2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy would HRC immediately hire DWS after corruption revealed?
Why would Hillary even consider hiring DWS? I don't understand her actions.
Do you?
bonemachine
(757 posts)"continue to serve as a surrogate for [the Clinton] campaign", perhaps?
Cosmocat
(14,562 posts)Makes no sense, at all.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)DWS wasn't going to step down.
This was a face saving move for her to get her to quit.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Still not a good move. It hurts Hillary
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #5)
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Maven
(10,533 posts)"Honorary chair" means nothing. In fact what it does tell me is that the Clinton campaign was directly involved in getting her to step down.
Johnny2X2X
(19,036 posts)The headlines are killing Hillary about this and Trump is pounding. Just idiotic. I don't care if they made her grand pubah of the candy jar, this was a terrible decision.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)I am sorry to say, we see a pattern of quick decisions that are off-track. We need to help Hillary change this behavior, immediately.
Maru Kitteh
(28,337 posts)Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)to get her to leave without raising a stink
LisaM
(27,800 posts)Did you read the emails, or just the headlines? The emails were hardly damming.
Johnny2X2X
(19,036 posts)The optics are terrible and it's all Bernie supporters needed, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump gets more Bernie votes than she does now. Just idiotic and it's going to hang over the convention all week.
What a slap in the face to progressives. How could she make this mistake? Why not at least wait a week? The ads the Reps are gong to air about it will be effective.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)For all I know, this was the deal required to keep the matter quiet.
Qutzupalotl
(14,300 posts)Just a guess.
emulatorloo
(44,112 posts)I'm sure you know that. In the same way that "Honorary Degree" is meaningless. Or do you think I could get a specialized job based on an honorary degree? I doubt you think that at all.
DWS was forced to resign and had been publically humiliated. She has no power anymore
That is exactly what we wanted.
Johnny2X2X
(19,036 posts)This looks terrible to the voters and plays right into the Crookee Hillary narrative Trump has as the key theme of his campaign.
Just incredibly stupid and it could cost her any bounce she might receive this week.
emulatorloo
(44,112 posts)to them when compared to jobs, revitalizing middle class, protecting the poor and marginalized, etc etc.
Yes it is an issue for junkies like us. However universe does not revolve around DU'ers and our counterparts at Free Republic.
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)DWS likely wouldn't have stepped down if she weren't offered concessions. If you read articles as far back as 2013, you will see President Obama and others have been trying to pry her loose from the DNC Chair for awhile, but haven't been successful because she's threatened to badmouth them and had gathered allies in her corner who would do the same.
LiberalFighter
(50,865 posts)Unless DWS has regular specific duties she was not hired by the campaign. All she will be doing is being a surrogate which are generally non paying positions. There are hundreds of surrogates across the country acting and speaking on Hillary's behalf.
DWS wouldn't have time to be performing regular duties for Hillary's campaign when she has her own re-election campaign to run.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,865 posts)that misrepresents what is happening.
msongs
(67,394 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)But I guess that doesn't matter as she has opened up such a wide lead over Trump....er, wait a minute
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)It cuts to the very heart of the Democratic Party, and aside from a sitting President running for re-election, I've never seen a party machine so thoroughly dominated by the supporters of one candidate - and to the specific detriment of others.
For awhile I told myself that it probably didn't matter, HRC was destined to prevail regardless. But now I don't know. I don't know if the outcome might have been different with a fair, unbiased party apparatus instead of a de facto arm of one candidate's campaign operation.
DWS resigning was overdue, but why did HRC feel it necessary to put her on staff immediately? Are finances that dire in the Wasserman-Schultz household? Or is it just HRC making an Alpha gesture to remind everyone who's the boss?
The whole thing stinks, and is not being handled well at all. I get it my guy lost, but when my (and others') suspicions were confirmed, would a smidgen of humility have killed anyone? I sure as hell don't want Trump to win but I am dumbfounded as to why some feel the need to spit in the face of former adversaries whose support and assistance is of the utmost importance right now. SMDH...
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Meaningful.
P.S. What is SMDH?
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)Sorry for letting the text generation lingo creep into online conversations... 😔
LiberalFighter
(50,865 posts)It is only a small portion that are still hanging on. The actual popular votes was Clinton: 55.4% and Sanders: 43.0% which includes other candidates. Just Clinton and Sanders it is 56.24% to 43.75%
ALSOOOOOOOOO --- that is only 43% of the primary votes. There are going to be over 120 million people voting in the general. Not the almost 30 million.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)ContinentalOp
(5,356 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)I don't take my talking points from Rapey Julian. He doesn't get to play me.
The terms of DWS new contract with the DNC under Hillary Clinton's leadership were negotiated in June. Hillary and her team have wanted a new chair since the winter. Obama was reluctant to replace DWS.
According to the terms of DWS's new contract, she was to step down as chair at the end of the convention. Her honorary position is part of her contract.
Of course, DWS can be fired for cause. But to do that, a judge would require actual evidence. Rapey Julian's word might be good enough for some, but it would not suffice in a court of law.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Don't just blindly believe dishonest headlines.
choie
(4,111 posts)be part of her administration anyway, no matter what
PufPuf23
(8,764 posts)for such a long time and to such a degree.
Why?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)as has been reported?
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)"...glad she (DWS) has agreed to serve as honorary chair of my campaign's 50-state program..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141529368
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)for her efforts, both past and present?
If not I've got this wonderful bridge that just came on the market, I think you'll love it...
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)bridge or no bridge.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)In my lifetime I've observed a profound inverse relationship between proclaimed knowledge/intellect and actual. Your posts only confirm my observations.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)in the real world are unpaid. Has that, also, been your "observation" oh great sarcastic one?
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)Aside from direct compensation, there's the flow of dollars that a party position brings in from donors, and often times the inner circle of said party official wet their beaks... As her PAC salaries exceeded PAC political disbursements as recently as this year...
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)That is the position we are talking about, right?
And I won't even go into your "beak wetting" claim. My observations suggest a profound inverse relationship between internet users' proclaimed knowledge/intellect and their ability to stay on topic.
helpisontheway
(5,007 posts)to a friend/supporter. Like some said DWS was one of the last surrogates out there (besides McCauliffe) supporting her in 2008. I remember because I was furious when she was out there for Hillary when it was not mathematically possible for her to win. Anyway, I get that she feels a since of loyalty to her. However, there is a lot at stake this election. DWS should understand that saving this country from Trump should be our focus now. We do not need to be involved with her scandal.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)At least not one that can present an actual bit of evidence.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Response to Equinox Moon (Original post)
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FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)lifeline, but, I think she does not get how bad this looks. DWS is in a political primary fight of her life against challenger Tim Canova on August 30th. She may well loose her place on the ticket to run for re-election. Let's hope she does because she is smearing Hillary and all the Democrats with this shit sandwich she made. Having her off the ballot will only help!!
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Do you know what an Honorary Co-chair does? Nothing, is exactly correct.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I'm seeing a lot of anger but no actual "she did X" claims.