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2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat's Really Ailing Hillary Clinton
Hillary Rodham Clinton was once willing to share her deepest thoughts and feelings, as she did in a 1993 speech on the politics of meaning, delivered as her father lay dying, in which she said the country was suffering a sleeping sickness of the soul, and urged her fellow citizens to remold society by redefining what it means to be a human being in the 20th century.
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Her reward? She was roundly, relentlessly ridiculed, most infamously in a New York Times cover story, titled Saint Hillary, by the late Michael Kelly, in which she expounded at even greater length on her personal passions, unaware that Kelly would use them to mock her for high-minded earnestness. In those interviews, the public Hillary Clinton was altogether different than the one the public sees today: less guarded, more candid, far more eager to embrace the larger message shes so often criticized for lacking now. When Kelly suggested to her that she was trying to come up with a sort of unified-field theory of life, she responded in what he described as excited tones: "That's right, that's exactly right!"
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So Clinton would feel entitled to believe she is damned if she does, and damned if she doesnta sentiment she herself has expressed more than once. Twenty-three years ago, when The New York Times Kelly asked why she, as an unelected presidential spouse, should set herself the task of attempting to remake society, she jumped hard on the point, as he put it.
The question is irrelevant to me, Clinton said then. I know that no matter what I didif I did nothing, if I spent my entire day totally disengaged from what was going on around meId be criticized for that. I mean, its a no-win deal, no matter what I do, or try to do.
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Her reward? She was roundly, relentlessly ridiculed, most infamously in a New York Times cover story, titled Saint Hillary, by the late Michael Kelly, in which she expounded at even greater length on her personal passions, unaware that Kelly would use them to mock her for high-minded earnestness. In those interviews, the public Hillary Clinton was altogether different than the one the public sees today: less guarded, more candid, far more eager to embrace the larger message shes so often criticized for lacking now. When Kelly suggested to her that she was trying to come up with a sort of unified-field theory of life, she responded in what he described as excited tones: "That's right, that's exactly right!"
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So Clinton would feel entitled to believe she is damned if she does, and damned if she doesnta sentiment she herself has expressed more than once. Twenty-three years ago, when The New York Times Kelly asked why she, as an unelected presidential spouse, should set herself the task of attempting to remake society, she jumped hard on the point, as he put it.
The question is irrelevant to me, Clinton said then. I know that no matter what I didif I did nothing, if I spent my entire day totally disengaged from what was going on around meId be criticized for that. I mean, its a no-win deal, no matter what I do, or try to do.
So yes, for all of those who will yell, "Told you she'd be secretive" Yes, I know it's coming. I expect it, and I expect her to be continually excoriated for being as private as she is. I wish it could be different, just as I wish that Obama didn't have to be so damn careful of the label, "angry black man."
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-media-transparency-214250
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What's Really Ailing Hillary Clinton (Original Post)
ehrnst
Sep 2016
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niyad
(113,552 posts)1. the savage, hateful, misogynistic, lying attacks on her for decades are unlike anything we
have ever seen. and the fact that she remains as strong as she is, as dedicated, as caring, is amazing. it would certainly be understandable if she had just said, "to hell with it, I am tired of this", and just lived her life. but that is not HRC.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)2. The attacks on her are from the same bolt of cloth as the attacks on Obama
The "deplorable" leaders of the conservatives have only one game, they just alter the silhouette for the target du jour. They won't give up as long as anyone is willing to listen and donate in support of their hateful agenda. They do nothing but take advantage of people's fears and biases. They are more vocal now because their followers can feel the weight of progress and they want to lock in their position before it disappears.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)3. And there will be more her entire term. Who else would be able to take 1/10th of that? (nt)