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Why would HRC immediately hire DWS after corruption revealed? (Original Post) Equinox Moon Jul 2016 OP
So that she can bonemachine Jul 2016 #1
I have no idea Cosmocat Jul 2016 #2
It makes plenty of sense Loki Liesmith Jul 2016 #5
Maybe. A back-channel deal. Equinox Moon Jul 2016 #16
The alternative was her staying on as DNC head for months and months Loki Liesmith Jul 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #56
It's a fake title, handed out as a face-saving measure Maven Jul 2016 #3
It means a lot to the voters Johnny2X2X Jul 2016 #12
I'm with you Equinox Moon Jul 2016 #25
Your concern is so touching, and believable. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #31
I am quite serious. Equinox Moon Jul 2016 #34
Politics-as-usual. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #4
Face saving maneuver Loki Liesmith Jul 2016 #6
Corruption? LisaM Jul 2016 #7
Dumbest decision imagineable Johnny2X2X Jul 2016 #8
Humiliating DWS was probably deemed unwise. Orsino Jul 2016 #9
To placate AIPAC? Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #10
"Honorary Title" equals "Meaningless Title" w no power, no responsibility. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #11
That's not what the voters are seeing Johnny2X2X Jul 2016 #15
I expect majority of GE voters don't know or don't care as it is not an issue that is important emulatorloo Jul 2016 #24
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #13
How about a good old-fashioned stoning! NurseJackie Jul 2016 #14
Of who? Equinox Moon Jul 2016 #28
She probably didn't have a choice. liberalmuse Jul 2016 #17
Why are you believing right wing sources? LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #18
HRC had a chance to cut the string clean and chose messy Equinox Moon Jul 2016 #29
Bingo Armstead Jul 2016 #35
It still doesn't explain why you are believing right wing sources LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #46
only the bernie crowd is giving this DWS thing that much attention. to most people its zzz nt msongs Jul 2016 #19
The Bernie crowd represents 46 percent of the primary votes Armstead Jul 2016 #37
Exact-a-Mundo... Yurovsky Jul 2016 #41
Thanks for your comments Equinox Moon Jul 2016 #59
Shaking my damn head... Yurovsky Jul 2016 #60
Of which most have already gone over to Hillary. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #47
Its the top of our political party, we should all care. Equinox Moon Jul 2016 #38
What corruption? More astroturf DWS bullshit uponit7771 Jul 2016 #21
There are swords left to fall on? nt Snotcicles Jul 2016 #22
What corruption was revealed? ContinentalOp Jul 2016 #23
Because no corruption was actually revealed. annavictorious Jul 2016 #26
There was no corruption revealed. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #27
Because she was going to choie Jul 2016 #30
I don't understand why some at DU have defended and still defend DWS PufPuf23 Jul 2016 #32
Did HRC "Hire" DWS? Or, did she give her an Honorary, i.e., face saving post ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #33
HRC tweet said... Equinox Moon Jul 2016 #39
"serve as honorary chair ..." Kind of cuts against your narrative, huh? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #40
You don't think she'll be getting compensated... Yurovsky Jul 2016 #42
I see you know nothing of how Political Parties work ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #43
Tell me more, oh great enlightened one... Yurovsky Jul 2016 #44
The vast majority of party positions are unpaid, and virtual ALL "Honorary" positions ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #45
Yep, they're all volunteers... Yurovsky Jul 2016 #48
In your world, what does the word "honorary" mean? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #54
I think she was trying to be loyal helpisontheway Jul 2016 #36
So, quid pro quo? grahamhgreen Jul 2016 #52
Where was the corruption exactly? Which email was it? AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #49
Don't expect a response. Amimnoch Jul 2016 #50
yea. I am not holding my breath. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #53
Been asking this all day, to crickets (nt) Recursion Jul 2016 #62
Hillary should be trying to unite the party, not divide it. B Calm Jul 2016 #51
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #55
Tone deaf foolishness on Hillary's part. It appears she is trying to throw a loyal lieutenant a FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #57
She wasn't hired, DWS was named Honorary Co-chair... DonViejo Jul 2016 #58
What corruption was revealed? Recursion Jul 2016 #61

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
5. It makes plenty of sense
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jul 2016

DWS wasn't going to step down.

This was a face saving move for her to get her to quit.

Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #5)

Maven

(10,533 posts)
3. It's a fake title, handed out as a face-saving measure
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jul 2016

"Honorary chair" means nothing. In fact what it does tell me is that the Clinton campaign was directly involved in getting her to step down.

Johnny2X2X

(19,036 posts)
12. It means a lot to the voters
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jul 2016

The headlines are killing Hillary about this and Trump is pounding. Just idiotic. I don't care if they made her grand pubah of the candy jar, this was a terrible decision.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
25. I'm with you
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:35 PM
Jul 2016

I am sorry to say, we see a pattern of quick decisions that are off-track. We need to help Hillary change this behavior, immediately.

Johnny2X2X

(19,036 posts)
8. Dumbest decision imagineable
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jul 2016

The optics are terrible and it's all Bernie supporters needed, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump gets more Bernie votes than she does now. Just idiotic and it's going to hang over the convention all week.

What a slap in the face to progressives. How could she make this mistake? Why not at least wait a week? The ads the Reps are gong to air about it will be effective.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
9. Humiliating DWS was probably deemed unwise.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jul 2016

For all I know, this was the deal required to keep the matter quiet.

emulatorloo

(44,112 posts)
11. "Honorary Title" equals "Meaningless Title" w no power, no responsibility.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jul 2016

I'm sure you know that. In the same way that "Honorary Degree" is meaningless. Or do you think I could get a specialized job based on an honorary degree? I doubt you think that at all.

DWS was forced to resign and had been publically humiliated. She has no power anymore

That is exactly what we wanted.

Johnny2X2X

(19,036 posts)
15. That's not what the voters are seeing
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jul 2016

This looks terrible to the voters and plays right into the Crookee Hillary narrative Trump has as the key theme of his campaign.

Just incredibly stupid and it could cost her any bounce she might receive this week.

emulatorloo

(44,112 posts)
24. I expect majority of GE voters don't know or don't care as it is not an issue that is important
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jul 2016

to them when compared to jobs, revitalizing middle class, protecting the poor and marginalized, etc etc.

Yes it is an issue for junkies like us. However universe does not revolve around DU'ers and our counterparts at Free Republic.

Response to Equinox Moon (Original post)

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
17. She probably didn't have a choice.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:29 PM
Jul 2016

DWS likely wouldn't have stepped down if she weren't offered concessions. If you read articles as far back as 2013, you will see President Obama and others have been trying to pry her loose from the DNC Chair for awhile, but haven't been successful because she's threatened to badmouth them and had gathered allies in her corner who would do the same.

LiberalFighter

(50,865 posts)
18. Why are you believing right wing sources?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:29 PM
Jul 2016

Unless DWS has regular specific duties she was not hired by the campaign. All she will be doing is being a surrogate which are generally non paying positions. There are hundreds of surrogates across the country acting and speaking on Hillary's behalf.

DWS wouldn't have time to be performing regular duties for Hillary's campaign when she has her own re-election campaign to run.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
37. The Bernie crowd represents 46 percent of the primary votes
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jul 2016

But I guess that doesn't matter as she has opened up such a wide lead over Trump....er, wait a minute

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
41. Exact-a-Mundo...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jul 2016

It cuts to the very heart of the Democratic Party, and aside from a sitting President running for re-election, I've never seen a party machine so thoroughly dominated by the supporters of one candidate - and to the specific detriment of others.

For awhile I told myself that it probably didn't matter, HRC was destined to prevail regardless. But now I don't know. I don't know if the outcome might have been different with a fair, unbiased party apparatus instead of a de facto arm of one candidate's campaign operation.

DWS resigning was overdue, but why did HRC feel it necessary to put her on staff immediately? Are finances that dire in the Wasserman-Schultz household? Or is it just HRC making an Alpha gesture to remind everyone who's the boss?

The whole thing stinks, and is not being handled well at all. I get it my guy lost, but when my (and others') suspicions were confirmed, would a smidgen of humility have killed anyone? I sure as hell don't want Trump to win but I am dumbfounded as to why some feel the need to spit in the face of former adversaries whose support and assistance is of the utmost importance right now. SMDH...

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
60. Shaking my damn head...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jul 2016

Sorry for letting the text generation lingo creep into online conversations... 😔

LiberalFighter

(50,865 posts)
47. Of which most have already gone over to Hillary.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jul 2016

It is only a small portion that are still hanging on. The actual popular votes was Clinton: 55.4% and Sanders: 43.0% which includes other candidates. Just Clinton and Sanders it is 56.24% to 43.75%

ALSOOOOOOOOO --- that is only 43% of the primary votes. There are going to be over 120 million people voting in the general. Not the almost 30 million.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
26. Because no corruption was actually revealed.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jul 2016

I don't take my talking points from Rapey Julian. He doesn't get to play me.

The terms of DWS new contract with the DNC under Hillary Clinton's leadership were negotiated in June. Hillary and her team have wanted a new chair since the winter. Obama was reluctant to replace DWS.

According to the terms of DWS's new contract, she was to step down as chair at the end of the convention. Her honorary position is part of her contract.

Of course, DWS can be fired for cause. But to do that, a judge would require actual evidence. Rapey Julian's word might be good enough for some, but it would not suffice in a court of law.

PufPuf23

(8,764 posts)
32. I don't understand why some at DU have defended and still defend DWS
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jul 2016

for such a long time and to such a degree.

Why?



Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
42. You don't think she'll be getting compensated...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jul 2016

for her efforts, both past and present?

If not I've got this wonderful bridge that just came on the market, I think you'll love it...

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
44. Tell me more, oh great enlightened one...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jul 2016

In my lifetime I've observed a profound inverse relationship between proclaimed knowledge/intellect and actual. Your posts only confirm my observations.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
45. The vast majority of party positions are unpaid, and virtual ALL "Honorary" positions ...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jul 2016

in the real world are unpaid. Has that, also, been your "observation" oh great sarcastic one?

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
48. Yep, they're all volunteers...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jul 2016
https://www.democrats.org/about/work-with-us

Aside from direct compensation, there's the flow of dollars that a party position brings in from donors, and often times the inner circle of said party official wet their beaks... As her PAC salaries exceeded PAC political disbursements as recently as this year...

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
54. In your world, what does the word "honorary" mean? ...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jul 2016

That is the position we are talking about, right?

And I won't even go into your "beak wetting" claim. My observations suggest a profound inverse relationship between internet users' proclaimed knowledge/intellect and their ability to stay on topic.

helpisontheway

(5,007 posts)
36. I think she was trying to be loyal
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jul 2016

to a friend/supporter. Like some said DWS was one of the last surrogates out there (besides McCauliffe) supporting her in 2008. I remember because I was furious when she was out there for Hillary when it was not mathematically possible for her to win. Anyway, I get that she feels a since of loyalty to her. However, there is a lot at stake this election. DWS should understand that saving this country from Trump should be our focus now. We do not need to be involved with her scandal.

Response to Equinox Moon (Original post)

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
57. Tone deaf foolishness on Hillary's part. It appears she is trying to throw a loyal lieutenant a
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 05:10 PM
Jul 2016

lifeline, but, I think she does not get how bad this looks. DWS is in a political primary fight of her life against challenger Tim Canova on August 30th. She may well loose her place on the ticket to run for re-election. Let's hope she does because she is smearing Hillary and all the Democrats with this shit sandwich she made. Having her off the ballot will only help!!

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
58. She wasn't hired, DWS was named Honorary Co-chair...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jul 2016

Do you know what an Honorary Co-chair does? Nothing, is exactly correct.

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