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mvd

(65,173 posts)
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:10 PM Jul 2016

On a scale of 0-10, how worried are you about Trump winning?

With 0 meaning no worry at all, 5 meaning moderate worry, and 10 meaning you are already preparing for the disaster of him being elected (I would make preparations to leave the country.)

I am a 3 right now. The new polls are right after their convention. Now if there was a lot of intelligence in the voting public, Trump would have declined after that convention. But wait until he starts having to campaign and be subjected to OUR attacks. He should be losing handily by Election Day.

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On a scale of 0-10, how worried are you about Trump winning? (Original Post) mvd Jul 2016 OP
I would be around three as well. drray23 Jul 2016 #1
With that reactive ignoramus running, my needle's on 10 every day. piechartking Jul 2016 #2
Yep. nt kstewart33 Jul 2016 #23
1 or 2 DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #3
We should have a great convention that provides a stark contrast to people mvd Jul 2016 #8
0-1 bigwillq Jul 2016 #4
Zero Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #5
Even Nate Silver wouldn't commit like that if the odds were 99.5% in HRC's favor. It's reckless. TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #24
I gave my opinion. That's all Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #31
It leads one to believe there is a Democratic Bubble, impervious to non-Democratic events. TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #36
People are free to believe whatever they want. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #37
Yep, even if they spend all day trying to influence others that Trump is a non-threat. TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #40
People are free to spend their days how they would like. Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #43
Does that apply to how we think DWS made things worse? ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #81
Yes. You are free to believe what you want. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #82
7. There is a high probability, knowing how fickle and short-term memoried people are. TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #6
0-1 DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #7
May you be correct and my fears unfounded. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #83
Last odds I saw were 2-1 in Clinton's favour, so 3.33. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2016 #9
8-9. I think we're in bigger danger then we think right now. nt liberalnarb Jul 2016 #10
I'm right there with you! Runningdawg Jul 2016 #65
+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #92
I agree. Now that we know that Trump is in cahoots w/ Putin TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #116
About a 5. SDJay Jul 2016 #11
I'm at 2, but it might tick up to a 3 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #12
Even as someone who strongly supported Sanders, I am hoping that mvd Jul 2016 #17
-4. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #13
Around a 2. Regardless of polling, etc I firmly believe Trump is going to implode Godhumor Jul 2016 #14
I started today with a 0 - now I am at 9 liberal N proud Jul 2016 #15
All it takes is a "Tom Ridge Code Red" or another document dump a week before the general. TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #20
Exactly - same. nt auntpurl Jul 2016 #21
I am worried. serbbral Jul 2016 #16
4 youceyec Jul 2016 #18
5 - A 10 danger to the country and the world IF he is elected. A 0 danger if he is not elected pampango Jul 2016 #19
10 Johnny2X2X Jul 2016 #22
Pretty concerned...watching Bernie one_voice Jul 2016 #25
9 Jack Bone Jul 2016 #26
Have you been paying attention? stopbush Jul 2016 #33
Yeppers...I heard Hillary and Bernie speak today. Jack Bone Jul 2016 #60
5-6 Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #27
Zero, and I'm still taking bets. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #28
7 - Yesterday I signed up to be a volunteer for Clinton, the RNC motivated me to do that. RAFisher Jul 2016 #29
I know of very vew white males who will vote for Hillary Utah_liberal Jul 2016 #130
Zero. stopbush Jul 2016 #30
5 CentralMass Jul 2016 #32
8. There are a lot of stupid voters out there buying the disaster/crisis he's pedaling. Shrike47 Jul 2016 #34
10 tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #35
I was about a 2 CanonRay Jul 2016 #38
Nine. He and his nutty supporters scare the crap out of me. nt DLevine Jul 2016 #39
I would put it at about a 4. I still think that Hillary will win but the latest analysis by Nate totodeinhere Jul 2016 #41
10 Onlooker Jul 2016 #42
10. I'm worried that the Russians have more up their sleeves. This was just a test balloon to eastwestdem Jul 2016 #44
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #119
10! Tatiana Jul 2016 #45
5 izzybella Jul 2016 #96
Welcome to DU. fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #118
Hello bigwillq Jul 2016 #124
After Bernie's feeble endorsement of Clinton/Kaine just now, I'm up to 7. (nt) Paladin Jul 2016 #46
Feeble? I am watching it now. Nothing tepid or feeble about it ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #87
3. The electoral college may save us yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #47
I'm at a 7 now. I was at a 1 because I did not helpisontheway Jul 2016 #48
10 quitnesset Jul 2016 #49
I'm a 7. Celebrity is the most powerfull force in America. We elected The terminator TeamPooka Jul 2016 #50
9 - I gotta leave a hopeful point on the table aintitfunny Jul 2016 #51
7 Denis 11 Jul 2016 #52
10 nruthie Jul 2016 #53
I was a 3-after this am's Sanders Supporters, 'Lock her Up' protest-I am a 10 MichiganVote Jul 2016 #54
This is me exactly. But I wouldn't call them Sanders supporters. I'd call them Trump trolls. Squinch Jul 2016 #101
No offense but I just don't have the faith in that view that you have. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #113
None taken. Squinch Jul 2016 #114
1000 kestrel91316 Jul 2016 #55
10 oswaldactedalone Jul 2016 #56
Zero treestar Jul 2016 #57
After the response to Bernie's speech from his delegates auntpurl Jul 2016 #58
I didn't see the entire speech. Did he even say anything about them screaming "Lock her up?" glennward Jul 2016 #61
Nothing. He said "We must elect Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine" auntpurl Jul 2016 #62
10 on a good day. Vinca Jul 2016 #59
4.35 nt johnson_z Jul 2016 #63
6 - 8 katsy Jul 2016 #64
10. I don't trust der drumpfenfuhrer, and I won't breathe easy even aftr HRC is sworn in. niyad Jul 2016 #66
Seeing Trump apparently getting a bump from the dumpster fire that was the RNC? 9. Silent3 Jul 2016 #67
10 on the consequences of Trump winning. 4 on the chances. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #68
11. All leftists must hope for the best but plan for the worst. I know I am. - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #69
one Vattel Jul 2016 #70
I'm at a 10 genna Jul 2016 #71
6-7. The hard lefties haven't the intelligence to understand what OnDoutside Jul 2016 #72
Meh. About as much as I'm worried about being run over by a herd of ravenous tree sloths. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #73
8-9 ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #74
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #75
8 mahina Jul 2016 #76
I'm not a star member right now so can't mvd Jul 2016 #97
Roger, got you. Sorry mate. mahina Jul 2016 #117
9 superpatriotman Jul 2016 #77
10 sarae Jul 2016 #78
10 apcalc Jul 2016 #79
I give it a 30% probability Loki Liesmith Jul 2016 #80
10. We live in dangerous times... vi5 Jul 2016 #84
5 citood Jul 2016 #85
3 RandySF Jul 2016 #86
8... StraightRazor Jul 2016 #88
7. Ilsa Jul 2016 #89
Poll numbers aren't reliable in this race Nedd Ludd Jul 2016 #90
Any republican has at least a 45% chance of winning Renew Deal Jul 2016 #91
100 (not a typo) Panich52 Jul 2016 #93
6 60/40 Hillary yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #94
9 workinclasszero Jul 2016 #95
0-1 mcar Jul 2016 #98
9 - Racism and Sexism Sell TomCADem Jul 2016 #99
It depends on what axis you mean mythology Jul 2016 #100
3 out of ten. much like his percentage chance of winning per nate silvers model. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #102
3 or 4 during the day, 9 or 10 around midnight emulatorloo Jul 2016 #103
10 because of the Bernie or Bust people. redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #104
10+ doc03 Jul 2016 #105
3 Feet High and Rising Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #106
10 Inspired Jul 2016 #107
Goose egg MrScorpio Jul 2016 #108
5.5 -- a one for low likelihood averaged with a ten for grievous consequences. Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #109
4, used to be 1-2, but we're one "October Surprise" away from our first orange president 0rganism Jul 2016 #110
2 Dem2 Jul 2016 #111
About 5 get the red out Jul 2016 #112
I'm at mvd's level peggysue2 Jul 2016 #115
A post convention bump is pretty normal. I'm a 2. n/t cynatnite Jul 2016 #120
0, he's not winning shit. JRLeft Jul 2016 #121
7....however woolldog Jul 2016 #122
0. Capt. Obvious Jul 2016 #123
Zero. betsuni Jul 2016 #125
10 terip64 Jul 2016 #126
I'm a 10 The empressof all Jul 2016 #127
I'm at 10! Not because of the recent polls, but because way, way, too many people napi21 Jul 2016 #128
7 hollowdweller Jul 2016 #129

drray23

(7,627 posts)
1. I would be around three as well.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jul 2016

It is very very unlikely he ever makes it to the white house but I can not rate it a zero since there is no telling what he and his supporters could do to get the votes.

mvd

(65,173 posts)
8. We should have a great convention that provides a stark contrast to people
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jul 2016

Big variety of speakers who will all tell the truth about Trump. After that, I hope I am down to your 1 or 2.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
4. 0-1
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jul 2016

I want Trump to lose but I don't really worry too much about these things. In a politic that's dominated by two parties, there's a 50 percent chance Rs will win. That's reality. It will happen or not, regardless of how much I worry or not.

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
24. Even Nate Silver wouldn't commit like that if the odds were 99.5% in HRC's favor. It's reckless.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jul 2016

.


Besides, folks pontificating that it's a sure thing will decrease voter turnout.


.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
81. Does that apply to how we think DWS made things worse?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jul 2016

Cuz, so far the coverage is not pretty.

I read that Bernie tried hard to get his supporters to go Hillary, and he was booed by his supporters. I was a Bernie donor and supporter, but she is our nominee, and I will vote for her.

But, damn it is frustrating with some of the steps Hillary takes.

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
6. 7. There is a high probability, knowing how fickle and short-term memoried people are.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jul 2016

.


Only a fool would think this is in the bag, since MSM, financial powers, and reality TV show viewers swing GOP.

.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
11. About a 5.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jul 2016

I obviously understand the notion of 'convention bump' but I cannot for the life of me understand how in the world Drumpf could've gotten one on the heels of that utter debacle last week. The fact that he's even within shouting distance of HRC is confounding.

I've made it my personal mission to stomp out any signs of overconfidence or hubris on the part of folks I see in everyday life when they talk about how that 'buffoon' could never actually beat HRC. I remind them of other 'buffoons' such as Dubya and St. Ronnie.

We've got a lot of work to do, starting with this week. I can't imagine this convention won't look like a totally different ballgame to the country as compared to last week's fiasco, so hopefully HRC's convention bump will send her zooming past the Yammering Yam for good.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
12. I'm at 2, but it might tick up to a 3 ...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jul 2016

depending on if convention delegates keep "booing" Democrats and Democratic leaders' calls for Party Unity.

mvd

(65,173 posts)
17. Even as someone who strongly supported Sanders, I am hoping that
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:24 PM
Jul 2016

there is no chaos at the convention. Regardless of what I think about the DNC e-mail leak, Hillary is the party's nominee and our only chance to beat Trump. Some protests are ok, but we need a strong convention to help keep Trump out.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
13. -4.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jul 2016

Negative 4.

Definitely negative 4. We're currently in a better position than we were in 2008 or 2012 at this time and we won both handily, so yeah, negative 4.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
14. Around a 2. Regardless of polling, etc I firmly believe Trump is going to implode
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jul 2016

I just don't see him making it through the debates and additional media scrutiny without saying or doing something so monumentally stupid that it can't be ignored.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
15. I started today with a 0 - now I am at 9
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jul 2016

This shit with the BS delegates and their disruptive actions is doing nothing but helping the Trump campaign.

Giving them fodder to feed on.

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
20. All it takes is a "Tom Ridge Code Red" or another document dump a week before the general.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jul 2016

.


Some big terrorism event to freak people out, even though this is the safest decade in 50 years.


.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
19. 5 - A 10 danger to the country and the world IF he is elected. A 0 danger if he is not elected
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jul 2016

which seems more likely.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
22. 10
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jul 2016

The stakes are too high to be anything other than 10. The country and all R our progress could get flushed down the toilet in one election. Everything is gone and multiple wars will be at hand.

Jack Bone

(2,023 posts)
26. 9
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jul 2016

I feel that the current Democrat attempt at fighting Trump will backfire.

if we're gonna win...we have to tell America where were gonna take them...not just "The Anti-Trump" ticket.

Jack Bone

(2,023 posts)
60. Yeppers...I heard Hillary and Bernie speak today.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jul 2016

still @ a 9, and beginning to search for school transcripts

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
27. 5-6
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jul 2016

After the Brexit vote, who knows what the fuck can happen in politics...

I will say that if Trump wins, I'm going to blame some very specific so-called "liberals" who claim to be Dems, and this party will have a purge that makes Turkey look like a Girl Scouts cookout...

RAFisher

(466 posts)
29. 7 - Yesterday I signed up to be a volunteer for Clinton, the RNC motivated me to do that.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jul 2016

Gun to my head I still say Clinton wins but very very close. Kerry states plus Virginia, Colorado and New Mexico would give Clinton the win, 273EV. But the danger of Trump is absolutely terrifying. I don't think that can be stressed enough. These people are pro-Russian, post-factual lemmings. I believe Tony Schwartz when he thinks Trump will be the end of the world. I think too many Dems are complacent and have taken for granted the great President we've had for the last 8 years.

Wake the fuck up people. Trump's message is resonating with people. Despite how stupid we think he is people are supporting him. Reassuring each other that Trump can't win is doing nothing to getting Clinton elected. Do something about it and help the Clinton campaign.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/forms/volunteer/

Utah_liberal

(101 posts)
130. I know of very vew white males who will vote for Hillary
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:04 PM
Jul 2016

However, I do live in Utah. What alarms me is, despite the fact I am in a union who endorsed Bernie in the primaries, I know of very few of my white male co workers will vote for Hillary and admit they will vote for Trump. It's quite alarming to me. I hope this is just an anomaly.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
30. Zero.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jul 2016

No matter how much the media shills for him, he's up against a great D candidate and - ultimately - the Electoral College.

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
38. I was about a 2
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jul 2016

but I think I'm up to 6 or so. This Trump-Putin link and the way he media is pushing the DNC thing have me spooked.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
41. I would put it at about a 4. I still think that Hillary will win but the latest analysis by Nate
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jul 2016

is terrifying. But one thing I do know. If Trump wins I will not leave the country that I love. I will stay and fight to take it back.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
42. 10
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jul 2016

I don't think Trump will win, but the fact that he got this far and the fact that nations periodically have love affairs with fascists is enough to make me worry that I actually would have preferred to see Hillary run against Kasich or Cruz (awful as they are) because at least that way we'd be guaranteed a sane president who would operate within the Constitution. Trump has the potential to be as dangerous as any leader since WWII. A Trump-Putin coalition could mean WWIII.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
44. 10. I'm worried that the Russians have more up their sleeves. This was just a test balloon to
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jul 2016

see if the fragile Democratic unity could be broken.

Response to eastwestdem (Reply #44)

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
45. 10!
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jul 2016

I'm surrounded by these Trump-loving idiots... in ILLINOIS! Where Clinton leads by 14 points in the polls.

This state elected another Republican narcissist -- Bruce Rauner. I never thought I'd live to see the day that a Republican like Rauner would be elected in a blue state like Illinois. But this is what happened in the wake of Democratic complacency.

We need to start taking this foreign and domestic threat of the Trump campaign a lot more seriously or we will be completely devastated come election night.

izzybella

(236 posts)
96. 5
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:43 PM
Jul 2016

If it makes you feel any better, I only know 2 people (other than hopelessly Republican relatives over the age of 65) who support Trump. And I am in red Arizona. Most of my peers are so disgusted by Sheriff Joe and his antics that they are turned off by anyone he endorses!

I believe that Trump will win my state, but not by as much as Republicans in the past. I also think that both Sheriff Joe and McCain are in trouble here.

I think Clinton will win if we can get people to the polls!!

helpisontheway

(5,007 posts)
48. I'm at a 7 now. I was at a 1 because I did not
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jul 2016

think there were that many stupid people in this world. I did not believe that people would put party over electing an incompetent man. However, now I guess people say forget the country as long as they win. I thought GWB was awful but Trump is downright scary.

quitnesset

(56 posts)
49. 10
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jul 2016

I'm of retirement age and I am scared to think of what would happen to our IRA account if he is elected - so I told our broker to take everything out of the market and put it into a money market fund until after the election. Ill be damned if I allow trump to ruin both my country and our retirement years.

TeamPooka

(24,223 posts)
50. I'm a 7. Celebrity is the most powerfull force in America. We elected The terminator
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jul 2016

gov here in CA
Twice
The 2nd time we knew he was fucking the state up big time.
Did it anyway.
Reagan, Jesse ventura,
America likes the famous way out.
Be afraid
Get Out The Vote!

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
101. This is me exactly. But I wouldn't call them Sanders supporters. I'd call them Trump trolls.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:15 PM
Jul 2016

The Sanders supporters are with Hillary, as Sanders is.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
55. 1000
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jul 2016

Actually, that's how worried I am about IF he wins, what will happen.

I'm not sure how likely a win is for him. I need to see post-convention polling.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
58. After the response to Bernie's speech from his delegates
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jul 2016

and the likelihood that they are going to make an utter f*cking shit show of this convention - 10.

 

glennward

(989 posts)
61. I didn't see the entire speech. Did he even say anything about them screaming "Lock her up?"
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jul 2016

If not, he is worse than even I believed.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
62. Nothing. He said "We must elect Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine"
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jul 2016

HUGE boos from the crowd, screaming, chanting WE WANT BERNIE.

He did not address his delegates' boorish behaviour - booing Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Lee, chanting LOCK HER UP at the CA delegates breakfast, nothing.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
59. 10 on a good day.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:05 PM
Jul 2016

Trump buys everything else so why won't he buy the services of hackers to take care of those pesky voting machines.

katsy

(4,246 posts)
64. 6 - 8
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jul 2016

What continues to surprise me is the level of anger throughout the electorate.

It's why there is a trump. And it doesn't matter how vile he is, how well established his corruption is communicated, no matter his bigotry & racism, no matter his offshoring his production, how he hides his tax returns, rumors about russia buying his influence... nothing is sticking.

I'm a SBS supporter & i'm with HRC now 100% happily and even the angry Democrats are freaking me out. Yes, it's great dws is out and the entire dnc needs a purge for their stupidity and bigotry but how can anyone not get behind our nominee now? I love SBS and he is with HRC so wtf!!!!!

The anger. I can make a mile long list of how corruption has infected our political discourse and perceptions. It's affected our finances, our health, dashed our hopes. People are pissed. So I am scared of a trump win.

niyad

(113,289 posts)
66. 10. I don't trust der drumpfenfuhrer, and I won't breathe easy even aftr HRC is sworn in.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:39 PM
Jul 2016

people keep saying drumpy is a joke. I remind them that many thought the same of hitler, and look how well that worked out.

Silent3

(15,210 posts)
67. Seeing Trump apparently getting a bump from the dumpster fire that was the RNC? 9.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jul 2016

If people could want to vote for Trump MORE after that disaster, not less, and here we are, too many of our fellow Democrats ready to tear the world down over DWS... I've lost faith in voters to make an intelligent decision.

This article I've just read doesn't help either: http://bit.ly/2ao8jEx

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,181 posts)
68. 10 on the consequences of Trump winning. 4 on the chances.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:44 PM
Jul 2016

I still believe we are too sane as a whole.

But strange things have happened.

genna

(1,945 posts)
71. I'm at a 10
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jul 2016

I don't underestimate the bubble I live in being a blue state with a mf-ing Republican governor. I don't know how that happens when over 60 to 65% of this electorate are registered Democrats.

I've lived in 2 red states in the midwest. I can promise that if they are as upset with race baiting, religious zealotry, and nativism but are also really tired of the way they think their paychecks are decreasing; then they might spite 'the so called establishment' by electing Trump.

I'm not leaving the U.S. If my ancestors could make it through slavery, the black codes/Jim Crow, segregation with separate and unequal due process, then my generation can make it through open police shootings, casual disregard and current social isolation we have now.

Donald Trump is just one more burden to bear. If George W., Cheney, Scalia didn't blow up the world in 2000 and 2004; then we may survive.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
72. 6-7. The hard lefties haven't the intelligence to understand what
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jul 2016

they have already won, and what they could win in the years to come, which is ultimately the left's genetic failing. i.e. the first item on the Hard Left agenda is the split.

BS was never going to win the nomination with/without DWS. He might have caucused with the Democrats, but he was an outsider to those working in the DNC.

The clear reality now is that if they don't rally around the Democratic candidate, the knives will be out for them in November, should the Oompa loompa win.

Response to mvd (Original post)

superpatriotman

(6,247 posts)
77. 9
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jul 2016

This country is full of low-information folks who believe in fairy tales.

Hillary is not selling a fairy tale. Comrade Don is.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
78. 10
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:58 PM
Jul 2016

I don't think he'll win, but the slightest possibility that he might makes me feel sick to my stomach.

citood

(550 posts)
85. 5
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jul 2016

The polls mean nothing - they are just an echo chamber for the pollster's assumptions...based on historical turnout models.

All that goes out the window with Trump, and its a 50/50 coin flip. We won't have any idea, until election day.

 

StraightRazor

(260 posts)
88. 8...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jul 2016

This election shouldn't be any closer than 30 points considering it's Donald J. Trump we're talking about.

If Hillary manages to win, she'll do so by a razor-thin margin.

Nedd Ludd

(8 posts)
90. Poll numbers aren't reliable in this race
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jul 2016

My fear is that the polls are inaccurate due the nature of one of the candidates. Trump is a racist, misogynist, fascist. People tend to downplay their support for candidates like this in polls because of the poor reflection it casts back on them. So while openly denying it, they secretly do support such candidates.

Unfortunately, racists and other alt-rightists have been given the green light to spew their vile "opinions" due to the media's inability to call Trump on his lies and hate forcefully or fiercely enough.

Even if he doesn't win, the mere fact that nearly 45% of people in the polls I'm watching are for Trump means we have failed as a society to guarantee freedom to all of our citizens. That is enough to make me afraid.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
95. 9
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jul 2016

I'm afraid with the help of Putin and the anarchists, greens, stay at homes etc that that scumball will have a good shot at it now.

This country is finished if that nazi wins.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
99. 9 - Racism and Sexism Sell
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:07 PM
Jul 2016

Trump legitimizes hate and I think many folks are very hateful. Remember the Willie Horton smears against Dukkakis? Well, Trump is way past that.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
100. It depends on what axis you mean
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jul 2016

In terms of his likelihood of winning, that's about a 2 or 3. The potential consequences, that's more or an 8.

0rganism

(23,945 posts)
110. 4, used to be 1-2, but we're one "October Surprise" away from our first orange president
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jul 2016

i'm fairly sure the RNC and their various allies have a nice fat DNC email dump planned for October.

what i'm far more concerned about is a nasty terrorism incident perpetrated by a Muslim immigrant. if it happens in October, the fear vote would turn out quite effectively to elect the candidate with the most authoritarian agenda.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
115. I'm at mvd's level
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jul 2016

I would say a cautious 3. I say cautious because I do not think we can afford to be complacent. Trump has gotten his convention bump and Hillary will get her bounce as well. Then the real contest begins and the poll numbers, state-wise and national, get very real.

I have faith in the team and the incredible Democratic GOTV operation. We're going to win this thing. Because we must.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
122. 7....however
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jul 2016

reading this thread has moved me up to an 8 because of the idiotic complacency of most Dems.

The empressof all

(29,098 posts)
127. I'm a 10
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jul 2016

I remember Gore won and somehow Bush became President.... and then he was re-elected. Then Trump got the Republican nomination.... Proves there are lots of Mis-informed, ignorant people out there who vote.

I'm not confident at all that Hillary will win.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
128. I'm at 10! Not because of the recent polls, but because way, way, too many people
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:56 PM
Jul 2016

believe the don the con can (or really wants to) do what he's promising. I try to tell people he CAN'T build a wall between the US & Mexico because it CAN'T physically be done! There are things like mountains, gorges & waterways that prevent it. I CAN'T bring those old high paying jobs back. IF, and that's a big IF, he does manage to renegotiate all those treaties, and somehow force the mfg. to be done in the US, those employers will never PAY THE Wages they used to.

I grew up in PA. and still lived there when all the steel & iron works closed down in Pa. & Ohio. The workers were nearly destroyed. Lots of then were in their late 40's or 50's and couldn't find ANY JOB at all! They nor their families have forgotten the effect on them and the entire country. They blame it on NAFTA. Don the con says he'll bring those jobs back, and they are so desperate, they believe him!

People like those folks live in the sections of different States that we Democrats rely on to always be Democrats and VOTE for the Democratic candidate. If a majority of them vote for Don the con, WE LOSE!!!!

That's why I'm at level 10 and will remain so unless something really dramatic happens to convince me that I'm wrong.










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