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unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 10:02 PM Aug 2016

Trump's doctor just violated HIPAA on national television

Just now on Rachel's show, there was a clip of said doctor saying of Hillary's doctor, "I know her physician, and I know some of her health history which is really not so good."

It is against the law for a health care provider to publically discuss any protected health information without direct consent of the patient involved.

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Trump's doctor just violated HIPAA on national television (Original Post) unitedwethrive Aug 2016 OP
Throw the book at him! mwrguy Aug 2016 #1
Totally. With millions of witnesses. ancianita Aug 2016 #2
Except he was lying, so he didn't really violate HIPAA. yardwork Aug 2016 #3
It's like Trump's story about what a Chicago cop allegedly told him. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2016 #6
He did slander her doctor by implying that s/he violated HIPAA synergie Aug 2016 #12
Yes, his statement is unethical in many ways. yardwork Aug 2016 #16
There will be a law suit waiting for him in December! Walk away Aug 2016 #35
Even Trump's doctor is batshit. RandySF Aug 2016 #4
If nothing else, it shows that he is completely unprofessional. unitedwethrive Aug 2016 #5
do you think the doctor will get in trouble? trueblue2007 Aug 2016 #7
She could but izzybella Aug 2016 #8
Welcome to DU, izzybella! calimary Aug 2016 #21
Even a public figure can win marybourg Aug 2016 #30
The fines for a HIPAA violation are tremendous. Laffy Kat Aug 2016 #9
The standards for slander for a politican are much higher Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #14
It would be better for dgibby Aug 2016 #34
If he's a licensed physician, NY's licensing board is the one Hortensis Aug 2016 #39
And isn't it against their oath to disclose conficential information of a patient to someone else? brush Aug 2016 #10
Doesn't that statement also indict her doctor? marshall Aug 2016 #11
Maybe not central scrutinizer Aug 2016 #15
HIPAA tightly restricts what colleagues can share. Frank Cannon Aug 2016 #26
He should be whacked on the knuckles for it, but he can claim Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #13
Best reports Trump's money can buy, pay for play. Thinkingabout Aug 2016 #17
He's got nothing, just like Assange has got nothing. MacGregor Aug 2016 #18
This is unbelievable lillypaddle Aug 2016 #19
He is -- he also claimed he wrote the Trump letter "under stress." He appears to be insane anneboleyn Aug 2016 #20
I thought Trump was his own doctor. Beartracks Aug 2016 #22
Technically speaking... Princess Turandot Aug 2016 #23
Not so good ? kacekwl Aug 2016 #24
I cringed when I heard him say that. Evergreen Emerald Aug 2016 #25
He has now given the wackos KewlKat Aug 2016 #27
Trump's doctor in incompetent....... UCmeNdc Aug 2016 #28
Ignore what he said (Why? Read up on the Streisand Effect) ArtD48 Aug 2016 #29
Don't feed the trolls. Coyotl Aug 2016 #31
He has to be an actor playing a doctor oberliner Aug 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #33
The issue is Clinton's health information, Unit 001 Aug 2016 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #46
I heard that too . . n/t annabanana Aug 2016 #36
If he is actually Trump's doctor AND whistler162 Aug 2016 #38
HIPAA is a joke. My mother works in healthcare and the biggest HIPAA violator is our own government. MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #40
Not true, she's not his patient, so he has no legal duty to protect the PHI. MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #41
Where the fuck do they get people like this??? Fast Walker 52 Aug 2016 #42
Glad it wasn't just me! lupinella Aug 2016 #43
Sue him. book_worm Aug 2016 #44
If her doctor told Trump's doctor anything, he is in big trouble. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #45

yardwork

(61,420 posts)
3. Except he was lying, so he didn't really violate HIPAA.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 10:09 PM
Aug 2016

He violated a lot of other things, but not HIPAA, since he made the part about Hillary up.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,698 posts)
6. It's like Trump's story about what a Chicago cop allegedly told him.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 10:13 PM
Aug 2016

The police department strongly denied that story a few days ago.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
35. There will be a law suit waiting for him in December!
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 04:23 PM
Aug 2016

Can you imagine trusting that weirdo with your health??? Donald sucks at hiring!

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
5. If nothing else, it shows that he is completely unprofessional.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 10:10 PM
Aug 2016

But even more, any 'normal' doctor would lose admitting privileges, at best, and possibly face disciplinary actions from the medical board.

izzybella

(236 posts)
8. She could but
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 10:20 PM
Aug 2016

Like anything that is said on tv or social media, it will take root, and grow out of control. It's disgusting.

calimary

(80,700 posts)
21. Welcome to DU, izzybella!
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:57 AM
Aug 2016

I wonder about that, myself. Could she sue? This could well be argued as slander - it's spoken. As opposed to libel which is written. (Simplified definitions.) But then again, she's a public figure and I don't know all the dynamics involved. I was about to say I thought maybe because she's a public figure she can't sue, but I remember when Carol Burnett sued the National Enquirer and won a ton. And Gawker just went under because they were sued over a Hulk Hogan video they ran with.

marybourg

(12,540 posts)
30. Even a public figure can win
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 10:36 AM
Aug 2016

such a suit if she can prove the defamation was made with malicious intent or reckless disregard for the truth. So - a higher bar than for a purely private person, but doable with an egregious incident. Of which we have many lately.

Laffy Kat

(16,356 posts)
9. The fines for a HIPAA violation are tremendous.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 10:25 PM
Aug 2016

There could also be prison. Let alone civil lawsuits It's extremely serious and physicians know it. As much as I'd love someone to go after this, I worry that it would bring unwarranted attention to matters of no importance as far as HRC's health goes.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
14. The standards for slander for a politican are much higher
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 11:12 PM
Aug 2016

And of course, who knows if its true. Assuming the exact phrase was her health history is 'not good'. That could easily be defended. She had a blood clot in 2012. That is 'not good'. I would expect a lot of people in their 60's could have a health problem a doctor could describe as 'not good'.

If my blood pressure is 121/80, my doctor could say that its 'not good'. Sure it should be 120/80, but the doctor is entitled to his opinion that its 'not good'. In short, a slander lawsuit wouldn't go anywhere.

HIPPA, that's another story.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
34. It would be better for
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:23 PM
Aug 2016

Hillary if her Dr. goes after him. Same outcome, but Hillary wouldn't be a target for the Alt.-Right and Trump.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. If he's a licensed physician, NY's licensing board is the one
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 05:27 PM
Aug 2016

to take this up.

I also absolutely noted immediately his claim of participating in violating patient privacy. This behavior is fully as bizarre as any of the rest. It's very much against the law, and no rational physician would admit it in front of cameras. His comment would also have to breach some standard even if the gossiping never happened, which is of course the case.

Signing a letter he did not write, which would be easily enough established to the standards of an inquiry into his conduct, is probably only one of the other serious ethical violations that an investigation would identify.

As for Hillary suing, if she sued people for libeling and slandering her in national news media she'd have spent the last 25 years doing nothing else. She's probably mostly forgotten about this weird little man.

Hope she's having a nice, relaxing day and has gotten in some grandma time.

brush

(53,475 posts)
10. And isn't it against their oath to disclose conficential information of a patient to someone else?
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 10:25 PM
Aug 2016

Did he just accuse Hillary's doctor of that?

He did but who beliefs that wierdo?

He's obviously lying about writing the Trump letter without instruction, so to think he knows about Hillary's health history is ludicrous.

marshall

(6,661 posts)
11. Doesn't that statement also indict her doctor?
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 10:26 PM
Aug 2016

Her doctor supposedly violated confidentiality by blabbing details to an acquaintance, who in turn is now repeating it, or so he says. But if he's guilty, then so is his source.

central scrutinizer

(11,617 posts)
15. Maybe not
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 11:16 PM
Aug 2016

I am much more familiar with FERPA, the educational version of HIPAA. I am able to talk about confidential issues regarding a student with another University faculty member because we are all under the same restrictions. We are absolutely forbidden to talk about a student with someone outside the University, including parents, unless the student has expressly waived confidentiality in writing. Our official line was, "I can neither confirm nor deny that the individual has any connection with the University."

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
26. HIPAA tightly restricts what colleagues can share.
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 09:06 AM
Aug 2016

You can only share "the minimum necessary" to accomplish treatment, payment, or operations. Which means that you absolutely cannot shoot your mouth off about your patient to someone else who's not involved with any of the above regarding that same patient.

So, yeah, if the doctor weren't spouting complete and utter horseshit (which he is), it would plainly be a HIPAA violation.

Maru Kitteh

(28,303 posts)
13. He should be whacked on the knuckles for it, but he can claim
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 10:27 PM
Aug 2016

he was referring only to her publicly known history.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
20. He is -- he also claimed he wrote the Trump letter "under stress." He appears to be insane
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:18 AM
Aug 2016

and I am being generous.

Beartracks

(12,761 posts)
22. I thought Trump was his own doctor.
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 01:02 AM
Aug 2016

"Trump's cardiovascular status is excellent. And he has the greatest lungs, let me tell you. The best. Believe me."



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Princess Turandot

(4,784 posts)
23. Technically speaking...
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 01:34 AM
Aug 2016

he actually didn't say that her doctor told him anything about her at all. He says that he knows him/her. If they both practice in NYC, that would not be very surprising. He could have easily met him/her at a medical conference etc.

"I know some of her health history which is really not so good": what he *knows* may well have been gleaned solely from news reporting. We all 'know' some of her health history from that source.

I think these are classic weasel words, intended to cause someone to draw a conclusion that the words alone do not necessarily support.

A real sleaze, he is.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
25. I cringed when I heard him say that.
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 08:42 AM
Aug 2016

He was unprofessional and improper. And in violation of HIPAA laws. And likely, a bigfatliar.

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
27. He has now given the wackos
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 10:08 AM
Aug 2016

a reason to continue to question Hillary's health.....their guys doctor knows Hillary's doctor and suggests her health history is not good...............

Tho I don't want to see more attention brought to this video clip I would hope that Hillary's physician is prepared to refute the quacks statement.

UCmeNdc

(9,589 posts)
28. Trump's doctor in incompetent.......
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 10:34 AM
Aug 2016

another looney and incompetent professional propping Trump's stack of cards up.

ArtD48

(150 posts)
29. Ignore what he said (Why? Read up on the Streisand Effect)
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 10:36 AM
Aug 2016

Prosecuting him for a HIPPA violation might be as counterproductive as Trump taking on the Khans.

Response to unitedwethrive (Original post)

Response to Unit 001 (Reply #37)

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
40. HIPAA is a joke. My mother works in healthcare and the biggest HIPAA violator is our own government.
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 08:46 PM
Aug 2016

The amount of breached data from state and federal-owned health institutions and programs is unreal. Report after report has shown the government does not follow the HIPAA security and privacy standards it imposes on everyone else.

Of course they never investigate or fine themselves for these breaches. They just spend all their time going after the private providers. Unreal.

With that off my chest, Trump's doc is a douche!

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
41. Not true, she's not his patient, so he has no legal duty to protect the PHI.
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 08:48 PM
Aug 2016

You can't be cited for breaching information you were never supposed to have.

What law are you citing again exactly? Because it isn't HIPAA.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
42. Where the fuck do they get people like this???
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 08:50 PM
Aug 2016

Trump's doctor seems to be a lying asshole, just like Trump.

lupinella

(365 posts)
43. Glad it wasn't just me!
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 10:00 PM
Aug 2016

The moment I saw this I was gobsmacked! Implying that her doctor told him about HRC's personal health information!!
I don't think it is a HIPAA violation because I don't believe for a moment that future President Clinton's doctor would do such a thing, since it seems like she is a professional with standards unlike Trump's rather... interesting gastroenterologist.

Future President Clinton... I need to start saying that more; sounds comforting amidst the nonsense.

Demsrule86

(68,355 posts)
45. If her doctor told Trump's doctor anything, he is in big trouble.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 12:25 AM
Aug 2016

But, I doubt he did...liar Trump has a liar doctor.

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