2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNate Silver: The Second Debate Probably Didn’t Help Trump, And He Needed Help
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-second-debate-probably-didnt-help-trump-and-he-needed-help/At times during the past two weeks, but particularly on Saturday afternoon as prominent Republicans were denouncing or unendorsing Trump one after another, it has seemed like Trumps campaign is experiencing the political equivalent of a stock market crash. By that I mean: Theres some bad news that triggers the crash, and theres also an element of panic and herd behavior, and it becomes hard to tell exactly which is which. At some point, the market usually finds its footing, as the stock has some fundamental value higher than zero. But it can be a long way down before it does.
At roughly the 20-minute mark of the Sundays debate about the point at which Trump said hed appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton and that shed be in jail if someone like him had been president it seemed prudent to wonder whether Trumps campaign was over. I dont mean over in a literal sense (it would be almost impossible to replace Trump on the ballot). But over in the sense that we knew the outcome of the election for all intents and purposes, to a higher degree of confidence than FiveThirtyEights statistical models which gave Clinton only about an 80 percent chance of winning heading into the debate alone implied. (The polls and therefore the models have not yet had time to capture any effect from the Trump tape revelations.)
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In the end, your assessment of Trumps chances comes down to the same consideration as with a falling stock: How sound are the the fundamentals? Is Trump the equivalent of a beleaguered blue-chip that still has lots of hard assets? In Trumps case, the most valuable asset is probably possession of the Republican Party ballot line, which theoretically ought to be worth something given the circumstances of the race. Or was the whole business a sort of confidence trick, which was bound to implode once people began to lose faith in it?
Maeve
(42,287 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,032 posts)Republicans are so wedded to the idea of power that they embraced him after his deplorable base voted him in as candidate.
Stuart G
(38,439 posts)The second presidential debate on Sunday night was a strange one, with Donald Trump appearing to be on the brink of a meltdown in the first 20 to 30 minutes, then steadying himself the rest of the way. But heres the bottom line: Based on post-debate polls, Hillary Clinton probably ended the night in a better place than she started it....... And almost without question, she ended the weekend counting the debate, the revelation on Friday of a 2005 tape in which Trump was recorded appearing to condone unwanted sexual contact against women, and the Republican reaction to the tape in an improved position.
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I hope he is correct, and that Hillary's overall position has improved. There was something horrific about Trump stalking he at that debate, and his threatening her to send her "to jail"..It was not a "debate" but another one of Trump's TV shows..where he says, "Your fired"... I can only say I hate this asshole even more than I did before the debate
TheBlackAdder
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C_U_L8R
(45,018 posts)Republicans would be replacing him this morning as fast as they can.
I think Hillary's rope-a-dope (emphasis on dope) was genius.
I think we'll appreciate her strategic approach to things more and more
throughout her Presidency.