2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumKING: To stop Donald Trump, I’ll be voting for Hillary Clinton
Let's not blow this. I know voting for Hillary Clinton is going to be tough when you believe in your heart that better options were available, but it's time for us to rally behind Bernie and stop Trump. I've never said this before, but I believe that stopping Trump is a national emergency. He is that big of a threat and he is starting to pull ahead in the polls.
This is not a test. This is not a game. Please, join me, join Bernie, and get behind Clinton so that we can stop Trump together. Hold your nose if you must. Do whatever it takes, but please join us.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election/king-stop-donald-trump-voting-hillary-clinton-article-1.2726614
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Oh that idiot.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)he's throwing his support behind Hillary.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)like he's doing us a favor.
Whatever, mostly I consider him unimportant and irrelevant.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Hillary needs every vote she can get? You may consider him an idiot but if he sways any Bernie voters to not vote for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson then we need him on our side.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)No one reads him outside of New York. Hillary will win NY by 30 points.
Whatever, he was vile during the primary. I welcome his support but never saw his opinions as influential or well formed. Hey, now he sees Trump as a madman? Yay.
I'm no longer that interested in convincing *bluffing* far left folks. No, we actually don't need their votes. Rejecting them will help us attract centrist and moderate voters in key states. At this point if someone wants to stomp their feet and threaten to vote for Jill Stein, my view is that Clinton's campaign and supporters ought to be all "bye Felicia" on their asses.
They know Trump is anathema to progressive goals. They can be smart or dumb, their choice, their interests at stake:
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)I live in Texas.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)and am a strong cannabis activist too.
So we'd probably be pals in real life.
My view is that if you need a Shaun King to convince you Trump Is dangerous and it's in your interest as a leftist to support Hillary, you probably weren't a democratic vote before this election.
In principle I agree that every vote counts. But truthfully we in New York OR Texas can probably sit this one out (not that we should!).
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)But I think there are people who might need this.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)You and I see the world logically and in terms of realistic political forces, even if we supported different candidates. You'll vote for Hillary and I would have voted for Bernie had he won.
I just saying that anyone who DOES need a Shaun King to tell them why they need to vote for Hillary (after he demonized her for months) may not be someone with whom we actually need or want an alliance.
Good talking to you. Appreciate the civility.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)But I think it's an idiot thing to say that you don't need our votes.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)(As an old hippie) is that Clinton needs to win moderate republicans and centrists in swing states and that, counter-intuitively, she should run *against* the far left to get them. She seems to have this figured out already though, hence the Kaine pick.
Voting isn't additive. Many people will vote for someone who certain people oppose. Three dimensional chess. It actually helps Hillary to have the really crazed BoB crowd in their Free Mumia! T shirts walking out on her and protesting her. Makes her look like a safe centrist American politician.
Not sure is Shaun King was ever credible enough with the far left to be helpful as an enemy, but I suspect he helps at the margins of at all as a friend.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)claims to be a cannabis activist. NY is still harassing and arresting people for cannabis my State happily taxes them for. The racial disparity in enforcement is huge and also habitual over decades particularly in NYC.
So NYers have a 'things to do list' that's about a mile long.....NYC's precinct average Democratic turnout in the Primary was 12%. List one mile long.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)I'm not sure what you're even saying. In not in primary mode, which is why I want to stop caring about what former Sanders supporters want.
As a NY cannabis activist I already know the facts you cite.
I also know Hillary crushed Bernie in NY and will beat Trump here by 30+ points.
And I also believe that associating cannabis legalization with the far left marginalizes the cause. Plenty of libertarians and republicans support cannabis legalization. It's inevitable at this point.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)And I offer to you this: We already passed cannabis legalization here, you have not. Lectures from those who have not made any progress over the last few decades are amusing. Note I did not 'associate cannabis with the far left' you did. I suggested that those who say they are cannabis activists who live in States with bad cannabis laws might better spend their time working on reform of those laws than rehashing recent elections. Also, 12% turnout is shameful and does nothing to advance reform of any sort.
Four States have legalized, of course we made coalitions with the other Parties. You should too. Pass some reforms.
Cha
(297,378 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)He's going to endorse Trump, watch.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Sorry to disappoint!