2016 Postmortem
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mcar
(42,298 posts)They care nothing about the good the foundation has done; they care only for fake scandals and cheap headlines. They disgust me.
Carville is right: people will die.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)This can and will harm millions and it will kill people. I am hopping mad now. This is sheer lunacy and the level of disgusting hate is beyond comprehension!
olegramps
(8,200 posts)The MSM so-called reporters are nothing more than scum bags without an ounce of credibility. They would publish pictures their nude mother to make a buck.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is greatly admired around the world and that they should erect a strict wall themselves between their attacks on the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation, that to spit on or damage its good works would be shockingly immoral. Believe me, a new idea for around here.
The incredible hypocrisy and immorality of what's happening in the MSM now is unfortunate. However, for some time now the Clintons' charitable efforts have been obscured by all the mud thrown at them. Bringing them out for public scrutiny so that people come to appreciate them more for what they are, and associate their good works with the Clintons, is liable to backfire on the right.
We know that the right will manufacture "scandals" and string them out carefully, doling new releases out to the media with every news cycle. So fine! I hope the fake scandal filling air time until November 8 is all about the Clinton Foundation. There is nothing bad to be found and lots of good.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)More than a year ago, Jon Allen wrote for Vox about the special "Clinton Rules" that have governed much reporting on Bill and Hillary Clinton over the past 25 years. On the list are the notions that even the most ridiculous charges are worthy of massive investigation, that the Clintons bad faith will always be presumed, and that actions that would normally be deemed banal are newsworthy simply because the Clintons are involved.
The blockbuster AP story released Tuesday afternoon fits the model to a T.
Start with the card the AP used to promote the story on social media: (Couldn't copy, has this message in white letters on a large black background "card" to make it jump off the page.)
At least 85 of 154 people who met or had phone conversations with Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state donated or pledged committments to her family charity. - AP
The point of a card like this is that it will be seen and shared by many more people than click through and read the story itself.
Only a relatively small handful of people will actually read the story from beginning to end and see that theres no there there.
http://www.vox.com/2016/8/24/12618446/ap-clinton-foundation-meeting
And who's to tell them that Hillary probably met with or had phone conversations with more than 150 State Dept. people in a typical week? You know, for a "Whaaat?" moment.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)AP's original incendiary twitter announcement:
The Associated PressVerified account ?@AP
BREAKING: AP analysis: More than half those who met Clinton as Cabinet secretary gave money to Clinton Foundation.
Paul Colford, vice president and director of media relations at the Associated Press, issued a statement Wednesday afternoon defending APs reporting on Hillary Clintons meetings with Clinton Foundation donors, which has been widely criticized (by me, for example) for some deeply misleading framing.
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Promoting the story in question, the AP made a clear factual claim that a majority of Clintons meetings were with Clinton Foundation donors. This is not true, and indeed is not even what the text of the AP story says not constrained to 140 characters, the full story explains that the math threw all US government officials and foreign government officials out of the denominator. ... The AP made a slightly different version of the same inaccurate claim in a social share card associated with the story. Notice here it is directly saying that Clinton only had meetings or phone calls with 154 different people over the course of four years as secretary of state, which is clearly ridiculous.
Neither version of the claim is true. ... Colfords response simply does not address in any way the question of why AP would put out false factual claims on social media.
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But having looked into it, the reporters do not seem to have found any special favors. That in and of itself is an interesting conclusion. There has been a lot of discussion around potential conflicts of interest related to the Clinton Foundation, so the absence of any clear evidence of actual misconduct is a useful contribution to our understanding. The story the AP wrote full of arbitrary math, sensationalistic tweets, and strange insinuations is not.
http://www.vox.com/2016/8/24/12630586/ap-response-clinton-foundation
brer cat
(24,555 posts)People will die, and MSM won't care as long as their ratings are up. It's a disgrace what republicans will stoop to, but instead of calling them out, the media ramps it up.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)They're dead to me for sure.
zenabby
(364 posts)that I cannot watch TV anymore
KMOD
(7,906 posts)All this witch hunt shit is going to backfire on them.
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)sheshe2
(83,728 posts)Fugem all.
AP can investigate this
BooScout
(10,406 posts)I recognize that lil guy!
sheshe2
(83,728 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)I think that AP story has flipped my switch. I'm going to continue ripping them all a new asshole every chance I get. The gloves are off.
sheshe2
(83,728 posts)I wish I had your words Boo.
I am with you 1000%. We are Stronger Together!
skylucy
(3,738 posts)Me too, skylucy!
George II
(67,782 posts)...hundreds of millions of dollars to China, from a man who groped his own daughter on television, etc., etc., etc.
"People who live in glass houses....."
(like that!!!)
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Y'all crack me up!
sheshe2
(83,728 posts)AP, M$M, Trump and the out of tune trumpeteers can go...
vlakitti
(401 posts)The San Francisco Chronicle ran the AP article either yesterday or today and it's just as rank and disgusting as you characterize it.
The Chron editors are steeped in the stupid "both sides are to blame" meme and while they've come out against Trump, they're in the midst of nearly daily attacks on the Clinton campaign, I assume for balance.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)What a sad, twisted world we live in now.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)and don't give a rat's patooti about abstract concepts like 'truth' or 'fairness' actually manages to get someone like Trump elected, what are they going to do when the Federal Government sues their asses right out of business?
Trump has already said he would loosen up the libel laws so people could 'sue the unfair, lying media'. What are they going to do when President Trump tells the AP, or MSNBC, or CNN to report the pravda according to Trump or he will have the IRS audit them and their corporate parent companies until something is found? Or that he will have the DOJ sue them and sue them and sue them until they go broke from trying to defend against the suits?
Walter Cronkite, Edward R Murrow, Chet Huntley, David Brinkley, et al must be spinning like tops in their graves.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,169 posts)If they can't prop up Trump's numbers then they will attempt to drag down Hillary's.
UtahLib
(3,179 posts)niyad
(113,235 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)CaptainTruth
(6,583 posts)The same party that voted more than 60 times to repeal the ACA (Obamacare).
Notice a pattern? It's called "let the poor people die" & it seems to be one of the main goals of the GOP.
Laser102
(816 posts)to be lost in this political witch hunt of all things Hillary. She's not guilty of anything but according to the press there is an "appearance" of wrong doing. Screw them!
JCanete
(5,272 posts)had no interest in journalism for the last 30 years, consistently helping to manufacture the meme that they have a liberal bias while shilling for the corporations that they themselves are a part of, continually moving the nation right and pretending that the DLC wing of the democratic party is what far-left politics looks like, that sold us trade deals and wars and a climate change debate, has finally gone too far because they're poking at the Clinton foundation?
I grant you, they're only doing it because they want to gin up a horse-race for a little longer, since Trump is free-falling sooner than expected, even before the debates and one-on-one interviews that were going to make for such amusing SNL skits, and not because they actually want to meddle with the primal forces of nature. But actually looking at how money moves around in Washington seems like something that journalists should be doing. Is their agenda shitty? Their methodology suspect? Does the media often like to destroy things that are good, like acorn? Yeah. But do I trust that the Clinton's don't play the game the way it has to be played in Washington? NO. if nobody bothers to look at these things, how do we expect to change that game?
BooScout
(10,406 posts)...as you put it...... It is in fact endangering the lives of millions of people living with AIDS who rely on the Clinton Foundation for affordable medication that keeps them alive. This is not just the usual backstabbing political one-upmanship....this takes it to a whole new sinister level....one that could actually kill people. This not a game as you suggest....this is downright evil and criminal.
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olegramps
(8,200 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)they -- "they" -- were going to turn towards attacking the Foundation. And it looks like that's exactly what happened. Anything to keep the Clinton attack machine going.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)You very eloquently stated exactly what I've been thinking.
I refuse to lose sight of the concept that the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative do GOOD work and that the uber right wingers are willing to destroy all that good merely to attemp to get their unqualified asshole candidate elected.
Enough is enough!
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Enough is indeed enough.
Thanks for an eloquent OP, Boo!
gademocrat7
(10,654 posts)JPK
(651 posts)The machine started long before the Clintons became their target however it became far more aggressive and obvious during Bill Clinton's presidency. Now they have the candidate they've always wanted but he's too overt. We absolutely need to win the presidency but we also NEED to win at the very least the Senate as well.
calimary
(81,197 posts)Sorry I didn't see this earlier. I woulda said so sooner!
I've had enough, too. MORE than enough. FED-the-Fuck UP!
It's Friday, and I've spent much of the morning tweeting every cable (and other) anchor and talking head I can think of:
I'm just gonna say it. STOP PERSECUTING HER. Just STOP IT. There's NO "there" there. http://bluenationreview.com/hillarycoverageiscrap/
BooScout
(10,406 posts)I just shared it on.... #CoverageIsCrap indeed!
calimary
(81,197 posts)It comes from a Blue Nation Review essay I saw earlier this month. Definitely bears repeating. I've kept it on an open tab for a couple of weeks now, ever since I first read it.
http://bluenationreview.com/hillarycoverageiscrap/
On edit - even though it's in my earlier post, it STILL bears repeating. It's probably my favorite of the now-increasing items I've seen basically excoriating the mass media for its anti-Hillary bias - or as I'd rather describe it, its outright PERSECUTION of Hillary.
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SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Cha
(297,123 posts)from a man who calls Hillary a "bigot" and other Orwellian language. One thing I'm sure trump knows is that.. he's an empty shell and the only way he gets any traction is lie and insult his head off and hope there's enough suckers to get him into the debates.. or maybe not.
Another thing.. he needs to release his tax returns or stfu. Both would be better.
Thank you!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Spazito
(50,260 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Others getting assistance. Their response to to destroy the ones giving help. Bill was a great president and so will Hillary be a great president.
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)LeftRant
(524 posts):/