Flipped to MSNBC to see Rachel ripping Bill's speech

[tallahasseedem]

Saying that it was rude and offensive.

WTF?

I'm officially done with them.

[MSMITH33156]

1. Channel is unwatchable...

Just a joke.

[monmouth4]

6. Oh it is. I am so done with them and Rachel should be ashamed of herself..n/t

[solara]

81. I had the exact same response..

I think Rachel just plain doesn't like Bill at all. She seemed disgusted.. and the only people who agreed with her were the token republicans. I have been hanging in there because of Rachel and Lawrence..but I think I may be done as well.

[kevink077]

73. They are horrible

If a dem ever wants to become depressed and demoralized just turn on MSNBC for 30 min. All they do is complain that the dems are not good enough.

[tblue37]

2. Huh? It was powerful, folksy, amusing, and effective. nt

[kstewart33]

46. Yes, I'm not getting the critique.

Rachel criticized Clinton's use of the term 'girl' in talking about their college years. Others thought his speech was too much about him.

About him? That wasn't my impression the entire speech.

In those college days, his term was completely appropriate. What is so insulting about that? If he had continued using the term as he proceeded through the years, then that's something to talk about. But he did not.

Really, sometimes I just don't get it with the MSNBC folk.

Clinton's purpose was to present the human side of Hillary as someone who has been completely dedicated to the less fortunate and people who are different. I thought he did a masterful job of that.

[EffieBlack]

54. That was bizarre

Criticizing him for talking about Hillary through the prism of their relationship.

Um, excuse me - he's THERE because he's her HUSBAND! What was he supposed to do - talk about her objectively as a former president analyzing the resume and qualifications of a former senator and secretary of state?

Good Lord . . .

[tblue37]

69. Many Years ago on the Johnny Carson SHow, standup comedian David Steinberg

told about how his show in New York was slammed by a New York Times critic in a review titled "David Steinberg: Me, Me, Me." The critic complained that Steinberg kept talking about himself.

On Carson's show Steinberg said, "I'm a comedian. That's what I do--I tell jokes about my life and my observations. What am I supposed to say--"A funny thing happened to YOUR wife on the way to the theater' "?

That's what this ridiculous criticism of Clinton's speech reminds me of.

[LiberalFighter]

84. I sent a tweet to Rachel criticizing her.

[mucifer]

3. You should be watching PBS they are all giving very pro Bill

comments ALL of the commentators even Brooks.

[RonniePudding]

9. CNN seemed to be as well.

[hlthe2b]

58. Yup... Brooks has actually been fair and complimentary

[pnwmom]

4. What was her problem? I saw them for a few seconds but I didn't see that part.

What was she talking about?

[tallahasseedem]

13. She was disgusted...

that he opened up with "I saw a girl" she was offended as a feminist.

I shit you not, this is insane. If my husband got up and talked about me the way he talked about Hillary, I would be over the moon!

[pnwmom]

14. I had been HOPING he would begin with when he met her. I've heard him talk about that before

and I think it's incredibly effective at "humanizing" her.

Rachel is nuts.

[cyberswede]

27. It was a great way to humanize her. Thoroughly enjoyable speech, imo. nt

[R B Garr]

80. Exactly, and he started out with the tone that he was a young, socially awkward or

shy young man, so he picked those words to illustrate his awkwardness. It's hard to imagine how someone couldn't pick that up in how he prefaced his story.

[Cha]

42. omg. that's the reason.. that's just weird. We all were yound once, Rachel..it's History!

[kstewart33]

47. Me, too. nt

[unitedwethrive]

24. Can't imagine what any Democrat could find wrong with that speech

It hit all the right notes.

[RonniePudding]

5. Yeah she said "I kept waiting for him to say enough about me."

Meanwhile the entire speech was about her and their relationship. I think Rachel needs a nap.

[Stallion]

15. They are a Team-Their lives are Intertwined-Neither Would be Where They are Without Each Other

I think Rachel took a cheap shot there-you can't tell the full story of Hillary without discussing her life partner in the Family Business. I thought it was a great speech

[pnwmom]

21. He wants people to see her through loving eyes, and the best way to do that is to let them see her

through his loving eyes.

He did a wonderful job.

[tallahasseedem]

41. Exactly...

She was one of the ones saying that the goal of the convention was to humanize her, he does, and she has a problem with it.

Disgusting.

[RonniePudding]

29. So did I

And I like Rachel, but she puts on her pants the same way I do every morning. She's not immune to lapses in judgement.

[a kennedy]

37. Right,Moshe needs to just get off the stage for a long, long time.......take a break. eom

[alcibiades_mystery]

7. Meanwhile my social media blowing up in praise

Bill has always been way smarter than the media.

[TeddyR]

8. Wasn't rude or offensive

But wasn't great, and is expected great tonight.

[pnwmom]

16. I thought it was FANTASTIC. But time will tell. n/t

[Dem2]

10. I disagree with Rachel

She watched it as a critic, her loss

[Haveadream]

11. Fail, Rachel

Is that really the best she can do?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

12. Because he called Hillary a "girl"! Really, Rachel! I turned it back to C-SPAN

[Glimmer of Hope]

19. In this context, calling her a girl was ok in my book. She is really overreaching to create some

faux drama.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

50. Yep! Context is very important.

[Starry Messenger]

96. Totally agreed. +++

[LexVegas]

17. Shes saying it was anti-feminist.

[tallahasseedem]

18. He gave a speech about how amazing his wife is...

How in the world was this anti-feminist? That speech will hit every husband in America...just don't get the hate.

[pnwmom]

26. Rachel is an idiot. He also called himself a boy, referring to the same time period.

No sexism involved.

[woolldog]

51. political correctness run amok

[MichiganVote]

32. Nonsense. And I DO consider myself a feminist from way back.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

20. She doesn't like hubby condescending to wifey

She should get over it. It was a touching speech.

[nolabear]

22. Yeah what the hell was up with that? Everyone I've communicated with loved it.

[ecstatic]

23. Rachel is wrong this time.

It was kind of a gamble for Bill to bring up their love story, but I think it was a great way for people to understand more about the human/personal side of H. Clinton. People want to know more than just her resume. They want to know her character, and also petty details. I loved how bold she was with him at the library. I loved to hear how she was so dedicated to helping kids, civil rights, etc. Rachel and Steven are just BC haters, IMO.

[tallahasseedem]

39. I thought it was an amazing speech...

Very personal in a way we have never heard about her.

[uponit7771]

25. I disagree with her assessment, she said Bill wrapped the story around him marrying her...

... I think that was the sub plot in his narrative not the narrative itself.

[MichiganVote]

28. Tone deaf. This was a perfectly acceptable and even laudable speech.

[EffieBlack]

62. That's kind of why he was there, wasn't it?

He's her damned husband . . .

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

75. Yes, and for 25 to 30 years, people have questioned their marriage. Bill's role

was to show how loving they are, a mutual love and respect.

It also takes some of the wind out of the Trump narrative, too, since he plans to go after Bill Clinton.

[uponit7771]

86. +1

[BeyondGeography]

30. Embarrassing

The hall loved it. I guess they're all stupid.

[Music Man]

31. My passionately feminist wife was quite moved by the speech.

Rachel sure doesn't speak for everyone. She's brilliant, but she's out of touch in this case.

[liberalmuse]

33. CSPAN, my friend!

It's liberating not listening to talking heads telling us how to think about every little thing.

[tallahasseedem]

43. I had been watching on C-SPAN

But was curious to hear what they thought after...BIG mistake.

[Adsos Letter]

48. Man, this 10,000 times.

On just about everything.

[VMA131Marine]

34. It's almost as if they were told to find something negative to say about Bill

[still_one]

35. Wonder if Roger Ailes has moved over to MSNBS. From what I have read is they have been going out of

their way to find supposed Bernie supporters refusing to vote for Hillary, and doing photo ops of Jill Stein

So glad to be watching this on non-commercial TV

[scheming daemons]

36. Frankly, Rachel is 100% off base here

I suspect Rachel can't understand a boy pursuing a girl in 1971 because unlike most of Hillary's contemporaries at the time, Hillary was a woman who wanted more than just to become a wife. It is what made her attractive to Bill.

Rachel has grown up in a different world and has had different life experiences and simply can't relate.

I am a middle-aged man who also fell in love with a woman who was independent and didn't NEED a man. I can relate to Bill's experience. I got it.

Rachel obviously didn't.

[workinclasszero]

38. I thought it was a great speech

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What up with Rachel? Jeez

MSNBC is pretty much unwatchable anymore.

[Nonhlanhla]

40. I'm a feminist and I loved the speech.

I usually love Rachel, but she's wrong on this one.

[BigBearJohn]

44. to HELL with Rachel. I'm done with MSNBC. Cancelling tomorrow.

[Mike Nelson]

45. Strange and...

...somewhat typical. Many times, Bill's speeches are reviewed poorly, but received well; later, the commentators pretend they praised the speech. This was a masterful speech.

[EffieBlack]

49. I had the same reaction. WTF?!

[woolldog]

55. I heard her start to say that and just flipped the channel.

I've just about given up on MSNBC.

[treestar]

52. Rude and offensive really?

How could anyone take that speech that way?

[workinclasszero]

59. Its crazy!

[tblue37]

53. I have always liked Maddow, but I have NEVER been able to watch her show

because she always goes on and on and on in a circuitous, repetitious monologue that tastaskes 30 minutes to convey a point that could be covered in 3 minutes.

My point is that on her show she is a maddeningly ineffective speaker. Bill Clinton, on ther other hand, is an excellent speaker. If she slammed that incredibly powerful and effective speech, she is full of caca.

[BigDemVoter]

78. I liked her before she turned into such a candy ass.

And I generally like candy, but not too sweet, like Ms. Maddow.

[metroins]

104. I liked her directly after Olbermann

I like the drinks she makes on TV.

Not much so at the moment. I've been watching CNN more.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

56. Even Mrs Greenspan loved Bill's speech

Go put on your horned rim glasses and Birkenstocks and cry Rachel, you dumb shit

[tallahasseedem]

66. Damn!

That's impressive.

I've been married to my husband for a very long time. Any wife or husband watching that speech was touched by the story and the love. She is out of control for saying it was anti-feminist.

[anneboleyn]

57. Hell even Faux News loved it. It was an excellent speech.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

60. WTF? Where does she get that?

[wyldwolf]

61. She just doesn't like Bill

Near the end of her time on air America she ripped on him for about 30 minutes.

It was a perfect example of why air America failed.

[kevink077]

63. MSNBC has been unwatchable a while

Channel is filled with loud drama queens. With friends like these who needs Fox News? Always complaining about something/never happy.

[BigDemVoter]

79. I will not watch MSNBC again. I am done with them.

And it's easy, as I don't even have cable!

[kevink077]

85. You are not missing much

Just annoying idiots that make real liberals look bad. they play right into the hands of republicans that dem voters are stuck up overly politically correct limousine liberals.

[Satch59]

64. CNN is being positive...

Except the stupid Jeff Lord who wants to bring up any negative new story...

[Pisces]

65. I honestly thought the beginning was slow and boring. He ended strong.

I must not have seen the same speech

[pnwmom]

70. I was hoping he'd begin exactly when he did -- when he met her, and they were both young.

It wasn't boring to me at all. I loved hearing their story.

[Pisces]

76. You are not alone. My friends loved it too. I may have to rewatch it.

[progressoid]

107. Yeah, it wasn't exactly his best delivery.

IMHO

[Tatiana]

67. Talking to Chuck Todd... sounds like she's trying to walk it back.

Todd pushes back -- "But they stayed together."

[tallahasseedem]

97. Apparently Todd loved it!

It's bizarro world!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

68. I'm a feminist and I have a harder time with the word Female than I do "girl"

Woman or "girl" humanizes us.

Female doesn't. A dog can be a female.

[pnwmom]

71. Also, he referred to himself as a "boy" during that same time period. n/t

[tallahasseedem]

74. I agree with you on that completely...

I don't know why people who have a problem with that. We say man or boy all the time. If he said female, it would have seemed fake.

He's a 70 year old husband talking about the moment he met his wife and SHE's offended? The PC crowd is getting a little damn nuts.

[LenaBaby61]

72. My days of loving and watching the OLD Rachel Maddow at Air America....

Are slowly leaving...

She's now moving right...

Oh well....Good things don't last forever.

I hope it's worth it Rach .....

[tallahasseedem]

77. It is sad...

I started listening to her in 2004 and have been faithful all of these years. I never in a million years thought I would hear her talk the way she did tonight. The whole network has gone crazy these past two weeks! It's time to find another one.

[workinclasszero]

99. I think MSNBC is moving right

with her.

[John Poet]

82. What the devil did she mean ?!

That makes no sense. I was watching him on PBS.

It was different from Bill, being so personal, but...
I think it was effective. It had an effect on me, anyway,
and I haven't been very Hillary-friendly, to say the least.

I feel like I know her better now,
learning more about the fights she made and won in her earlier years--
that's someone I can get behind.

I know I probably heard most of that stuff earlier,
but maybe I wasn't ready to really listen before.

[DawgHouse]

83. Rachel is making much ado about nothing.

[uponit7771]

92. Yeah, I think she should look at the speech again... Bill pursuing Hillary was the sub plot around..

... the fact that she didn't have time for him because she was making a difference in other peoples lives and he had to ask her 3 times.

The message about her putting the liners in her daughters drawers when she went to college was .... wow.... I don't look forward to that... I'm being selfish now....

I have 3 kids...

man...

[DawgHouse]

94. Start teaching your kids to install their own liners, just in case!

[uponit7771]

110. thank you!!

[Trust Buster]

87. I think Rachel is being misrepresented here. She was referring to Bill Clinton's previous

infidelities and how he described pursuing "this girl" was a little awkward. I winced at the beginning of the speech myself but, when I realized that he intertwined all of Hillary's accomplishments throughout their journey, I became a lot more comfortable with it.

[pnwmom]

91. I think Rachel was wrong and talking about 1971 wasn't awkward. She just wanted to disparage him.

She's not a fan.

[Trust Buster]

100. I disagree. The man has a history of infidelity. Talking about pursuing "that girl" made me wince

at first until he intertwined Hillary's accomplishments throughout the context.

[pnwmom]

105. He started at exactly the right point, in my opinion. He let his listeners view her through

his fond eyes, which is exactly what he was supposed to do.

[scscholar]

88. What else do you expect from *Microsoft* NBC?

Part of my job is working in a restaurant in a Microsoft building, and their employees are so hateful.

[Tatiana]

89. Joy Reid just shut her up.

Thankfully. Maybe she'll quit repeating that talking point.

[pnwmom]

93. What did Joy say?

[Tatiana]

101. Joy basically said Bill wasn't speaking to Rachel.

He was talking to married white, middle-aged suburban women who went for Mitt Romney by over 14+ points. They are trying to win those women to the Clinton ticket. Bill's gift is to get people to pay attention and listen, even if they don't want to. Bill was re-framing the narrative about Hillary, talking about her as a wife and as a mom. Basically saying Hillary isn't the cartoon you think she is -- she's a woman, just like you. Bill was essentially making a pitch to that demographic to take another look at Hillary.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

112. Joy is much smarter than Rachel in my opinion. And always emotionally measured. A critical thinker.

[DURHAM D]

117. Yes. Joy is by far the smartest person on television.

When MSNBC started running an ad stating that Rachel is the smartest person reporting the news my tv barely survived.

[trueblue2007]

90. RACHEL NOT LIKING PRESIDENT CLINTON'S SPEECH ? What has gotten into her. It WAS not rude or offensiv

[trueblue2007]

95. posted to her page

what has gotten into you ??? President Clinton's speech rude and offensive? You are crazy girl. His speech was FANTASTIC.
I think you need to rethink your statements.

[tallahasseedem]

102. She's getting it on Twitter as well.

People are mad!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

113. I don't see that on her Twitter page. Maybe I'm on the wrong page.

[LenaBaby61]

114. She's getting it on Twitter as well.

I think her "getting it" on twitter is just a symptom of what she's slowly becoming over these past several months. I don't watch MSNRNCTMZ nearly as much as I used to, but do tune in from time to time because I do like watching a few commentators over there. Rach used to be one of them, but with the lean right of that station, I'm guessing Rach got her "marching orders" that she REALLY needs to start leaning more to the right

[tallahasseedem]

120. I think she got marching orders

to go hard right at this convention. I've never seen her like this.

[LibraLiz1973]

98. She must have watched a COMPLETELY different speech

http://ijr.com//2016/07/659488-rachel-maddows-reaction-to-bill-clinton-speech-well-this-is-how-weirded-and-grossed-out-she-was/

[workinclasszero]

118. Bizarre that she was offended by the beginning of that speech!

Crazy.

[napi21]

103. Agree with her or not, she said that about the beginning of his speech. She said

the rest of it was GREAT! I still like Rachel.

[Zambero]

106. I didn't get that either

Shocking? Risky? It actual took no less than Chuck Todd to talk her down.

[LaydeeBug]

108. I watched everything on the span, and had no trouble. Maybe they're tired

I am disappointed Rachel didn't like his amazing speech

[MelSC]

109. Sorry I've never liked her...

Ever, what an idiot.

[LAS14]

111. I just watched the clip and couldn't quite believe her!

It's all about him, she says. Well, WTF, he's her husband and he's not supposed to talk about stuff only a husband knows? She sounded like an idiot.

[David__77]

115. My friend who is a delegate turned her back to him.

I didn't see the speech.

[lucca18]

116. From Bill's speech tonight, I certainly learned a lot about Hillary!

What an accomplished person!
I never realized how much she has done, and has been involved in, to help people .
Hilary really cares.

[UCmeNdc]

119. Rachel Maddow didn't understand the target audience for Bill Clinton's speech.

Normally Rachel is quite adapt and smart at understanding the overall political reasoning for events. Here she completely missed the boat. I think she could not relate to the speech since it was directed at older men to help them understand Hillary. Bill Clinton had to use words and terms that would effectively allow this target audience to listen. I am disappointed that Rachel let her views over rule her reasoning on what is actually taking place on that convention room floor.

Hillary Clinton is going after the 50 and older men's vote and using her husband to appeal to them to consider voting for her.

Rachel Maddow shame on you for missing that bit of political drama.

[tallahasseedem]

121. Exactly!

It resonated for my husband, their intended audience, and he thought it was really good. He didn't know she did all of those things. It was perfect!

She had her marching orders apparently.