers put their thumbs on the scales.

[NCTraveler]

12. The rapist Assange and his group are ratfucking.

That is very clear. The DNC gave Sanders the largest platform he has ever had and helped him gain a stage he has never had.

They are a group of criminals working to thwart progress.

[Scuba]

14. They'd be firing blanks if not for the DNC's misbehavior.

[NCTraveler]

17. What does that have to do with wiki's ratfucking and criminal behavior?

I guess when one can get away with rape, fight for conservatives across the globe, they feel insulated from any repercussion.

Wiki has a lot of knuckle dragging fans supporting their criminal organization all while fighting for conservatives across the globe. Putin is so dreamy. lol.

[Scuba]

20. If the wiki release showed the DNC was on the up-and-up there'd be no problem.

[NCTraveler]

22. You don't see it because you don't want to.

I also don't see any major issue with the leak. Manufactured outrage by the right that is doing minimal harm. Thankfully we have an excellent line-up and these right wing fucks will be embarrassed as we transition from last week to this week.

How many emails and this is the worst they have? How many DNC and Clinton emails have now been released from outlets? How many RNC and Trump emails?



This is beyond obvious.

[Scuba]

24. Yeah, only dirty hippies expect unicorns, rainbows and a fair primary process.

[NCTraveler]

30. What does this have to do with hippies, unicorns, rainbows?

And the process overall was extremely fair. That is well known by all even though ratfuckers keep trying to sell something else.

Politics is dirty and there is no room for unicorns as they don't exist. The rainbow will arrive in November when we elect Clinton along with her very solid progressive platform.

[NCTraveler]

40. .

More Rainbows!!!!

[Maru Kitteh]

59. FUCK ALL third party Putin-humpers and shills. They have their own sad little websites

and they should go there.

[John Poet]

68. PROUD to be a "dirty hippy"

although my hair is short enough to sneak into very conservative settings...

[bjobotts]

65. Rapist? Yeah, don't like message attack messenger. You are offensively stupid

[bjobotts]

66. A made up allegation to destroy his character for leaking info on illegal spying

[Amimnoch]

45. unproven allegation at best.

Of 20,000 emails there are a couple that discussed it, and actions are being taken on those who wrote them.

Can you link a single actual occurrence of the discussions in those emails being actioned by the DNC? That will be a very different discussion. Otherwise you are making false claims.

[dynamo99]

51. transparency

wasn't the goal with the DNC, either. No organization wants that kind of leak.

And we still don't know who penetrated their system, and who (maybe a different party) leaked the emails to Wikileaks. Or what their motives were, other than presumably to disrupt the Dem convention. Does Putin reciprocate Trump's love?

[NCTraveler]

57. The NYT says they have traced it back to Russian Intel agencies.

Let's at least be honest with the big picture.

[Buddyblazon]

54. So you're mad that she got caught...

Not that she did it.

Interesting. My morals don't really roll that way.

[NCTraveler]

56. That isn't what I said.

I get that is what you want to project. Good luck with that.

[Buddyblazon]

58. No. Youre mad about these emails.

Don't want to get caught doing unscrupulous things?

I have a detailed plan on how to not get caught doing immoral and unscrupulous things:

Don't do immoral and unscrupulous things.

[NCTraveler]

60. More projection based off nothing I said.

Well done for a second time.

<- That's not mad.

[Buddyblazon]

62. Oh...a smiley face...

Sorry...I thought you were worked up about the emails.

Then I saw the smiley face.

[NCTraveler]

63. I figured some imagery might help. Words weren't doing it.

I decided to go the picture book route.

[Buddyblazon]

67. Support corrupt practices...

I guess your behavior is not surprising.

[CrowCityDem]

5. More irony: his dead-end supporters in Philly are embracing Trumpism against Bernie's wishes.

[tallahasseedem]

8. and chanting "Lock her up!"

[CrowCityDem]

10. They prove that there was a good number of Bernie voters who were anti-Hillary at heart.

[AlbertCat]

35. They prove that there was a good number of Bernie voters who were anti-Hillary at heart.

But emails clearly targeting Sanders for his religion and stuff prove nothing.

Alrighty then!

No bias there.

[CrowCityDem]

37. The emails don't prove anything was DONE against Bernie. Proof otherwise?

[AlbertCat]

49. Proof otherwise?

The actual primary.

[CrowCityDem]

50. What was done that hadn't been decided before Bernie got in the race?

The schedule was set long before, as were the debates. And they added more when he asked!

What specifically was done to hinder him? Without any evidence, these cries are petty whining.

[Buddyblazon]

55. "Who ya gonna believe?

Me...or your lyin' eyes?".

[Moonwalk]

44. The argument here was that some Sanders supporters were anti-Hillary period....

During the primary there were voters for Hillary who were anti-Sanders. And there were voters for Sanders who were anti-Hillary. Some, in both parties were "NOT THIS PERSON EVER!" Meaning, they voted for Sanders because they did not want Hillary, period and vice versa. And we had plenty of threads here with people saying just that. "I will never vote for Hillary/Sanders if they're chosen." The e-mails, however, don't prove that those who wrote them were "I will never vote for Sanders" sorts. We would need evidence that the authors actually went out and committed some kind of sabotage (or arranged for such) to prove there is more to these emails than speculation on how Bernie could lose votes--or even on how to make Bernie lose votes.

All we have in front of us is evidence of these particular "Sanders supporters" bias against Hillary. And so that's all we can really say: "These supporters were always anti-Hillary...not pro-Democrat, possibly not even pro-Sanders." So, yes, they are anti-Hillary...and possibly never were pro-Sanders. Just pro-anyone-but-Hillary.

But I agree that the way this was originally stated, implying that a large number of Sanders supporters were anti-Hillary, is bias. I don't believe a large number of either candidates supporters were anti-the-other-candidate that much. And I suspect that many of these "Sanders or bust" folk are shills for the GOP. Their aim is to make Sanders supporters hate Hillary and the DNC enough not to either not vote, or vote for Trump. The reveal of those e-mails is trying to do just the same. To maintain the "unfair" controversy so that Hillary doesn't get those supporters or votes and Trump has a better chance at winning.

We're doing exactly what they want us to do when we say, "Supporters of this candidate only wanted him because they hated our candidate!" and "Your side has been trying to sabotage ours!" That keeps us harping at each other over past hurts rather than focusing on how to win. We really need to stop this. However hurt we are by any real or perceived unfairness or bias, the fact is that if the Democratic party wins, everyone involved with it wins. And if Trump wins, we all lose.

[Blue Idaho]

16. Or... It could be dirty tricksters.

Never underestimate the opposition. I would not be the least bit surprised if some of the most vocally nasty anti-Clinton/Kane protestors are paid political operatives trying to ratfuck our convention. Hell, anyone can put in a Sanders T-Shirt.

Remember the "Brooks Brothers Riots?"

[tallahasseedem]

18. I've actually been thinking about that...

since I read about the chants. I think you're right...that a lot of protesters are. The thing that's disheartening here, is that they're delegates.

[Blue Idaho]

23. No, not all of them...

The protestors and marchers outside the conventions could easily be paid operatives. It would be nice to believe that everyone's motives are obvious and and their honesty unquestioned but that isn't the case 100% of the time.

Imagine you are the Republican Party and you are suddenly stuck with a turd for a candidate. How are you going to win with a complete shithead like the Donald at the helm? You are going to do anything and everything possible. Legal or not. Republicans are notorious for Political stunts.

I'm sure their best ratfuckers are walking around Philly right now with lots of "walking around money" in their pockets.

We should stop blaming each other and start looking at who's really pissing on our campfire.

[tallahasseedem]

32. I totally agree!

[Bluenorthwest]

21. That dirty trick has two parts, the ratfuckers doing the actual action and then others to

identify them not as ratfuckers but as the people they are posing as. 'Look, look, it's one of those awful people doing an awful thing' is the part of the closer and these days that's often done online.

[Blue Idaho]

26. Excellent point.

Republicans have been honing these skills since at least the days of Lee Atwater.

[bigwillq]

6. Good post.

K and R

[JaneyVee]

9. Because impartiality.

[LostOne4Ever]

13. I agree with this

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#00009d]One of the big reasons, though not the only one, that I supported Sanders was because he was trying to bring change from WITHIN the democratic party. A part of that means supporting the Democratic nominee.

Whatever else can be said, he has abided by that and I look forward to his speech when I get home. He knows it is not just about him, and that by working together more can be done to advance liberal ideals than otherwise.

It is going to be a beautiful contrast to Ted Cruz and the republican party.

#strongertogether [/font]

[rickford66]

48. He always says "We" not "I"

Hillary should take note.

[bullwinkle428]

15. Totally agree. Bernie's speech tonight should be awesome.

[Bluenorthwest]

19. That's the fact of the day.

nt

[Tatiana]

25. I think Bernie has less of an ego than DWS does.

He really cares about the direction of this country. He ran as a Democrat to prevent a Nader-like situation from taking place. He worked from within the system to make it better and more responsive to the people (including party members like myself).

DWS, on the other hand, has openly worked to elect Republicans in Florida because they were her supposed "friends."

This is karma. I hope DWS is done in politics. Maybe the Clintons can secure her a cushy lobbyist job, since she's so good at fundraising.

[geek tragedy]

28. DWS has been like an ugly piece of furniture in a corner of the living room

Up until now, more trouble to get rid of her than to keep her.

[liberal N proud]

27. Really?

https://twitter.com/DaveMontero/status/757577543033753600

[geek tragedy]

29. that is a single, pathetic loser dumbfuck dudebro in his 20's

that is not Bernie Sanders

[FailureToCommunicate]

46. You keep posting this. It's one sad guy and and some wrinkled signs. Please,

enough with the divisiveness.

[liberal N proud]

47. And the BSers at the convention are not?

That is a shock!

[onecaliberal]

31. EXACTLY!!!

He's also done more for people that she every thought of. She busy protecting pay day lenders who are fucking over the poor

[Agnosticsherbet]

33. Sanders supports and backs Hillary Clinton.

At this point they are not his suporters.

[pangaia]

36. With Bernie, it never has been about ego, never about him...ever.

[Qutzupalotl]

38. Agreed!

The ego thing was the most off-base attack I've seen on him this cycle. He almost never says "I" — it was always "this campaign." It was never about the person taking office, it was about getting better policies in place. I'd say he was fairly successful under the circumstances.

[pangaia]

41. Exactly. In my view, he never had any interest in being president.

But, noody else would do it. So he did/

[geologic]

43. ...

[kstewart33]

42. Haven't seen that yet.

But geez, I so hope you are right. Tonight will tell.

[Peachhead22]

52. DWS= "Turd that won't flush"

ROFL, man I wish I would have thought of that!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

53. Her attitude has filtered down to where there are people who are obsessed with "loyalty"....

We aren't supposed to obey a leader. They are supposed to obey US.

[Euphoria]

61. k & r for cogent post! N/T

[John Poet]

69. The best thing DWS can do for Hillary is to stay the fuck out of sight,

and it looks like maybe she will.

[geek tragedy]

70. I hear Dick Cheney's undisclosed location is available nt

[Cooley Hurd]

71. Thank you. Excellent OP.

[Shankapotomus]

72. You call getting the DNC chairpperson to resign just before the convention to nominate Hillary

helping her and "putting his own ego aside"? Making Democrats look bad just before an election is not helping and is not putting your own ego aside.