The media is shredding Pence's debate lies today.

[BobbyDrake]

This Wasn’t a Debate. This Was a National Gaslighting.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/10/mike_pence_won_because_he_was_shameless_about_denying_reality.html

Pence vs Kaine: The facts take a beating
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/pence-kaine-debate-facts-229163#ixzz4MDqxsY2Z

Mike Pence Recycles Anti-Hillary Clinton Abortion Lie for VP Debate
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/05/mike-pence-recycles-anti-hillary-clinton-abortion-lie-for-vp-debate.html

Mike Pence To America: Trump Never Said Those Things He Said
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57f3b692e4b0d0e1a9a9a98b

I want to take this moment to apologize (insincerely, of course) to the sadly obvious individuals who are trolling DU today trying to spin for Pence and Trump. Take your bullshit and run along now.

[Madam45for2923]

1. I guess for some "winning" a debate means stay calm while you lie lie & lie...

Man, that's easy! From now on I shall win all debates!

[Coyotl]

40. Pence got one thing right:

This is the "Mexican Thing" Kaine was whipping all night long, and Pence got in a really good whack,

"... and, you know, so his words don't always come out exactly the way he means them."

[William Seger]

61. That's how to pass a lie detector test, too (nt)

[Submariner]

2. Politico is a far right rag

Please do not cite them on DU. Their article is full of crap as usual.

[athena]

7. They claim Pence and Kaine both lied.

The usual "both sides do it" narrative of false equivalence, where an outright lie is no worse than a slight exaggeration.

[AlbertCat]

17. Please do not cite them on DU.

Please do...if they are saying something we might should know about.

Think of it as research.


It's not like reading Politico is gonna hurt you in any way.

[Hortensis]

22. Politico is a DC insider "rag" with a conservative

tilt. Yes, they want Republicans in office, but hardly far right. THOSE people are nuts.

[Blue Idaho]

3. But DU posters think he won?

Just look at all the threads calling for us to "face it" and "accept it."

I learned decades ago that the debates are not nearly as important was what gets said about them after they are over. Let's wait a few days and see if the "snap polls" and post debate chatter holds up. If the M$M fact checks Pence's performance - he'll get clobbered.

[Andy823]

6. Those aren't really Clinton supporters

I have seen several of this posts, and they are trolls either from JPR, or Trumps camp. Some have been here during the primaries trashing Hillary, and and now they are back trying to play their little games of dividing the board without getting banned. They are very obvious, even thought they think they are "brilliant".

[Blue Idaho]

8. No Kidding...

When you have half a dozen threads show up with exactly the same title - it's hardly a coincidence... it's also not four dimensional chess. It's a few "keyboard warriors" wasting their time...

[Demsrule86]

12. The same group that pounces on every bit of negative news

and tries to spread right-wing hate...I notice a few are no longer here...not as smart as they think they are.

[Leith]

30. Yeah, They Think They Are "Brilliant"

They are geniuses like Donnie is a "genius." Just as their orange leader knows more about ISIS than the generals, they "know how" to divide HRC supporters. The poor little dumplings.

[MADem]

48. It's always interesting when someone shows us their

assets...lol!!

[radius777]

62. those are alt-left types who don't like Dems/Obama/Hillary. /nt

[liberal N proud]

4. How many times did Pence repeat this: Trump Never Said Those Things He Said

[Blue Idaho]

9. Now roll the video...

Of Trump saying The things he said...

[madaboutharry]

5. On CNN: "It looks different this morning"

Pence sat and lied and lied and lied......

[Zoonart]

18. This just in...

...from the No Shit Sherlock department. The shoot from the hip MSM egged itself again. *sigh*

[bettyellen]

33. They blamed the public for accepting Donald's lies unchecked when they were supposed to check them-

Hillary knew they would not and they'd have to step in and be the fact checkers. Now they are going along with it- at least some are. Some were still pushing the style matters more thing last night- but at least one in the panel kept pushing that the facts matter.

[uponit7771]

10. Even Megan Kelly got into the fact checking last night, media doesn't like being lied to that

... much

[Lucinda]

11. KNR

[yardwork]

13. Christians aren't supposed to lie. /nt

[sheshe2]

14. Thank you Bobby!

[NastyRiffraff]

15. So, the media is finally waking up

and realizing that Pence spent last evening lying and denying.

As for DU's trolls, nice try, guys, but Democrats don't believe you.

[BobbyDrake]

27. It was the rick-rolling of the hotel commercial. Ever since then, they've abandoned

the majority of fawning coverage they were giving Trump and finally got serious.

Take the Trump foundation scandals and the shady internatuonal business dealings. It's not that the media didn't have those facts already. It's that they didn't want to use them, because if they did, the horse race would have to be shot dead and sold for glue.

[mnhtnbb]

16. Lie and deny is SOP for Republicans.

And they're very good at it.

I couldn't stand to watch the debate. My husband did, and came away impressed with Pence's "performance". We had a discussion about that--it was a performance--and
the necessity of separating truth from a smooth performance of lies and denials.

[Iliyah]

19. I am a Christian, but Pence and his religious fanatics cohorts

are not Christians. Mr. Kaine emulates his beliefs. That said, well done Senator!

[Fast Walker 52]

35. Pence claims to be a Christian, but how is defending Trump and lying constantly Christian?

It seems like Pence sold his soul to the devil.

[keithbvadu2]

59. Political Christians rather than Christians of faith

[blue cat]

20. This is why I was so freaking excited last night

And why I friggin love Kaine...he was an effective attack dog and threw in so many things that he got Pence to deny.

[ffr]

21. Just not real time, but this is going to do more damage to Donald's campaign

When their candidates pick, who is suppose to know things and be a great debater gets his ass handed to him.

The video shows what we saw too, lying Pence, not able to defend or play off his rehearsed script. The audience didn't see it and the instant polls didn't see it, BUT WE DID. Mike is blank faced liar.

[vkkv]

23. Admit it, Kaine's performance was disappointing. He had SO MANY opportunities to slam Pence on

1) the 'religious freedom' bill he signed as governor that takes AWAY PEOPLES' FREEDOM. How American is that?!
-not a word from Kaine on that.

2) That Trumpence was bringing back Reaganomics that TRIPLED THE DEBT.
-not a word from Kaine on that.

3) That much of the Obama debt was costs of War On Iraq and getting us out of the Bush recession.
-not a word from Kaine on that.

4) That repealing Roe vs Wade would result in countless injuries to young women either by illegal abortions or being the subject of abuse by family.
-not a word from Kaine on that.

5) Trump's womanizing. Five kids from three wives.. How Xtian is that Pence?
-not a word from Kaine on that.

6) Kaine barely got in that Trump stiffed his contractors and vendors on payments.

SO VERY DISAPPOINTED IN KAINE'S ANXIOUSNESS AND PERFORMANCE.

HILLARY MUST WIN OR THE ENTIRE WORLD IS SCREWED.

[Codeine]

28. Calm down. She's going to win.

So much drama over an election that's basically a given.

[vkkv]

31. The reality today is that Kaine did poorly on making the case against Trump. The reality today

is that we're 34 days away from election reality.

The silly drama is in the denial by some DU'ers that lies can unfortunately appear to "win" over many stupid Americans.

Yes, it looks like HRC is going to win.

[bettyellen]

38. All the media is saying the opposite. Fact checking matters now- and Kaine and HRC made it that way

[BlancheSplanchnik]

60. :)

[BobbyDrake]

36. The only performance I'll admit is disappointing is yours. nt

[vkkv]

44. That might make a lot of sense to Sarah Palin, but I dont get it. nt

[NCTraveler]

45. +1 nt.

[Fast Walker 52]

37. I disagree about the performance, but also, VP debates have no real effect on the election

Kaine did a nice job slamming Trump and showing Pence to be an amoral lying asshole.

[The_Casual_Observer]

43. Kaine chose 5 or so points to nail whitey

With and kept at it. He chose well and did well. Whitey was a smooth as a televangelist but screwed up badly.

[underpants]

46. Kaine did exactly what he planned. Set up Sunday for Hillary

by conducting a deposition if Pence.

[rickford66]

51. screen pass

[rbrnmw]

47. no it wasn't he did his job he made Pence lie

he also made him own Trump's awful behavior

[radius777]

65. Kaine's job was to attack Trump and make the case for Hillary,

and he did that wonderfully, even the MSM is saying that, only criticizing him on interrupting too much and coming across as too jumpy at times.

He maybe could've dialed it back a little, but I thought he was fiery and showed passion.

He did denounce tax cuts that mainy benefit the top (which is denouncing trickle down economics).

He defended the constitution, civil rights, women's rights, separation of church and state and roe vs wade.

He strongly defended Obama/Hillary while destroying Trump point by point, forcing Pence to defend it, who mostly lied and tried to recast the alt-right Trump as some mainstream conservative.

In my view Kaine articulated the Dem vision and contrast between the GOP and Trumpism in a way I haven't heard this election season.

You need to go and rewatch the debate, Kaine did everything he needed to do.

[elmac]

24. Pence is good at what he does

and what he does is lie whenever he opens his mouth. He is evil, wouldn't trust him to watch a dog let alone be VP. The guy is a sociopath, pathological liar & probably a psychopath. He is Ronald Reagan reborn.

[vkkv]

32. Pretty much.

[Fast Walker 52]

39. I agree, and he just gives me the creeps in general.

[Peacetrain]

25. I think the media is in shock at how much Pence lied

I think they had this scenario ready to go .. that Pence would be better at the top of the ticket etc etc.. and Pence just torpedoed his own future campaign ambitions.. I am floored.. happy .. but seriously floored

[Gothmog]

26. Pence lied about Trump and threw trump under the bus

Pence knows that 2016 is lost and Pence is running for the 2020 nomination

[vkkv]

34. I hope he does! White bread toast... nt

[Coyotl]

41. He will wait for 2024 and let some other sucker loss to Hillary.

[SHRED]

29. What is the TV media saying?

That's the biggie.

[calimary]

42. Mike Pence to America: Clinton Foundation only gives 10 percent of its funding to charity.

Let's look at the facts:

CharityWatch.org says Mike Pence was almost literally upside-down on this bogus claim:

https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478

Man - is this what we can take away about how Mike Pence might be at the top of the heap in four years? Well, do remember - four years is an awfully long time. What looks like it now could wind up being very different in four years. For one thing, Ted Cruz is not gonna take this lying down. Probably John Kasich too. But unlike Cruz and CERTAINLY unlike Pence (!!!!)

Kasich will have the added advantage of having gotten NONE of Trump on him this round. He still hasn't endorsed Trump or even indicated he'd vote for the guy. He's staying all the way out. Probably strategically more than anything else. Kasich still wants to be President. I'd say we still need to keep a close eye on this guy, and prepare. Yes for Cruz and Pence, too. But he'll have mighty baggage to bring in from his abysmal job as Indiana's governor.

DON'T forget THIS:

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/here-are-7-disturbing-things-you-should-know-about-mike-pence-before-tonights-debate/

I'd say we ought to copy this link and keep it!

It's a shame though. Predictably - Andrea Mitchell spent EIGHT WHOLE WORDS on that aspect:"he got failing grades from the fact-checkers." Well, he SHOULD HAVE! Mike Pence did nothing but LIE, FLAT-OUT, the whole time! That Clinton Foundation statement that only 10% of its fundraising goes to the charities and causes for which those funds are raised - FLAT. OUT. LIE. If he'd wanted to be completely "accurate" in his upside-down performance he would have said 12%. But it would STILL have been a flat-out lie.

"Senator you whipped out that Mexican thing again..."

OUCH! Hallie Jackson just ran a montage of Pence's Pinnochio moments (at 18 minutes after the hour). Think I'll start referring to Pence as Pinnochio Pence from now on. Have to use the last name to differentiate from Pinocchio Trump. They're well-matched, I guess.

[Ligyron]

52. Pence and the HIV thing was news to me

what a disgusting human being.

[lovemydog]

49. Take away the denials

& lies and all you get from Pence is 'spend more on military!'

We already outspend - what is it? - something like the next five countries combined.

[Bill USA]

50. thanks for the great post.

[calimary]

53. And don't forget how the Boston Globe called it:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/10/05/mike-pence-lies-don-make-him-winner/Tp9icZmzP4OA23NBIkswMO/story.html

[BobbyDrake]

55. Agree, that was a good column there.

I'm seeing a lot more editorials calling out the media for letting the race get this ridiculous lately too. It rekindles hope for the republic in my heart.

[czarjak]

54. They'll show you...

In their reality. Could be good.

[ffr]

56. "No Defense Pence" Gets CREAMED The Day After 'Winning' The Debate!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512471668
Napkinz

[calimary]

57. That's another good one!

Dang! This debate sure has spawned some catchy wordplay!

No Defense Pence"

"Pence on Fire"

"Pinocchio Pence"

All of which I think might make good hashtags, when you remove the spaces between the words (which I think I'm learning, as I involve myself more in "tweetsville&quot .

[BlancheSplanchnik]

58. I hope the mASS media recognizes smooth looking liars for what they are.

They're what a large demographic watches for what to think.
If the mASS media is satisfied with lies behind a superficial game face, then their superficial audience will be none the wiser.

I really liked the Slate article aLOT.
Haven't read the others yet.

[Cha]

63. Love it! Thank you, Bobby!

This is from the Salt Lake City Tribune.

[BobbyDrake]

64. Bwuahaha, that's a good one! Thanks, Cha!

[YOHABLO]

66. It had the lowest ratings for a VP debate since 2000.

And that was Dick Cheney and Joe Lieberman .. so since yuk and yuk debated.