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lastlib

(23,208 posts)
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 08:57 PM Sep 2016

Hillary dropped the truth bomb on Trump ahead of the debate tomorrow

From PoliticsUSA:

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/09/23/hillary-clinton-drops-debate-bomb-trump-releasing-19-pages-fact-checked-lies.html


The Hillary Clinton campaign held a special press call to call on the debate moderator, media, and voters to fact check Donald Trump. In order to help the press, debate moderators, and voters fact check Trump, the Clinton campaign has released 19 pages of Trump lies.

HFA Communications Director Jennifer Palmieri said, “Donald Trump has shown a clear pattern of repeating provably false lies hoping that nobody will correct him. As we head into this debate, we want voters and viewers to be on alert that they should keep track. Any candidate that tells this many lies, clearly can’t win the debate on the merits.”

In total there are 19 pages of fact checked Trump lies that can be read here.


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This oughta get under Little Donny's orange!
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Hillary dropped the truth bomb on Trump ahead of the debate tomorrow (Original Post) lastlib Sep 2016 OP
"drooped"? Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #1
It's just a typo. It should have read tRump drooped when Hillary dropped the truth n/t Yonnie3 Sep 2016 #2
Fixed. lastlib Sep 2016 #3
Be careful to not say that near Little Marco. keithbvadu2 Sep 2016 #11
Bigger fingers! 3catwoman3 Sep 2016 #14
"I assure you, there is no problem." (nt) klook Sep 2016 #19
Thanks. Proofreading is a habit I encourage :) Thanks for the OP. . . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #21
Well, if it's "drooped" Wednesdays Sep 2016 #29
Bill Maher said engaging Trump was like being in a debate with a basset hound. MADem Sep 2016 #20
Good job. Chemisse Sep 2016 #4
Head Of Presidential Debates Commission Repeats Trump's View That Moderators Should Not Fact-Check Kablooie Sep 2016 #5
Sheesh- a whole toilet - clog of equivocation there, isn't it? NBachers Sep 2016 #7
The problem is tRump's Gish Gallop, unprecedented at the Presidential level of debates. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #22
I'll bet he'll be continuously calling her points lies. Kablooie Sep 2016 #23
"If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance..." lastlib Sep 2016 #25
How original Roy Rolling Sep 2016 #6
To The Greatest---with Ther and With Hilary! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2016 #8
Beautiful! She will be able to fact check him easily during the debates. anamandujano Sep 2016 #9
KnR! Hekate Sep 2016 #10
If Trump planned to tell the truth, he would not be worried about fact checking. keithbvadu2 Sep 2016 #12
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooal! 3catwoman3 Sep 2016 #15
Now she can just refer to a page number from her document! So she doesn't get bogged down. bettyellen Sep 2016 #13
and with 100 million listeners ready to google ... fierywoman Sep 2016 #16
I think she must slip in a mention of the document and I love it bettyellen Sep 2016 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2016 #17
Hillary swings like a girl ... NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #24
I do love that lady!! lastlib Sep 2016 #26
The media is mostly ignoring it liberal N proud Sep 2016 #27
She ought to be able to get under Trump's skin bucolic_frolic Sep 2016 #28
somebody should quickly turn this into a Bingo card!!! electron_blue Sep 2016 #30
It won't matter NewJeffCT Sep 2016 #31
Liar BINGO Generic Other Sep 2016 #32
The lies are spawning new hashtags: #TrumpCheck #TrumpLies #TrumpSoftballs Coyotl Sep 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author klook Sep 2016 #34
Some of the #TrumpSoftballs tweets are pretty good klook Sep 2016 #35
HOLT: Mr. Trump, what's your favorite hobby? Coyotl Sep 2016 #36
Trump, nor his followers, care paparush Sep 2016 #37
Point of view differs phallon Sep 2016 #38
This is brilliant. She can use it as a frame of reference and help R B Garr Sep 2016 #39
great article trueblue2007 Sep 2016 #40
Ready. lonestarnot Sep 2016 #41

Wednesdays

(17,342 posts)
29. Well, if it's "drooped"
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 08:46 AM
Sep 2016

it's a much worse problem for tRump than we thought. And his size won't fix it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
20. Bill Maher said engaging Trump was like being in a debate with a basset hound.
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 11:52 PM
Sep 2016

They're kinda droopy.

So....there ya go.

Chemisse

(30,809 posts)
4. Good job.
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 09:34 PM
Sep 2016

He could win the debate with a string of lies. The truth would come later, as an afterthought.

This way it is forefront on everyone's minds.

Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
5. Head Of Presidential Debates Commission Repeats Trump's View That Moderators Should Not Fact-Check
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 09:35 PM
Sep 2016

BRIAN STELTER (HOST): What about the issue of fact-checking that's been talked about so much in the past few weeks? Does the commission want Lester Holt to fact-check?

JANET BROWN: The commission asks independent, smart journalists to be the moderators, and we let them decide how they're going to do this. But I have to say, in our history, the moderators have found it appropriate to let the candidates be the ones that talk about the accuracy or the fairness of what the other candidate or candidates might have said. I think, personally, if you start getting into fact-checking, I'm not sure, what is a big fact, what's a little fact, and if you and I have different sources of information, does your source about the unemployment rate agree with my source? I don't think it's a good idea to get the moderator into essentially serving as the Encyclopedia Britannica, and I think it's better for that person to facilitate and to depend on the candidates to basically correct each other as they see fit.


http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/09/25/head-presidential-debates-commission-repeats-trumps-view-moderators-should-not-fact-check-candidates/213304

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Seems to me that the whole point of the debate is to give voters real information instead of a glorified campaign ad.
If a candidate is lying that's essential information that voters need know.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
22. The problem is tRump's Gish Gallop, unprecedented at the Presidential level of debates.
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 12:10 AM
Sep 2016

He thinks he can fluster Hillary by a rapid fire stream of lies and gross exaggerations.

There will be no time for Hillary to fact-check more than a handful during the debate, and even then he might try to turn it into a spectacle by interrupting her correction with a couple more lies.

He's going to ignore some rules and depend on many voters not doing any followup, depend on them taking their impressions from the debate itself ("He's a strong man, he'll fix things&quot .

Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
23. I'll bet he'll be continuously calling her points lies.
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 12:53 AM
Sep 2016

If he constantly accuses her of lying on every point she'll have to play defense all during the debate.

It's going to be painful on many levels.
I don't expect a great triumph for Hillary because he's going to confuse the issues so much that no one will know what's real or not.

lastlib

(23,208 posts)
25. "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance..."
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 07:25 AM
Sep 2016

"baffle 'em with bullshit....." That's Little Donny.

Roy Rolling

(6,911 posts)
6. How original
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 09:35 PM
Sep 2016

There are so many factual corrections, it's like those fast-scrolling corrections on SNL's version of "Fox & Friends".

But seriously, this is the first time the Trump strategy of overwhelming people with too much bullshit to keep up with, has been met with so many corrections it is too much to read in one sitting. It's more corrections than what Trump can spew in one show.

Well played, Ms. Clinton, well played.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
8. To The Greatest---with Ther and With Hilary!
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 09:59 PM
Sep 2016

PERFECT answer to voter ignorance, apathy, and media's refusal to do their job.

Brilliant move

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
9. Beautiful! She will be able to fact check him easily during the debates.
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 09:59 PM
Sep 2016

It is concise and easy to understand. She will most likely make some TV ads to invalidate his lies also.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
13. Now she can just refer to a page number from her document! So she doesn't get bogged down.
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:24 PM
Sep 2016

"I pre-debunked that on page eighteen" LOL

Response to lastlib (Original post)

bucolic_frolic

(43,127 posts)
28. She ought to be able to get under Trump's skin
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 07:53 AM
Sep 2016

if she ties him to Putin a few times

Then he must defend himself by defending Putin

How popular will that be in America?

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
31. It won't matter
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 09:09 AM
Sep 2016

if nobody covers the information in the 19 page document, or if Lester Holt doesn't bother to read it.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
33. The lies are spawning new hashtags: #TrumpCheck #TrumpLies #TrumpSoftballs
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 10:02 AM
Sep 2016

Last edited Mon Sep 26, 2016, 01:00 PM - Edit history (1)

from my OP: #TrumpCheck #TrumpLies #TrumpSoftballs

John Nichols @NicholsUprising
When primary message of a candidate's surrogates on the day before a debate is that they oppose fact checking, that candidate is a hot mess.
5:13 PM - 25 Sep 2016

It has gotten so very sad for Donald on the fact front, he merits a new hashtag #TrumpCheck.

Susan ?@sueschro
A Week of Whoppers From Donald Trump - The New York Times #TrumpCheck #TrumpLies #unfit #NeverTrump #ImWithHer
http://nyti.ms/2cZAIPa

Meanwhile, what's trending? #TrumpSoftballs with 29.4K Tweets

Keith M. ?@ksecus 28 minutes ago
Who taught you how to Cheat innocent victims out of their hard earned cash? #TrumpSoftballs

Dr Kelly Sennholz ?@MtnMD 42 minutes ago
... Any thoughts on your surgeon general? #TrumpSoftballs


donna ?@brooks_brooks7 46 minutes ago
#TrumpSoftballs
The Lincoln Memorial was named after which president?

Aღanda ?@GrnEyedMandy 3 hours ago
Hillary has released 20 years of tax returns. What do you think she's hiding? #TrumpSoftballs

Ann ?@Zannell1 3 hours ago
#TrumpSoftballs Who do you hate more? Mexicans, Muslims, Blacks, Jewish people, Native Americans...etc. Please, pick just one

And, best for last:

LAC ?@HumanitarianGal 3 hours ago
#TrumpSoftballs
Which one would you prefer? Nuke or tweet?

Response to Coyotl (Reply #33)

klook

(12,154 posts)
35. Some of the #TrumpSoftballs tweets are pretty good
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 12:06 PM
Sep 2016

Tweet from "Nice Eric" (@ericsshadow) --

MODERATOR: how would you combat world hunger?

TRUMP: blow up the moon, let the cheese fall to earth

MODERATOR: hillary, same question

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
36. HOLT: Mr. Trump, what's your favorite hobby?
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 01:04 PM
Sep 2016
Sarah ?@Anygirl987 3 minutes ago
HOLT: Mr. Trump, what's your favorite hobby?
TRUMP: Lying.
HOLT: Great. Ms. Clinton, why should we trust you? Emails!
#TrumpSoftballs


I'm watching the live feed. They keep getting better, albeit the trend is moving on to #debates and #debatenight.


phallon

(260 posts)
38. Point of view differs
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 03:55 PM
Sep 2016

I cannot believe that in this whole wide country, not just the Deep South, racism has now just become a POV!

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