Just a reminder that we are not being allowed to celebrate the historic nomination

[auntpurl]

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of a woman for president in a major political party.

God forbid we have ONE MINUTE to celebrate and enjoy something many of us have been looking forward to for most of our lives. God forbid little girls watching should think for one minute that a woman can aspire to something so ambitious without being vilified by many member of her OWN political party. God forbid I could get through the first day of a convention nominating a brilliant, accomplished, LIBERAL woman to the presidency without crying for an hour and walking around with a lump in my stomach the size of Texas.

Thanks, you selfish thugs. You wanted to ruin it and you got your wish. Congrats, I guess.

EDITED TO ADD: this OP was posted during the worst of what was going on last night. I am hoping it will not represent the rest of the convention going forward. I cannot reply to posts in this thread because I had a post hidden (my first EVER). Thank you for all your replies.

[Agschmid]

1. It sure is an interesting dynamic.

[bigwillq]

2. Why not?

No one is stopping anyone from celebrating. Go on and celebrate.

[auntpurl]

3. I cannot answer you without violating the TOS.

So I will ask you politely to leave me alone.

[bigwillq]

8. Ok. I'm too busy celebrating. So all good.

Have a good one.

[auntpurl]

10. I'm sure you are.

Congrats. You must be so proud.

[bettyellen]

38. As a working woman, it's impossible not to recognize the sexism behind the assholery

And it's even worse to come here and have people tell you to "prove" it's sexism. All because we have civil rights issues and refuse to deprioritize them.
As a woman, it's been exhausting and I'm over it.

[bigwillq]

44. For the record, I disliked Bill Clinton just as much.

But I hope Hillary Clinton wins the presidency. I hope those folks change their attitudes towards women and other minority groups. Have a good one.

[bettyellen]

55. Thanks- you have always been awesome- which is why I bothered to give a thoughtful response

I get that a lot of people -even women- who don't get that, I know few that have worked alongside men that don't have loads of stories. But, you know- we can't prove a thing, and some people are watu too gleeful when they point that out to us.
It's fucking tiresome.

[Rose Siding]

96. You disliked him as much as who?

[bigwillq]

97. Hillary Clinton

I am not a fan of the Clintons, from way back. But I hope Hillary Clinton wins the presidency.

[emulatorloo]

127. Can we please drop the 'fan' framing? Bernie 'fan', Obama 'fan', HRC 'fan'

It is demeaning both to the candidates and to supporters.

It was used by Repubs against Dems in 2008 if you remember:

Obama was 'the celebrity candidate' and supporters were 'fans.'

We allegedly were celebrity mad teenagers swooning over a teen idol, instead of voters who cared about policy and direction of the country.

I know you don't mean it like that of course. But those are the connotations.

[bigwillq]

128. What do you want me to call them?

I call myself a Bernie fan, a Rosa DeLauro fan, a Chris Murphy fan. I don't see anything wrong with that.

[emulatorloo]

129. Dunno, supporters? 'I'm not a HRC supporter'?

Do what ever you'd like of course.

[rjsquirrel]

57. Agreed

It has been painfully obvious to me for months now that much of the anti-Clinton rhetoric on our side (supposedly) has been just as misogynist as her haters on the right.

I'm a guy, but I'm woke and have a clutch of daughters who helped me see straight. For me, supporting a woman is absolutely a big reason I am proud to be a
Clinton supporter.

[bettyellen]

65. I made a vow this spring to say "that's awesome" whenever I hear of an ambitious accomplishedwoman.

I think it's a predjudice we need to set aside, along with all the other more tangible things conservatives are trying to control us with.

[adigal]

140. I don't like Hillary because she is moderate, not liberal

To label criticism of her as sexist is ridiculous. Yes, some is sexist, but others have valid concerns and to not see that is willful ignorance.

[bettyellen]

142. I know I can't prove the visceral reactions I have seen mean what I believe....

But I've seen the same senseless ugliness over and over again in the work place. Being an ambitious woman is extremely offensive to a lot of people in this world- even among people who feel they are liberal. I stopped counting how many times
men reacted as if I was horribly mean just for calmly expressing disagreement.
You can't really explain it to people who have not experienced it, and that includes younger women and women who have been fortunate enough to work in egalitarian enviornments. They are still all to rare.

[Cali_Democrat]

4. I can't help but think that Hillary's gender has a lot to do with the vitriol.

A male nominee would never be treated this way.

[MichiganVote]

29. +1

[DURHAM D]

45. +100

[baldguy]

66. Yes.

Funny that the female candidates/politicians can't every seem to measure up to the standards of the "progressives".

Not very progressive of them, is it?

[beastie boy]

76. It sure is.

Bernie is just an excuse. Just like Benghazi is just an excuse. Just like the emails are just an excuse. Just like DWS is just an excuse...

[sarae]

77. +1

So true...

[fleabiscuit]

84. +1 yup.

[Stryst]

100. I disagree

Maybe some of the bile has to do with sexism; maybe even a lot of it. I don't know, I spend a lot of time on DU but I don't see a bunch of MRA assclowns spouting all over the front page. Institutional or publicly invisible bias is the foundation of the pyramid of oppressing, and we should absolutely be fighting it, and celebrating the diversity of our party. And it's awesome that we are socially evolved enough to make a woman our nominee. But she's also rich, white, and christian.

Can you understand that some of us are unhappy about the class issues? The anti-marriage equality speeches? The Iraq war vote?

We're going to vote her in, but a lot of us feel like this is a situation of choosing the lesser evil. I mean, wouldn't having the first Jewish president be awesome? Hell, just having the first non-christian president would have been momentous. I mean, the only candidate for major office who was Jewish was Joe Lieberman.

So yeah, I'm going to vote for her. We've had our first black president, and now we're going to have our first woman president. But it's still not breaking the chain of rich christians ruling the country.

And, while I'm not challenging you, this is just a little something to put out in the either; but how would you feel if there were threads and posters all over DU saying that "If you don't vote for Bernie you're an anti-semite!" It doesn't feel good, and if you had genuine issues with Sen. Sanders, it would feel pretty oppressive to have your concerns be shut down by the flood of posters telling you that you were a bigot for having an opinion about someone's behavior or career that had nothing to do with their race, gender, or religion.

[Jemmons]

112. If you dont care about wars, inequality or marriage equality it is easy to see all criticisms as

something caused by sexism. Even if you do care about those thing, but have negative experience with sexism it is easy to see criticisms as expressions sexism. The next woman who gets nominated might have to think beyond sexism, but i doubt it will happen much in this round.

[Kber]

5. I'm enjoying it just fine

Can't take this away. Won't let them.

[Hortensis]

26. Me too. I get irritated, but I wouldn't give

those people the power to ruin this for me. They're mostly just actors in a fascinating election year and having their first and final big acting out at this political event. Knowing most of them are going to have to spend the next 8-1/2 years spitting at the TV whenever Hillary comes on is revenge enough. Yuck, what an image.

[David__77]

6. How do you experience that you're not allowed to celebrate?

...

[auntpurl]

7. See reply 3.

[David__77]

12. Alright.

Thanks for the reply.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

22. Then don't post an OP if your answer is

"don't talk to me."

[auntpurl]

24. See reply 3.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

30. God awful LOL!

[chwaliszewski]

91. Don't be mad, be glad!

Turn that frown upside down

[bigwillq]

53. This.

[panader0]

9. Why are you not allowed to celebrate?

[auntpurl]

13. See post 3.

[panader0]

17. Ah yes, civility is the new sexy after all.

[auntpurl]

18. I am certainly not getting my first hide for YOU.

Congrats, though. You must be so proud.

[panader0]

35. I'm sorry that you feel so bad.

But you suggested that "we" are not being allowed to celebrate, Many people are
celebrating without you. No one has spoiled this convention. I've seen many
contentious conventions. That's what this democracy thing is all about.
Feel better. Be happy.

[LisaM]

11. Yes, I have been feeling that too.

I was actually very, very depressed about this earlier today - however, once the crowd started actually listening to the speakers, things have gotten a bit better.

Every second of the 2008 convention was a joyous commemoration of such an historic event, and I was hoping that this would be the same.

[jtunes]

14. but why aren't you allowed to celebrate? nt

[NCTraveler]

15. They haven't ruined it yet auntpurl.

Plenty of time.

[sufrommich]

16. Yep. Ignore the coy "why can't you celebrate?" crap.

[auntpurl]

50. Yes, SOME people seem very able to celebrate this mess.

[cynatnite]

19. Fuck them. Celebrate away! Don't let them ruin it for you. n/t

[Loki]

74. ^This^ X 100

I am celebrating auntpurl and I'll stand right beside you!.

[jtunes]

20. this thread is a masterpiece, of passive aggressiveness nt

[HERVEPA]

81. That nails it!

[SMC22307]

106. It truly is something to behold.

Think I'm gonna go cry for an hour.

[Avalux]

21. Nothing is ruined.

As Tom Wolf said, "We're Democrats, we argue, we put ideas out, that's what this campaign has been all about, and on Thursday night, we'll leave here united".

I'm watching Al Franken right now, and it's going to be ok.

[bigwillq]

25. Great post.

[Avalux]

32. Thanks.

I've decided to be positive and promote unity tonight. Talk people off the ledge and all that.

[auntpurl]

31. Bullsh*t.

They screamed at a civil rights icon as he talked about his father and his heritage, BLM and women's rights. They screamed at a female AA pastor as she said a PRAYER.

These are disgusting thugs. Bernie delegates on MSNBC saying they will not vote for Hillary, that she should be in prison, that they will vote for Trump. Bernie delegates chanting "LOCK HER UP". These are NOT DEMOCRATS. They're not in my party and I will never again have patience to listen to their ENDLESS COMPLAINTS about everything. But hey guess what, they're not going to be the ones hurt by a Trump presidency! They don't give a SHIT about AAs, Latinos, Muslims, LGBT, women, the working poor, the poor and homeless, or the disabled. They don't give a SHIT about anyone but themselves. They will gleefully watch as those groups I mentioned get ground under the boot of a Trump presidency. They are driven by blind incoherent, violent rage. They must be the most selfish people on earth.

[Avalux]

37. The only rage I am seeing is in your post. I'm sorry you feel this way. n/t

[JRLeft]

47. All of that is fucked up.

Things will calm down.
Trust me.

[auntpurl]

58. The Trump ads write themselves.

"Hillary: even her own party hates her. Why would you vote for someone who can't even get Democrats to vote for her?"

[lancer78]

82. And yet more republicans

voted against Trump before the field got narrowed down to 3.

[LarryNM]

72. Meaning the DNC of course nt

[annavictorious]

23. I'm a long-time second-waver

proud to hand another victory to the third wave.

Don't you know though, that all the weird entitlement of the losing side to do things like "approve" a VP choice have NOTHING to do with gender.

[auntpurl]

43. Yes, of course not.

It's "principles" and "ideals".

This is OUR victory. I've got to find a way to find joy in this despite the vicious rage on display. I am trying to remember that Hillary would never let it bother her. She is far stronger than I am.

[Stonepounder]

68. Auntpurl, believe me, I understand your anger and frustration.

I'm an angry old white guy. And a life-long liberal. I've seen what women have had to put up with my entire life. I old enough to remember when there were 'women's jobs' and 'men's jobs'. I've see what women have to put up with daily in the workplace, on the streets, and in their homes. And I am royally pissed at what is happening at the DNC.

I'm also wondering how many of these booing, raucous, folk are really Bernie supporters and how many of them are tRump/Putin trolls. I was a strong Bernie supporter and was bitterly disappointed (even though I pretty much expected it) when Hillary won.

But, I am a Democrat, I bleed Blue, and I am 100% behind Hillary. She is OUR nominee and we should be celebrating the fact that we have a strong candidate who has managed to poke her head through that glass ceiling and get herself nominated to be the next President of the United States. And, notice she won the majority of the popular vote as well as the majority of delegates.

When you boo your own candidate when he tells you to 'pull up your big-boy (big-girl) pants and get behind Hillary' then you tell me that you have no respect for what this party stands for. We have to get together and beat tRump. Not just beat him, but totally repudiate him. Humiliate him. Crush him in November. GO Hillary!

[Jemmons]

113. Would your worries about sexism not be a bit more pressing if it wasn't for the political malpractice

that we have seen on part of the DNC?

[nolabear]

27. It as though the struggle never happened. ISN'T happening.

Overwhelming to know that this ceiling is about to shatter. Astounding to hear people willing to throw it away.

[auntpurl]

46. This is OUR victory.

I am trying to hold on to hope that I can find the joy in this, despite the display of rage and hatred tonight.

[Greywing]

28. I'm telling you ... watch on C-span. It is such a relief

No talking heads really makes a difference and you can watch all speakers

[auntpurl]

34. I'm watching on the livestream. No commentary.

I can still hear the boos, the screaming, the chanting, every time anyone even says Hillary's NAME. I can hear their thuggish HATRED.

[TwilightZone]

33. If you haven't already, switch to C-SPAN.

The coverage there is providing a completely different perspective. I'm with Nate Silver in that the main media is blowing this nonsense way out of proportion and that the number of distruptors is actually pretty small. Small, but vocal.

That's a start, anyway.

Other than that, I say fuck 'em. It's just the latest chapter of the same story - try not to let the same group of jokers we've been dealing with all primary season mess with the enjoyment of a historical event. It will get better. I promise.

[auntpurl]

41. I hope you're right.

I've rarely been so ashamed, appalled, furious, frightened, and sad as I have been with the display I've seen tonight. I hope it gets better.

[DawgHouse]

36. I promise you, we will be celebrating when she accepts the nomination!

[auntpurl]

39. As she's booed off the stage?

I find it very difficult to celebrate when I see a woman being attacked with blind, vicious rage.

[Jemmons]

114. So how would you feel about say Carly Fiorina being booed off the stage

by people who didnt like her corporatist positions?

[all american girl]

116. And tell me please, how exactly are Carly Fiorina and Hillary anything alike?

Carly is a republican and would never vote for her, but you better believe I was pissed the way Trump treated her...and that made me angry because I can't stand her...so your question is stupid. Women should be treated with the same respect you would give any man in that position...and quit comparing Hillary to republican women.

[Jemmons]

118. Pick the "odd man out"....

Pick the "odd man out"....

[all american girl]

123. I don't even now what this means.

[Jemmons]

131. Q&A

Someone looking a lot like you said: "how exactly are Carly Fiorina and Hillary anything alike"

[leftynyc]

117. Is Carly accepting the nomination of her party?

If not, your comparison is bullshit.

[Jemmons]

119. Does the use of "bullshit" often win the argument for you?

[leftynyc]

120. When that's what the other person

is throwing? Yes, absolutely....every single time.

[Jemmons]

121. Good for you then.

[geek tragedy]

125. She will not be booed off the stage.

Clinton people outnumber Sanders people there 2-1, and most of the crybaby boo birds from the first day will have gone outside to the fart-in where they belong.

[Desert805]

42. You cried for an hour?

That's an hour you could have spent celebrating. It's your choice, not other people's.

[MoonRiver]

48. They threw hissy fits early on, but things seem to have calmed down.

I'm loving the speakers. The young girl with a disability is awesome, especially when juxtaposed against Rump's disgusting imitation of a reporter with cerebral palsy. Powerful!

[auntpurl]

60. They're still chanting BERNIE every time someone even MENTIONS Hillary's name.

I loved the girl in the wheelchair - she was wonderful. Thank GOD they didn't boo her. I would have come through the computer screen.

[MoonRiver]

64. Me too. I was also worried about the little Hispanic girl.

Thank goodness they did not attack them! I honestly cannot hear the Bernie chanting but I know it's happening. Fortunately, for me, I'm hearing Hillary.

[sarae]

78. Screw them. They're only embarrassing themselves.

And I noticed that. I guess they have some standards. Not much, though...

[RazBerryBeret]

49. wow.

please tell me that this is not what the next four years are going to be like?

[auntpurl]

52. If these selfish people get Trump elected, it will be far, far worse.

[guillaumeb]

51. Do not allow others to dictate how and when you celebrate.

Like 2008, it is an historic occasion.

[auntpurl]

54. It is. I don't remember Obama's NAME being booed every time it was mentioned.

I don't remember vicious, vitriolic hatred being expressed by dozens of delegates to the MSM about our nominee.

[guillaumeb]

59. I am still a fan of Bernie Sanders and his ideas.

But I am now a fan of HRC and as a married father of two daughters and many female relatives, I appreciate what this says about the US.

I hope you feel much better about this soon.

[still_one]

56. It is getting better purl, and we will be united before the Convention is over

[auntpurl]

61. I hope you're right. nt

[still_one]

62. It has already started with the Franken and Silverman speech

[The empressof all]

63. Oh Jeeze...It's the first day for goodness sake!

There use to be a day when conventions were really conventions. When many candidates were nominated and there were sometimes more than one token vote

So that being said...Enjoy your victory...You earned it! But seriously nobody is sucking anyones joy here!

We can support Bernie....We can support Hillary But come Thursday...There will be one Nominee and She will be the next President.

[FailureToCommunicate]

67. It's the first day. Hillary has not been formally nominated. There will be plenty celebrating then.

Patience

[Spitfire of ATJ]

69. Sheeze,.....you'd think Bernie peed in the punchbowl.

[Blue Idaho]

70. I never thought I'd see this kind of overt sexism and racism

From Democratic delegates. Not in the 21st century. But it appears to be so.

[Cryptoad]

73. Bernie or Busters booing Cory Booker, now!

[Kind of Blue]

75. auntpurl, all the good things you've stated

about HRC's nomination is reality no matter how some want to twist it. I dare you not to give in to the surreal

Success is the best revenge and I for one am loving it.

[Beantighe]

79. Yeah, it's disgusting

BUT - the positive energy there is overall very strong and growing stronger. I refuse to let sore losers ruin this for me. I am energized. I'm excited. I want to cry. I have been waiting for this for what seems like forever. Nothing is ruined. We will soon see an accomplished WOMAN elected as President of the United States! Me? I'm celebrating - unapologetically.

[Cryptoad]

80. Now they arer booing the Firs Lady,,,, is there no limit to how low ,,,,,,,

[hueymahl]

86. I didn't hear any boos. NT

[R B Garr]

83. It got better. They don't have what it takes

to withstand the overpowering strength of these speakers. Hang in there. They are running out of time for their antics.

[John Poet]

85. Don't us Bernie supporters provide enough DRAMA for you?

Please. Things may have been a little rough at the opening, but they got better after that... and Michelle Obama knocked one out of the park for Hillary and especially for ALL women tonight, and thanked Hillary Clinton for making it almost taken for granted, today, that a woman can be elected President of the United States!

If the majority of us don't continue to tear each other apart, it will happen this year.

[hueymahl]

87. I'm sorry you feel that way. NT

[Orrex]

88. If you're talking about the assholes at the convention, then to hell with them.

At the moment they're footnotes, and in a few months they won't even be that much.

They've made themselves irrelevant and forgettable, and soon they will be forgotten.

Fuck 'em.

[Hekate]

89. It got better for me when I switched to CSPAN.

[brewens]

90. You really have to admire Hillary. Standing by her man through it all, never even imagining

how far he could go, the wealth they could accumulate or even herself one day achieving high political office! One of the all-time greatest love stories! And now she appears to be on the path of being our first woman President!

Who should play Hillary and Bill in the movie?

[calimary]

92. Why the hell not?

I was surprised to hear Chuck Todd bring that up today. How historic this convention is, for that exact reason. I do believe this is the FIRST time I've ever heard him mention that. First time I ever remember him mentioning that. Oh, it's just a woman. Meh - not that important. No big deal.

It's Freakin' HISTORIC, you jerk!

[Whimsey]

93. Love you

Spending my time drinking beer waiting for my husband for dinner. Crappy, isn't it? sexism is much more rampant in our society than racism or income inequality.

[coco77]

94. I don't see why not she is the nominee...

Everybody doesn't need to worship with you.

[Hissyspit]

95. Oh, good grief. Ridiculous.

The nomination is not over. They'll be plenty of time to do that.

But keep insulting people whose votes you need. Good idea.

[the_sly_pig]

103. exactly.

The nomination process should never be neat and clean.

[Iggo]

98. The only thing stopping you is you.

Celebrate!

[SleeplessinSoCal]

99. I hope this is like detox. And by Thursday unity will be cebebrated along with

A woman president.

[the_sly_pig]

101. meh...

[The empressof all]

102. No Fun for You! Oh My!!!!!!

I thought it was the best First Night of a Convention I've seen in years!

[roody]

104. Dont know the backstory, but why let others ruin your celebration?

[hurple]

105. Who woulda thought...

The Trump fanatics are more mature than the Bernie fanatics?

What a childish spectacle tonight. Have any of them matured past 3rd grade?

[bekkilyn]

107. I just finished watching the entire convention from 4pm EST to now and...

I thought it turned out to be a great first DNC day! Very inspiring! A few rude people at the beginning isn't going to change that.

[FuzzyRabbit]

108. auntpurl, watch the convention here: https://www.demconvention.com/liv

Don't watch it on the TV news. They live to create controversy; controversy builds their ratings and thus profits.

Instead watch the convention here https://www.demconvention.com/live/ on the Democratic Party website. You can barely hear the half dozen or so protesters and you will be spared the insane, inaccurate ramblings of the TV pundits who think we need to be told how to think.

[ismnotwasm]

109. *I'm* celebrating it

Protests don't bother me much--I live in Seattle--but damn, this is a completely historic event, and a world shaking one

It's worth celebrating. I mean dance in the street celebrating.

The protests? Well, I read there is about 50,000 people, around 50 arrests last I checked--people hoping the barrier--and that there are anarchists and other groups among them. I expect it to get ugly and violent. To me, this is an all too familiar pattern, but I sure hope it doesn't come to pass.

But there's a well-known tale in that isn't there? A woman excels, she terrifies the power structure, because when a woman excels, and fights her way forward, shes winning against all odds. That's the real problem here. The "status quo" isn't what the protesters think it is.

The power structure of the status quo, is a gendered one, a racial one. Upheld, desperately, by those whose time is...over.

Here's to all the women who have led to this moment.

[mountain grammy]

110. I don't get your meaning. We watched most of the convention tonight

and saw plenty of celebrating. I supported Bernie in the primary, but I did plenty of cheering, clapping and crying tonight. In other words, celebrating.. Go for it.

[shireen]

111. Don't waste your energy getting worked up about them

They are a loud but small petty bitter minority. As a Sanders supporter, I'm embarrassed by their behavior.

Just curious, were you watching one of the networks? I did not hear a lot of booing on C-Span. And when I did, it was easy enough to tune them out, like waving off a fly. If it was the networks, I wonder if they're fanning the flames by disproportionately focusing on the whiners.

[Hissyspit]

115. I think we should send the Chicago police in after them. Maybe rough up Dan Rather on the convention

floor.

Let's nominate Humphrey.

[avaistheone1]

126. lol

[Demsrule86]

122. I thought the same thing.

It is disgusting on so many levels and dangerous ...does nothing but help Trump.

[geek tragedy]

124. people can celebrate it all they want.

anyone who doesn't like the celebrating can go Cheney themselves.

[Scurrilous]

130. K & R

[MadDAsHell]

132. How about celebrating the candidate's policies...

and if they have the right thing between their legs or the right skin hue that gets us all giddy, so be it. Geez, if we're going to celebrate someone simply for being born with genitalia that we like, let's throw in Melania Trump.

Are we literally going to be forever using lines like "only the second woman to hold this position" or "only the 10th African-American to accomplish this feat," or will we someday just recognize these folks as people, not a color or a gender?

The more we obsess about race and gender and lose our minds whenever a female or person of color accomplishes something (which is insulting, frankly, at least to this person of color), the more the world will obsess about race and gender.

[DemonGoddess]

133. auntpurl

This IS an historic occasion! I REFUSE to let a few loudmouthed assholes ruin it for me!



You're right though, had she been a he, there is no way in HELL she would've been made to jump through hoops like she has been to mollify the losing delegation.

[democrattotheend]

134. Go ahead and celebrate

Nobody is stopping you.

[Orsino]

135. Thank you for you clarification.

But I give you permission to start celebrating early, and humbly ask to join you.


H I L L A R Y 2 0 1 6!

[gaspee]

136. I believe

the reason women have not been overtly celebrating is because we KNOW what kind of backlash it would cause.

We are subjected to that kind of treatment every time we ever speak out about anything.

I think woman are being quiet and are going to vote for Madam President in unprecedented numbers.

We just don't need to hear all the shit we're going to be given about it. We're just going to DO it.

[Grassy Knoll]

137. #100 to rec

kicking.

[adigal]

138. Sorry...Hillary is NOT a liberal. She is a centrist, a moderate

as is her VP pick.

Better than Trump but not a liberal at all.

[DrDan]

139. yet she is our nominee - and one I am proud to support and celebrate