Trump can’t just be defeated. He must be humiliated.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Donald Trump is running against democracy itself.

Here, in the land of Barry Goldwater, democracy is fighting back.

Only once since 1948 has Arizona gone Democratic in a presidential election, and that was the Ross Perot-skewed 1996 contest. But Trump’s manifold charms — most recently his threat to ignore the results of the election — have given Hillary Clinton a five-point lead in this red state, according to a new Arizona Republic/Morrison/Cronkite News poll. Disgust with Trump sent thousands of white, black and brown Arizonans on Thursday afternoon into the Phoenix Convention Center (where Trump weeks ago pledged mass deportation of illegal immigrants) to hear Michelle Obama denounce Trump’s assault on the democratic process.

“We are fortunate to live in a country where the voters decide our elections,” the first lady said. “The voters decide who wins and loses. Period. End of story. And when a presidential candidate threatens to ignore our voices and reject the outcome of this election, he is threatening the very idea of America itself, and we cannot stand for that. We do not keep American democracy ‘in suspense.’?”

The crowd roared its approval.

Obama’s speech (she crossed the country to give the remarks, then immediately flew back to Washington) is part of a push by the Clinton campaign to expand the electoral battleground into reliably Republican states such as Texas, Georgia, Utah, Alaska and, particularly, Arizona, that have been put into play by Trump’s outrages. The Clinton campaign, which already has 32 offices and 160 staffers in Arizona, announced this week that it is spending an additional $2 million here and dispatched Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Chelsea Clinton and the first lady to campaign in the state. The campaign is considering sending the candidate herself.

As a matter of math, Arizona is irrelevant: If Clinton is doing well enough to win here, she will already have locked up the election elsewhere. But if Trump is to be denied in his bid to subvert democratic institutions by claiming a rigged election, he needs to be defeated resoundingly, removing all doubt. Clinton needs to run up the score.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-cant-just-be-defeated-he-must-be-humiliated/2016/10/21/d03ed0e0-9792-11e6-bb29-bf2701dbe0a3_story.html?utm_term=.efb432e4faa5&wpisrc=nl_rainbow&wpmm=1#comments

[Mister Ed]

1. This is vital.

Not because I bear any personal animosity toward Trump, or wish to see even a lowlife like him humiliated, but because we must restore the world's faith in us as a people. We have shaken their faith badly, and it will will take years, or even generations, to restore it.

Let that restoration begin. Let it be known to the world, and to all of us, that we are not a nation that will nurture hatred.

[forgotmylogin]

2. Nothing nasty nor extra needs to be done.

Just the votes are enough to humiliate him as he will be classified as "the loser" to an entire nation.

[LynnTTT]

3. In South Carolina

I've been making calls to Democratic voters. This is one state that will not flip to Clinton and therefore some people will say their "vote doesn't count". I tell people that in every election the popular vote is always important, since it shows the will of the people. But I go "off script" and tell them that in my personal opinion we need to get out the Democratic vote and pound Donald Trump into the sand. So the Republicans never mistake again of supporting a candidate with these extreme views.

[Salviati]

4. And for this reason, in addition to downticket races,

peoples votes are important even in the bluest of blue states. We need to run up the vote against him where we win, and cut the margins as close as we can where we can't. The republicans need to be put on notice that their 30+ year campaign of hate, bigotry and ignorance that gave rise to trump is not acceptable. It should not be enough for them to renounce trump as "not a true republican" because he is just mirroring their positions, with the gall to actually say them out loud. If they want to have a future as a viable political party, they need to denounce him, and the rhetoric they've used in the past that gave rise to his campaign.

[rbrnmw]

7. I remember those bleak calls in the Bush years in SC

it can get downright depressing and demoralizing but keep up the good fight and take care of yourself too.

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. Defeated is fine

[drmeow]

6. I hope we do go for Clinton

and that we get rid of Arpaio (and even McCain?) in the process!

[ismnotwasm]

9. Is this a serious post?

You are really claiming Trump is fighting corruption and Democrats aren't on a Democratic board?

[ismnotwasm]

11. SimpLy a Typo ---because I'm very interested in how you are posting here

On edit--here is some US history for you, not even a primer, just a bit of information

Boston State House, 1796
The State House in Boston was designed by Charles Bullfinch, who also designed the Capitol in Washington D.C.
The ELECTION OF 1796 was the first election in American history where political CANDIDATES at the local, state, and national level began to run for OFFICE as members of organized political parties that held strongly opposed political principles.

This was a stunning new phenomenon that shocked most of the older leaders of the Revolutionary Era. Even Madison, who was one of the earliest to see the value of political parties, believed that they would only serve as temporary coalitions for specific controversial elections. The older leaders failed to understand the dynamic new conditions that had been created by the importance of popular sovereignty — democracy — to the American Revolution. The people now understood themselves as a fundamental force in legitimating government authority. In the modern American political system, voters mainly express themselves through allegiances within a competitive party system. 1796 was the first election where this defining element of modern political life began to appear.

The two parties adopted names that reflected their most cherished values. The Federalists of 1796 attached themselves to the successful campaign in favor of the Constitution and were solid supporters of the federal administration. Although Washington denounced parties as a horrid threat to the republic, his vice president John Adams became the de facto presidential candidate of the Federalists. The party had its strongest support among those who favored Hamilton's policies. Merchants, creditors and urban artisans who built the growing commercial economy of the northeast provided its most dedicated supporters and strongest regional support.

http://www.ushistory.org/us/19c.asp

[ismnotwasm]

14. I fixed it. You can reread it.

So. Are you voting for Hillary then? And what is your name at JPR?

[whttevrr]

12. What?

Are you on the right board?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. Trump & GOP must be crushed to prevent Trump 2.0 in 2020 & to commit GOP to meaningful reform. nt

[JPbelgium]

16. To: whoever is preparing Hillary's Acceptance Speech

Somewhere somebody must be preparing Hillary's Acceptance Speech by now.
Maybe not the full speech, because that could bring bad luck, but at least some words or thoughts should be emerging.

But can I make a small request ?

Please, don't mention him (you know, the other guy...)

Don't mention him, not once.

Don't mention him, don't mention his wife, don't mention his kids, don't mention his driver or his gardener, don't mention his dog, don't mention his parrot...

Just nothing, zilch, nada, rien du tout...

Please?

[NastyRiffraff]

19. +1,000

I doubt if that will happen, but it would make me happy!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

21. Yes, it would hurt him the way he deserves to be hurt. But reach out to the GOP, not the Ts.

Reaching out to the GOP (in particular ways, not generally) is for public consumption and to provoke their schism that is coming.

Ts and Teas (much the same thing) will leave the Republican party and start their own. Without the Ts, the mainline Republicans can come to their senses and the old way of cooperation and comity and collegiality. Polarization can be reduced.

The United States of America will be much healthier for it.

[Hekate]

18. KnR

[IronLionZion]

20. Oh yeah, and let's help McCain retire and spend more time with his family

we need to win the Senate and we can do it if enough of our people are energized to vote for Democrats.

On a related note, there are lots of referendums and local initiatives that would benefit from a big blue wave as well. The moderate or sensible republicans are defeated and demoralized and many of them might just stay home to avoid standing in line with the disgusting Trumpers in the red precincts. We can win some state-wide races.

And we need to flex our demographic muscle to send a message to the GOP. There's a place for a conservative party but there is no place for white nationalism in our country. Trump is hung firmly around the neck of every Republican running everywhere.

Hillary was going to win the presidency due to demographic changes and the blue wall alone. Even a normal Republican would have a hard time beating her because there are more of us in more states. But the blue wave needs to extend her coat tails nation wide down to the local level.