2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOn a scale of 0-10, how worried are you about Trump winning?
With 0 meaning no worry at all, 5 meaning moderate worry, and 10 meaning you are already preparing for the disaster of him being elected (I would make preparations to leave the country.)
I am a 3 right now. The new polls are right after their convention. Now if there was a lot of intelligence in the voting public, Trump would have declined after that convention. But wait until he starts having to campaign and be subjected to OUR attacks. He should be losing handily by Election Day.
drray23
(7,627 posts)It is very very unlikely he ever makes it to the white house but I can not rate it a zero since there is no telling what he and his supporters could do to get the votes.
piechartking
(617 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)In almost any competition one person or side has some measurable chance of winning.
mvd
(65,173 posts)Big variety of speakers who will all tell the truth about Trump. After that, I hope I am down to your 1 or 2.
I want Trump to lose but I don't really worry too much about these things. In a politic that's dominated by two parties, there's a 50 percent chance Rs will win. That's reality. It will happen or not, regardless of how much I worry or not.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)He has no chance.
TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts).
Besides, folks pontificating that it's a sure thing will decrease voter turnout.
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Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)My opinion isn't Nate Silver's.
TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Cuz, so far the coverage is not pretty.
I read that Bernie tried hard to get his supporters to go Hillary, and he was booed by his supporters. I was a Bernie donor and supporter, but she is our nominee, and I will vote for her.
But, damn it is frustrating with some of the steps Hillary takes.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts).
Only a fool would think this is in the bag, since MSM, financial powers, and reality TV show viewers swing GOP.
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I expect Frankentrump to crash and burn before November
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Runningdawg
(4,516 posts)Trump has been underestimated since the beginning, that is how we got here.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,185 posts)Anything could happen.
I obviously understand the notion of 'convention bump' but I cannot for the life of me understand how in the world Drumpf could've gotten one on the heels of that utter debacle last week. The fact that he's even within shouting distance of HRC is confounding.
I've made it my personal mission to stomp out any signs of overconfidence or hubris on the part of folks I see in everyday life when they talk about how that 'buffoon' could never actually beat HRC. I remind them of other 'buffoons' such as Dubya and St. Ronnie.
We've got a lot of work to do, starting with this week. I can't imagine this convention won't look like a totally different ballgame to the country as compared to last week's fiasco, so hopefully HRC's convention bump will send her zooming past the Yammering Yam for good.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)depending on if convention delegates keep "booing" Democrats and Democratic leaders' calls for Party Unity.
mvd
(65,173 posts)there is no chaos at the convention. Regardless of what I think about the DNC e-mail leak, Hillary is the party's nominee and our only chance to beat Trump. Some protests are ok, but we need a strong convention to help keep Trump out.
Negative 4.
Definitely negative 4. We're currently in a better position than we were in 2008 or 2012 at this time and we won both handily, so yeah, negative 4.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)I just don't see him making it through the debates and additional media scrutiny without saying or doing something so monumentally stupid that it can't be ignored.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)This shit with the BS delegates and their disruptive actions is doing nothing but helping the Trump campaign.
Giving them fodder to feed on.
TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts).
Some big terrorism event to freak people out, even though this is the safest decade in 50 years.
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auntpurl
(4,311 posts)serbbral
(260 posts)I am probably at a 6 right now.
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pampango
(24,692 posts)which seems more likely.
The stakes are too high to be anything other than 10. The country and all R our progress could get flushed down the toilet in one election. Everything is gone and multiple wars will be at hand.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)speak in Philly.
I feel that the current Democrat attempt at fighting Trump will backfire.
if we're gonna win...we have to tell America where were gonna take them...not just "The Anti-Trump" ticket.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Don't think so.
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)still @ a 9, and beginning to search for school transcripts
After the Brexit vote, who knows what the fuck can happen in politics...
I will say that if Trump wins, I'm going to blame some very specific so-called "liberals" who claim to be Dems, and this party will have a purge that makes Turkey look like a Girl Scouts cookout...
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Hillary Clinton will be our next president.
RAFisher
(466 posts)Gun to my head I still say Clinton wins but very very close. Kerry states plus Virginia, Colorado and New Mexico would give Clinton the win, 273EV. But the danger of Trump is absolutely terrifying. I don't think that can be stressed enough. These people are pro-Russian, post-factual lemmings. I believe Tony Schwartz when he thinks Trump will be the end of the world. I think too many Dems are complacent and have taken for granted the great President we've had for the last 8 years.
Wake the fuck up people. Trump's message is resonating with people. Despite how stupid we think he is people are supporting him. Reassuring each other that Trump can't win is doing nothing to getting Clinton elected. Do something about it and help the Clinton campaign.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/forms/volunteer/
Utah_liberal
(101 posts)However, I do live in Utah. What alarms me is, despite the fact I am in a union who endorsed Bernie in the primaries, I know of very few of my white male co workers will vote for Hillary and admit they will vote for Trump. It's quite alarming to me. I hope this is just an anomaly.
No matter how much the media shills for him, he's up against a great D candidate and - ultimately - the Electoral College.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)Always be vigilant.
The boos at Bernie aren't helping.
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)but I think I'm up to 6 or so. This Trump-Putin link and the way he media is pushing the DNC thing have me spooked.
DLevine
(1,788 posts)totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)is terrifying. But one thing I do know. If Trump wins I will not leave the country that I love. I will stay and fight to take it back.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now
I don't think Trump will win, but the fact that he got this far and the fact that nations periodically have love affairs with fascists is enough to make me worry that I actually would have preferred to see Hillary run against Kasich or Cruz (awful as they are) because at least that way we'd be guaranteed a sane president who would operate within the Constitution. Trump has the potential to be as dangerous as any leader since WWII. A Trump-Putin coalition could mean WWIII.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)see if the fragile Democratic unity could be broken.
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I'm surrounded by these Trump-loving idiots... in ILLINOIS! Where Clinton leads by 14 points in the polls.
This state elected another Republican narcissist -- Bruce Rauner. I never thought I'd live to see the day that a Republican like Rauner would be elected in a blue state like Illinois. But this is what happened in the wake of Democratic complacency.
We need to start taking this foreign and domestic threat of the Trump campaign a lot more seriously or we will be completely devastated come election night.
If it makes you feel any better, I only know 2 people (other than hopelessly Republican relatives over the age of 65) who support Trump. And I am in red Arizona. Most of my peers are so disgusted by Sheriff Joe and his antics that they are turned off by anyone he endorses!
I believe that Trump will win my state, but not by as much as Republicans in the past. I also think that both Sheriff Joe and McCain are in trouble here.
I think Clinton will win if we can get people to the polls!!
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Welcome to DU!
Paladin
(28,254 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Did you see him today?
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)helpisontheway
(5,007 posts)think there were that many stupid people in this world. I did not believe that people would put party over electing an incompetent man. However, now I guess people say forget the country as long as they win. I thought GWB was awful but Trump is downright scary.
I'm of retirement age and I am scared to think of what would happen to our IRA account if he is elected - so I told our broker to take everything out of the market and put it into a money market fund until after the election. Ill be damned if I allow trump to ruin both my country and our retirement years.
TeamPooka
(24,223 posts)gov here in CA
Twice
The 2nd time we knew he was fucking the state up big time.
Did it anyway.
Reagan, Jesse ventura,
America likes the famous way out.
Be afraid
Get Out The Vote!
aintitfunny
(1,421 posts)But it looks more than possible.
😞
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)Squinch
(50,949 posts)The Sanders supporters are with Hillary, as Sanders is.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)Squinch
(50,949 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Actually, that's how worried I am about IF he wins, what will happen.
I'm not sure how likely a win is for him. I need to see post-convention polling.
oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)All this stuff will be long forgotten.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)and the likelihood that they are going to make an utter f*cking shit show of this convention - 10.
glennward
(989 posts)If not, he is worse than even I believed.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)HUGE boos from the crowd, screaming, chanting WE WANT BERNIE.
He did not address his delegates' boorish behaviour - booing Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Lee, chanting LOCK HER UP at the CA delegates breakfast, nothing.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)Trump buys everything else so why won't he buy the services of hackers to take care of those pesky voting machines.
What continues to surprise me is the level of anger throughout the electorate.
It's why there is a trump. And it doesn't matter how vile he is, how well established his corruption is communicated, no matter his bigotry & racism, no matter his offshoring his production, how he hides his tax returns, rumors about russia buying his influence... nothing is sticking.
I'm a SBS supporter & i'm with HRC now 100% happily and even the angry Democrats are freaking me out. Yes, it's great dws is out and the entire dnc needs a purge for their stupidity and bigotry but how can anyone not get behind our nominee now? I love SBS and he is with HRC so wtf!!!!!
The anger. I can make a mile long list of how corruption has infected our political discourse and perceptions. It's affected our finances, our health, dashed our hopes. People are pissed. So I am scared of a trump win.
niyad
(113,289 posts)people keep saying drumpy is a joke. I remind them that many thought the same of hitler, and look how well that worked out.
Silent3
(15,210 posts)If people could want to vote for Trump MORE after that disaster, not less, and here we are, too many of our fellow Democrats ready to tear the world down over DWS... I've lost faith in voters to make an intelligent decision.
This article I've just read doesn't help either: http://bit.ly/2ao8jEx
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,181 posts)I still believe we are too sane as a whole.
But strange things have happened.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Something really unusual would have to happen, like a serious terrorist attack.
genna
(1,945 posts)I don't underestimate the bubble I live in being a blue state with a mf-ing Republican governor. I don't know how that happens when over 60 to 65% of this electorate are registered Democrats.
I've lived in 2 red states in the midwest. I can promise that if they are as upset with race baiting, religious zealotry, and nativism but are also really tired of the way they think their paychecks are decreasing; then they might spite 'the so called establishment' by electing Trump.
I'm not leaving the U.S. If my ancestors could make it through slavery, the black codes/Jim Crow, segregation with separate and unequal due process, then my generation can make it through open police shootings, casual disregard and current social isolation we have now.
Donald Trump is just one more burden to bear. If George W., Cheney, Scalia didn't blow up the world in 2000 and 2004; then we may survive.
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)they have already won, and what they could win in the years to come, which is ultimately the left's genetic failing. i.e. the first item on the Hard Left agenda is the split.
BS was never going to win the nomination with/without DWS. He might have caucused with the Democrats, but he was an outsider to those working in the DNC.
The clear reality now is that if they don't rally around the Democratic candidate, the knives will be out for them in November, should the Oompa loompa win.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Sadly.
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And wishing you might use the poll function
mvd
(65,173 posts)Would have done a poll if I could.
mahina
(17,651 posts)superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)This country is full of low-information folks who believe in fairy tales.
Hillary is not selling a fairy tale. Comrade Don is.
I don't think he'll win, but the slightest possibility that he might makes me feel sick to my stomach.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)I don't do "worry" if I can help it.
vi5
(13,305 posts)The American public seems dumber than it's ever been.
The polls mean nothing - they are just an echo chamber for the pollster's assumptions...based on historical turnout models.
All that goes out the window with Trump, and its a 50/50 coin flip. We won't have any idea, until election day.
This election shouldn't be any closer than 30 points considering it's Donald J. Trump we're talking about.
If Hillary manages to win, she'll do so by a razor-thin margin.
Nedd Ludd
(8 posts)My fear is that the polls are inaccurate due the nature of one of the candidates. Trump is a racist, misogynist, fascist. People tend to downplay their support for candidates like this in polls because of the poor reflection it casts back on them. So while openly denying it, they secretly do support such candidates.
Unfortunately, racists and other alt-rightists have been given the green light to spew their vile "opinions" due to the media's inability to call Trump on his lies and hate forcefully or fiercely enough.
Even if he doesn't win, the mere fact that nearly 45% of people in the polls I'm watching are for Trump means we have failed as a society to guarantee freedom to all of our citizens. That is enough to make me afraid.
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)And he's right around there.
Panich52
(5,829 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)But its going to be close.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I'm afraid with the help of Putin and the anarchists, greens, stay at homes etc that that scumball will have a good shot at it now.
This country is finished if that nazi wins.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)Trump legitimizes hate and I think many folks are very hateful. Remember the Willie Horton smears against Dukkakis? Well, Trump is way past that.
mythology
(9,527 posts)In terms of his likelihood of winning, that's about a 2 or 3. The potential consequences, that's more or an 8.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)I worry about everything I guess.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Not enough crazed white people and klan members to do the job.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)0rganism
(23,945 posts)i'm fairly sure the RNC and their various allies have a nice fat DNC email dump planned for October.
what i'm far more concerned about is a nasty terrorism incident perpetrated by a Muslim immigrant. if it happens in October, the fear vote would turn out quite effectively to elect the candidate with the most authoritarian agenda.
get the red out
(13,462 posts)A few weeks ago I would have said 1. I worry about a split in the Democratic Party.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)I would say a cautious 3. I say cautious because I do not think we can afford to be complacent. Trump has gotten his convention bump and Hillary will get her bounce as well. Then the real contest begins and the poll numbers, state-wise and national, get very real.
I have faith in the team and the incredible Democratic GOTV operation. We're going to win this thing. Because we must.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)reading this thread has moved me up to an 8 because of the idiotic complacency of most Dems.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)The empressof all
(29,098 posts)I remember Gore won and somehow Bush became President.... and then he was re-elected. Then Trump got the Republican nomination.... Proves there are lots of Mis-informed, ignorant people out there who vote.
I'm not confident at all that Hillary will win.
napi21
(45,806 posts)believe the don the con can (or really wants to) do what he's promising. I try to tell people he CAN'T build a wall between the US & Mexico because it CAN'T physically be done! There are things like mountains, gorges & waterways that prevent it. I CAN'T bring those old high paying jobs back. IF, and that's a big IF, he does manage to renegotiate all those treaties, and somehow force the mfg. to be done in the US, those employers will never PAY THE Wages they used to.
I grew up in PA. and still lived there when all the steel & iron works closed down in Pa. & Ohio. The workers were nearly destroyed. Lots of then were in their late 40's or 50's and couldn't find ANY JOB at all! They nor their families have forgotten the effect on them and the entire country. They blame it on NAFTA. Don the con says he'll bring those jobs back, and they are so desperate, they believe him!
People like those folks live in the sections of different States that we Democrats rely on to always be Democrats and VOTE for the Democratic candidate. If a majority of them vote for Don the con, WE LOSE!!!!
That's why I'm at level 10 and will remain so unless something really dramatic happens to convince me that I'm wrong.