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Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 03:15 PM Oct 2016

I'm a criminal defense attorney, let me tell you why Comey did this. (You'll feel better)

Last edited Sat Oct 29, 2016, 12:07 PM - Edit history (13)

***Update***

La Times has the best characterization of why Comey did what he did, and it is consistent with my original post below. There's nothing there, he's simply covering his butt.

The emails were not to or from Clinton, and contained information that appeared to be more of what agents had already uncovered, the official said, but in an abundance of caution, they felt they needed to further scrutinize them.

Because Comey had told Congress that the FBI had finished investigating Clinton’s server, he felt he needed to let lawmakers know that agents were looking into the case again in light of the recent discovery, the official said.


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-fbi-clinton-email-probe-20161028-story.html

The way the press initially handled this story is unforgivable.

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Original Post:

Comey knows that Hillary is going to win the election. He knows that Rs in the House will very likely rake him over the coals in endless Benghazi like hearings. Comey testified under oath to Congress that he would reopen--or at a minimum reconsider--the investigation should he get additional information. He also testified that if there is a referral from Congress regarding Clinton's untruthful disclosure to FBI that he could open an investigation vis her FBI interview.

Somebody in the know dropped some emails in the FBIs lap recently. (Was it merely a routine disclosure from the Weiner investigation? Maybe, but I'm not buying it. The timing of all this makes me believe that this was not just an innocent 11th hour discovery.)

This puts Comey in a box. He testified under oath that he would relook at things if more information comes to light--so basically he's in legal trouble (perjury allegation) if he doesn't. This is confirmed by Comey's own memo to FBI employees.

Comey said he felt “an obligation to do so given that I testified repeatedly in recent months that our investigation was completed.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-director-james-b-comey-under-fire-for-his-controversial-decision-on-the-clinton-email-inquiry/2016/10/28/fbad009c-9d57-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_comey-810pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Further, if he didn't send the letter he sent today, he would be accused of political collusion with the Clintons. He's covering his ass. Plain and simple. He has bristled at the allegation that he is acting in a partisan way, and this (nothing-burger) letter is his attempt to get back to some type of perceived neutrality in advance of his anticipated testimony to Congress. Imagine if he didn't send the letter. You can just see Gowdy screaming at him, "So you had these additional emails and you kept them a secret until AFTER the election!"

My legal advice to people here is to take a deep breath. This letter is classic CYA. It's designed to protect Comey, and that's it. If he had the goods on Clinton the shoe would have dropped today. Mark Cuban's explanation that Huma was simply printing emails for HRC bears this out. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512552937

PS, watch for any and all oppo that the Clintons have to be released today and tomorrow in advance of the Sunday shows. Anything they have on Trump will come out now. The best defense is a good offense. Let's all strap in and kick this orange bastard's corpulent ass.

Couple people have asked about what the oppo probably is. Here's my best speculative shot..

Absolutely no way someone as careless as Donald Trump has not been surreptitiously audio recorded. In the modern era, everybody has a smart phone. Odds are its an attractive contract vendor who was not required to sign a non-disclosure contract. You can guess what would be in the recording.

Is that legal, you ask? New York's wiretapping law is a "one-party consent" law. New York makes it a crime to record or eavesdrop on an in-person or telephone conversation unless one party to the conversation consents. N.Y. Penal Law §§ 250.00, 250.05. So, while I'm not licensed in New York, if the party recording was in the room, the answer is pretty much it looks to be legal.

The person with the recording has probably already consulted with an attorney, found out that it wasn't illegal to make the tape, and they are ready to drop it. Now's the time my friend. The address to the Washington Post is --- The Washington Post, 1301 K Street NW, Washington DC 20071

PPS: Still don't feel better? Take a look at the prediction markets hours after the story dropped. http://predictwise.com/

We're gonna be fine people. We are on the right side of history.

Quick CYA footnote: A person could read this and think that I'm apologizing for Comey. I'm not. What he has done is despicable and unforgivable. At the time I originally posted this all I knew was the letter Comey wrote and that's that. People were freaking out about the (now debunked) reporting that Comey had "reopened" the investigation. I originally wrote my post because I knew that Comey felt he had legal exposure due to his prior congressional testimony and this was not the opening act of a criminal charge contra Clinton. I thought this might make people feel better.

My speculation regarding oppo was noted as speculation. I'm a hard core partisan Democrat. I can have hopes too, no?
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I'm a criminal defense attorney, let me tell you why Comey did this. (You'll feel better) (Original Post) Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 OP
Thanks. I DO feel better. That makes a whole lot of sense! nt ncgrits Oct 2016 #1
Thank you for that! Farmgirl1961 Oct 2016 #2
thank you! tenaciousdem Oct 2016 #4
I can't wait to see what they have to unload! Farmgirl1961 Oct 2016 #5
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2016 #7
And the NYT says they were discovered during the Weiner investigation reasonabletexan Oct 2016 #8
Welcome to DU!! Here is a strange question that I bet you never expected anyone to ask you StevieM Oct 2016 #36
Is this like a challenge question to determine if I am a bot? :) I cant stand Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #51
Psst: this was not a response to you. nt Raine1967 Oct 2016 #53
I'm an idiot. Got all happy because I thought I was being welcomed Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #85
Fahrenthold451, I SWEAR I was going to put up a post below welcoming you as well. StevieM Oct 2016 #67
Totally funny. Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #80
Not that I'm the one you asked, but say it I must: SusanCalvin Oct 2016 #55
I like the DH because it keeps a major difference between the two leagues. StevieM Oct 2016 #68
It is a difference, true. Which causes me to ignore the AL.... nt SusanCalvin Oct 2016 #79
Yeah that is my take also but I think Comey should make a clarifying statement. yellowcanine Oct 2016 #9
He probably won't clarify--He will want to keep his options open. Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #14
Chaffetz didn't immediately politicize it, he pre-release politicized it. They got the letters okaawhatever Oct 2016 #70
I understand why he did it…and I DON'T feel better. regnaD kciN Oct 2016 #10
The news cycle dictates that this will be a story for at best 48 hours. There's no there there. Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #15
This will be the main topic on the Sunday crap shows. old guy Oct 2016 #54
That's basically what Steney Hoyer said lillypaddle Oct 2016 #11
Could be a Repub FBI investigator dropped in his lap, so Comey had to send letter wishstar Oct 2016 #12
Thank you! This explanation makes things a lot more clear. Sorceress Oct 2016 #13
K&R!!! Mme. Defarge Oct 2016 #16
Thank you for your cogent explanation. Lifelong Protester Oct 2016 #18
Sounds right. Thanks. And welcome to DU. Lochloosa Oct 2016 #19
Newsweek agrees with you DeminPennswoods Oct 2016 #20
He could have classified it mercuryblues Oct 2016 #21
He totally could have, but he operates in a political theater as well. Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #22
Personally, I think his behavior is reckless and unforgivable. yardwork Oct 2016 #25
Agree but he obviously doesn't SharonClark Oct 2016 #86
You are aware that the FBI is supposed to be apolitical, right? Raine1967 Oct 2016 #74
I agree with you 100% about Comey. I also think the Clinton campaign knew it was coming. Avalux Oct 2016 #23
Absolutely they knew, and they have been keeping their powder dry. Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #24
Hacking emails is also against the law, but it is the entire basis of Trump's campaign along with world wide wally Oct 2016 #26
Thanks! nt jonno99 Oct 2016 #28
Very good points...but this a Political campaign... Cattledog Oct 2016 #29
Which is why the oppo must drop now Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #32
A cogent analysis. Thank you. Whenever I see the word, "corpulent" I am reminded of Shirer's WheelWalker Oct 2016 #30
I am reminded of Trump of the tee box of his golf course with his stupid white pants hiked into his Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #84
1946? czarjak Oct 2016 #94
If Comey is trying to save his ass, why is the negative blowback is only affecting Hillary? procon Oct 2016 #31
Because now all the Rs like Comey more and they won't hit him as hard Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #33
But only until the next thing they don't like. n/t moonscape Oct 2016 #103
Thanks. You're explanation makes a lot of sense. :) Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2016 #34
Sounds good to me ArnoldLayne Oct 2016 #35
I don't feel better... workinclasszero Oct 2016 #37
Obviously the worry would be that the emails the FBI now have are damaging to HRC Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #39
More good points. ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #111
Gracias. I was just trying to make a joke Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #119
I don't feel that much better, either. calimary Oct 2016 #91
Right the republicans don't give a damn about facts workinclasszero Oct 2016 #92
Let's rename him... 3catwoman3 Oct 2016 #105
KnR Hekate Oct 2016 #38
How are you so sure there is damning oppo? musicblind Oct 2016 #40
Here's the deal -- I've represented a lot of people and I would say the majority Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #43
Her team are seasoned pros.I'm not, but even I would know to keep something good in reserve for just tblue37 Oct 2016 #60
I would agree with your assessment. DCBob Oct 2016 #41
Agreed. But a fake scandal is much easier to deal with than real Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #44
Bullshitt Cosmocat Oct 2016 #42
I'm not defending him for doing it. Just thinking about the why Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #45
Totally agree! workinclasszero Oct 2016 #47
Thanks. FailureToCommunicate Oct 2016 #46
Going to share this on my Facebook page. EOM tiredtoo Oct 2016 #49
Thanks! Dave in VA Oct 2016 #50
Comey is making a last-ditch attempt to save his ass and his job Maru Kitteh Oct 2016 #52
His scolding of Clinton back in July (I found no crime, BUT...) MADem Oct 2016 #56
I'm with you Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #59
i felt better after i heard it was anthony weiner, who okieinpain Oct 2016 #58
I mean seriously, Huma, you're gorgeous. What were you doing with Weiner anyway? Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #61
yep. if you think about it she had to know okieinpain Oct 2016 #64
Comey's "I don't know what I know, and I don't know when I'll know it" disclaimer was feeble Miles Archer Oct 2016 #62
It's safe to say that Comey's actions are extremely unusual and clearly partisan. Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #63
Hunh. What's your take on the Hatch act? Somebody in another thread on this topic mentioned it. ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #113
Too late for it to matter. 14 million people have already voted ffr Oct 2016 #65
Thank you, Fahrenthhold451 Cha Oct 2016 #66
Right back at Cha Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #72
lesson that obama failed to learn, stop appointing rethugs. hopefully, luvmybluestate Oct 2016 #69
Seriously. I mean seriously. Just stop. Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #71
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #122
Bye. Hortensis Oct 2016 #123
Thanks! That helps me feel a little better jimlup Oct 2016 #73
K&R smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #75
The media is in a frenzy, they smell blood BlueStateLib Oct 2016 #76
They don't smell blood, they want blood. C_U_L8R Oct 2016 #78
It really was amazing to see the press fall all over themselves Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #83
This post needs to be DU front page (n/t) Puzzler Oct 2016 #77
I just had a thought ... if 'findings' were dumped on Comey by a Rethug operative in the FBI brett_jv Oct 2016 #81
Agreed except Comey's vagueness is close to prosecutorial misconduct a few days before an election. Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #82
thank you! k&r DesertRat Oct 2016 #87
Yours are all plausible assertions Gman Oct 2016 #88
Washington Post reports Comey as all but announcing he was just covering own ass. Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #89
He must know there's nobody that would pull him out Gman Oct 2016 #90
Thanks for the reassurance! AgadorSparticus Oct 2016 #93
please clarify NJCher Oct 2016 #95
I posted this right as the story dropped and it was unclear where the emails were coming from-- Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #98
Who are you???!!! Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2016 #96
I'm new. Im a hard hard core political junkie. My habit would be expensive if politics were drugs. Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #99
I heard that. Welcome and thanks for the expertise (and great screen name!) nolabear Oct 2016 #128
I don't buy that for a second. Lord Magus Oct 2016 #97
I think that if Comey wanted to collude with the Rs he just Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #100
If he did that he would've not only had his recommendation rejected... Lord Magus Oct 2016 #102
but can Comey be liable under the Hatch act? is my question. ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #114
You're right. But Damn, I hate Chaffetz Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #118
That's 100% understandable ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #139
Somebody just filed an ethics complaint against Chaffetz, so be consoled :-) ColemanMaskell Nov 2016 #140
Charging the receiver of classified information and not the sender would be unjust BlueStateLib Oct 2016 #117
HRC got nothing to do with this. She didn't send. She didn't receive Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #120
Thanks for the well thought out and clearly worded post. ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #101
Thank you so much! Du'ers are the best. I love how you took it step by step. I feel better too. n/t Upthevibe Oct 2016 #107
Thats why donco Oct 2016 #106
Now calls for his resignation are growing louder. Kablooie Oct 2016 #108
He knew that if he didn't send the letter then he could Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #116
Lots of low percentage guesswork Awsi Dooger Oct 2016 #109
I agree my post is guesswork Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #115
Thank you AGAIN! ncgrits Oct 2016 #124
Appreciate your reply. Thank you. Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #130
K&R!!!!!! burrowowl Oct 2016 #110
Welcome to DU and many thanks for this info! Lucinda Oct 2016 #112
Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #121
It all proceeded from... JackHughes Oct 2016 #125
Thank you for this, it is starting to make sense onecent Oct 2016 #126
Really weird, nightmarish and unfair way. But making sense. Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #127
In any case, Comey was being reckless RolfHarris39 Oct 2016 #129
I believe that Comey felt he was in legal danger Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #131
Welcome to DU, Rolf Harris. Interesting choice of user name. DesertRat Oct 2016 #134
Rolf Harris is a sex abuser tenderfoot Oct 2016 #135
Yes, I know. DesertRat Oct 2016 #136
My guess is Weiner cut a deal. djg21 Oct 2016 #132
I'm not sure about Weiner cutting a deal Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #133
You're assuming Comey is being entirely truthful. djg21 Oct 2016 #137
He brought this on himself... Wounded Bear Oct 2016 #138
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Farmgirl1961

(1,493 posts)
2. Thank you for that!
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 03:19 PM
Oct 2016

And can you give any hints about stuff they might have on Trump????? c'mon, we've all been through hell today and need a little good cheer!

tenaciousdem

(104 posts)
4. thank you!
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 03:19 PM
Oct 2016

I'm feeling better already and the clarity on this deeply, troubling, matter, is greatly appreciated....

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
36. Welcome to DU!! Here is a strange question that I bet you never expected anyone to ask you
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 04:34 PM
Oct 2016

upon your arrival.

How do you feel about the Astros switching to the AL? Personally, I hate the thought of teams switching leagues, and I still don't like the Brewers in the NL either.

Then again, I still haven't warmed to inter-league play.

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
51. Is this like a challenge question to determine if I am a bot? :) I cant stand
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:24 PM
Oct 2016

the politics of Houston and I try not to fly through it if possible. It's humid and filled with fracking Republicans. I also can't stand Nolan Ryan's politics (although he wasn't for Cruz, which is something.) As such, I have nothing positive to say about the Astros. But, seeing that the Red Sox are 24W to 12L against them, I'm generally supportive of the move. \

Thanks for welcoming me!

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
67. Fahrenthold451, I SWEAR I was going to put up a post below welcoming you as well.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 06:08 PM
Oct 2016

I got sidetracked with other things, but I was going to come back to this thread specifically to welcome you to DU.

That post you replied to was to another poster, who also just joined DU. I asked him about the Astros because his avatar image was of the Astros.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
55. Not that I'm the one you asked, but say it I must:
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:29 PM
Oct 2016

I HATE AL BASEBALL!

If there's a designated hitter, it's not real baseball. According to me.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
68. I like the DH because it keeps a major difference between the two leagues.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 06:10 PM
Oct 2016

I miss the days when their was no inter-league play, when the AL and NL had different strike zones and even had their own sets of umpires.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
9. Yeah that is my take also but I think Comey should make a clarifying statement.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 03:23 PM
Oct 2016

Particularly given that Chaffetz chose to immediately politicize it by saying that the investigation was "reopened."

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
70. Chaffetz didn't immediately politicize it, he pre-release politicized it. They got the letters
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 06:13 PM
Oct 2016

letters yesterday from Comey. I'm betting they've been working with right wing media to define the narrative. (Including of course the re-opening bit).

Yeah, they've had a day on this one. Interesting if anyone asks them why they didn't release the info yesterday.

lillypaddle

(9,580 posts)
11. That's basically what Steney Hoyer said
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 03:24 PM
Oct 2016

on MSNBC earlier. He said that with Trump's continued harping on "rigged election/system," he had no choice but to let it be known he was looking into the matter. I'm sure Steny was spinning it, but it is believable. And no way the investigation will be finished in time for the election. Most people don't give a shit and are sick and tired of the email BS.

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
12. Could be a Repub FBI investigator dropped in his lap, so Comey had to send letter
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 03:27 PM
Oct 2016

Sounds like a dirty trick behind the scenes where someone is trying to screw around for political reasons.

The previous State Dept/FBI phony non-pay to play attempted "scandal" that was publicized a couple of weeks ago also turned about to be much ado about nothing that the media jumped on too fast and misinterpreted and then dropped when there was no "there" there.

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
21. He could have classified it
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 03:56 PM
Oct 2016

to keep the stupid fuckers from mis-representing what happened. He knew they would jump on this like flies on shit and lie about it.

yardwork

(61,598 posts)
25. Personally, I think his behavior is reckless and unforgivable.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 04:11 PM
Oct 2016

I understand the cya aspect of the letter, but this was done in a way designed to maximize drama and give media lots of room for speculation and innuendo.

The head of the FBI should have better judgment.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
23. I agree with you 100% about Comey. I also think the Clinton campaign knew it was coming.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 04:08 PM
Oct 2016

So yes, I expect them to move on this. Buckle up!

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
26. Hacking emails is also against the law, but it is the entire basis of Trump's campaign along with
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 04:13 PM
Oct 2016

the GOP's.
We definitely do need to "drain the swamp" in Washington and it starts with the House of Representatives and the Senate.

Cattledog

(5,914 posts)
29. Very good points...but this a Political campaign...
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 04:24 PM
Oct 2016

rationality goes to the wayside esp. amongst uninformed voters.

WheelWalker

(8,955 posts)
30. A cogent analysis. Thank you. Whenever I see the word, "corpulent" I am reminded of Shirer's
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 04:26 PM
Oct 2016

description of Hermann Goering.

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
84. I am reminded of Trump of the tee box of his golf course with his stupid white pants hiked into his
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 08:14 PM
Oct 2016
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procon

(15,805 posts)
31. If Comey is trying to save his ass, why is the negative blowback is only affecting Hillary?
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 04:26 PM
Oct 2016

Trump is dancing a jig and chortling about how he was right, and Comey gets a pass. There was no hard information revealed, only a hint of an implied scandal in the works. If Comey was compelled to notify congress then he should have waited until he had actual details to determine what was important rather than setting off a 5 alarm fire over wild speculation.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
37. I don't feel better...
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 04:37 PM
Oct 2016

So Comey covered his ass by hanging Hillary's out to dry in the wind.

Don't tell me he didn't know that this would create a political firestorm that will burn all weekend. He dumped it late friday...that was also on purpose.

If he is an innocent party in all this i expect him to hold an immediate press conference to refute the claims by Trump and the news media that the email investigation has been reopened.

If he lets the fire burn all weekend I say he did it in collusion with republicans in DC and the Trump campaign!

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
39. Obviously the worry would be that the emails the FBI now have are damaging to HRC
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 04:41 PM
Oct 2016

But to me I don't believe that they are. If the emails were actionable 1) he would know it and wouldn't have to be so amiguous about it and 2) he wouldn't have dropped the letter this way. He would have had a news conference on a Monday and spelled out why he is officially "reopening" the investigation. He didn't do that today. I personally think that the Friday drop is evidence of that there's no there there.

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
111. More good points.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 03:36 AM
Oct 2016

(and welcome to DU)
p.s. I joined not long ago and nobody has asked me any are-you-a-bot-or-are-you-not questions.

Plus -- if you know of a software program that could write a post like yours, I would REALLY like to see the code for it -- professional interest, as a software developer myself. (spoiler alert: Can't be done.)

Welcome. Sincerely.

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
119. Gracias. I was just trying to make a joke
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 06:47 AM
Oct 2016

What a ridiculous day yesterday was. Hopefully the press will wake up refreshed and sane.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
91. I don't feel that much better, either.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 10:47 PM
Oct 2016

I think the Anthony Weiner angle just turned the whole thing cheap and tawdry, and let the air out of the balloon. Which WOULD be reassuring unless you consider how vicious and relentless the Hillary haters are. And they are legion. We who admire and support her do outnumber them. But they unfortunately remain a force to be reckoned with. Guaranteed they'll try to make the most of this, even if it turns into yet another nothingburger. When have ANY of them ever retracted some shitty thing they'd said about either of the Clintons, much less any libel or slander with which they've tried to smear Hillary?

Nothing's turned up. Nothing's EVER turned up. And yet that putz Chaffetz has already made it known how many inquisitions he's going to mount against a President Hillary Clinton. Even when there's no there there, that doesn't stop them from trying to pretend there is - and then try to act on it.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
92. Right the republicans don't give a damn about facts
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 11:06 PM
Oct 2016

that go against their narrative.

This political hit job by Comey just gave the deplorables fresh ammo and they will be screaming out the lies till election day and beyond!

Comey did a great job for Trump, no doubt about it!

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
40. How are you so sure there is damning oppo?
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 04:44 PM
Oct 2016

I'm hoping there is. But I don't want "hope" I want concrete. :/

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
43. Here's the deal -- I've represented a lot of people and I would say the majority
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 04:55 PM
Oct 2016

Of CEO types have been recorded. It's way more common than you think. I would just be shocked if there weren't tapes out there.

If I'm wrong about the tapes I can tell you this. HRC has millions to spend on oppo. THERES NO WAY THEY FOUND NOTHING. No way.

tblue37

(65,336 posts)
60. Her team are seasoned pros.I'm not, but even I would know to keep something good in reserve for just
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:36 PM
Oct 2016

such an "October Surprise." And if no surprise occurs, the reserved oppo can be dropped midway to late in the week before the election.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
41. I would agree with your assessment.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 04:52 PM
Oct 2016

Last edited Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:35 PM - Edit history (1)

Comey is certainly feeling the heat and he doesnt like it. This situation has given him a chance to gain his creds back with RW cons.

However this will have some negative impact on the Clinton campaign. Its never good to be on explaining side of a perceived scandal... fake or not.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
42. Bullshitt
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 04:55 PM
Oct 2016

He wrote they were pertinent to the server investigation w no other clarificarion, written purposely to be both ambiguous AND allow Republicans to run around w theur hair on fire.

They are not "pertinent" the server investigation, that just is a complete misrepresentation to allow the assumption that this is about hillary.


 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
47. Totally agree!
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:01 PM
Oct 2016

The language he used in the letter was designed to do maximum damage to Hillary.

No doubt about it!

Dave in VA

(2,037 posts)
50. Thanks!
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:20 PM
Oct 2016

Thanks for the well reasoned post. I hope that you are correct about the Clinton/Kaine campaign op-po and I agree, let it drop NOW!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
56. His scolding of Clinton back in July (I found no crime, BUT...)
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:30 PM
Oct 2016

was OTT wrong.

This letter (re: an investigation that no one was aware of, and that will not be resolved before the election) is just bullshit. If he hadn't "opined" in the first place he wouldn't feel a need to cover his sorry ass.

Obama should ask for his resignation after the election--or he should OFFER it.

If he wants to get involved in politics, he should run for office like every other asshole.

okieinpain

(9,397 posts)
58. i felt better after i heard it was anthony weiner, who
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:33 PM
Oct 2016

isn't going to be in huma's corner when dealing with that fool. if there was any person in the world that you wanted to be involved in something like this is someone like mr. weiner. lol. i can enjoy the weekend now.

okieinpain

(9,397 posts)
64. yep. if you think about it she had to know
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:53 PM
Oct 2016

she's worked on that laptop. if it was terrible stuff she would have deleted it a long time ago.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
62. Comey's "I don't know what I know, and I don't know when I'll know it" disclaimer was feeble
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:50 PM
Oct 2016

I see this development through a short lens. I agree with Paul Krugman:

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/792056422708178944

Paul Krugman Verified account
?@paulkrugman

Comey needs to provide full info immediately. Otherwise he has clearly made a partisan intervention, betraying his office.

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
63. It's safe to say that Comey's actions are extremely unusual and clearly partisan.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:53 PM
Oct 2016

Prosecutors, especially the Feds, have a unique duty to be above politics and it would appear and Comey couldn't be more transparently political.

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
113. Hunh. What's your take on the Hatch act? Somebody in another thread on this topic mentioned it.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 04:03 AM
Oct 2016

Is it applicable? I googled it but the stuff I found seemed kind of convoluted and unclear. Just wondered what you think there.

Also people on DU keep screaming for Comey to be fired. Is that a reasonable reaction?

The whole thing didn't worry me greatly because if publicans can't come up with anything better than this then they're goners (happy to say) and that's encouraging. Plus this has produced the unintended side effect of energizing Dems big time (also called bigly, which is apparently not word coinage but a slurring of Big League). On balance more plus than minus, seemingly at first glance.

But I very much liked your post, because it clarified the situation. I had been thinking that Comey just didn't seem very bright.

So, Hatch Act? Firing? Thanks for your insights.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
65. Too late for it to matter. 14 million people have already voted
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 06:07 PM
Oct 2016

Those ballots cannot be changed now. Not even if Comey sends a letter every day from here out about FBI investigations to investigate all the prior investigations.

COMEY JUST COMES ACROSS AS DESPERATE.

Response to Fahrenthold451 (Reply #71)

C_U_L8R

(44,999 posts)
78. They don't smell blood, they want blood.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 07:13 PM
Oct 2016

The hidden agendas aren't so hidden but they are disheartening.
I expect better from the press.

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
83. It really was amazing to see the press fall all over themselves
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 07:59 PM
Oct 2016

Reminded me of the scene in "The Right Stuff" when Jeff Goldbloom runs down the hallway to breathlessly announce that the Russians launched Sputnik. It's like they are all cramped up in their little jack in the box just waiting to pop out and announce some Breitbart talking point.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
81. I just had a thought ... if 'findings' were dumped on Comey by a Rethug operative in the FBI
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 07:34 PM
Oct 2016

KNOWING that he was legally obliged to report to Congress in this manner due to statements he'd made under oath ... then you know what I think?

I think whoever dropped the docs (and whoever is 'behind' that person) was ACTUALLY hoping the Comey was going to sit on these emails ... rather than make this report to Congress.

And the plan THEN ... was for Faux or some GOP Congresscritter to 'expose' that these emails were 'hidden from Congress' by Comey ... on like Nov 7th ... creating mass confusion about WTH was going on/whether or not he was really impartial when investigating the first time, etc. OR wait until she wins, then this becomes starting point to impeach or at least harass her with investigations for YEARS more. AND the GOP would've had Comey by the short & curlies to come up with something more damaging to Hill.

Him keeping it to himself would've meant a WAY better outcome for the GOP is the truth. This thing is going to fizzle big-time and change exactly nobody's mind.

As much as it sucks and is irritating in this moment, I think Comey did the right thing here, and the alternative would've sucked a LOT worse.

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
82. Agreed except Comey's vagueness is close to prosecutorial misconduct a few days before an election.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 07:48 PM
Oct 2016

His hands were tied, I get that. But, either there's a there there or not. Don't be coy.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
88. Yours are all plausible assertions
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 09:44 PM
Oct 2016

Comey didn't tweet he was reopening the case. In fact his letter says nothing of the kind. I noticed that right off too.
But CYA? Maybe. But I also consider that Comey was Ken Starr's lead investigator for Whitewater and may well still have a vendetta. He did not have to do this now. He'd be an idiot (which he's not) to not foresee this reaction in such a volatile atmosphere. When it's just a matter of days now, seems he could have waited.
Unless, he knew someone was about to tip off the lunatic fringe GOP.
He didn't expressly say he wasn't reopening the investigation. And he coukd have stated such and still CYA.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
90. He must know there's nobody that would pull him out
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 10:17 PM
Oct 2016

if he were under the bus. That's probably true.

NJCher

(35,658 posts)
95. please clarify
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 11:57 PM
Oct 2016
Somebody in the know dropped some emails in the FBIs lap recently. (Part of the Weiner investigation maybe, I'm not buying it)

So you're saying Comey is lying about the emails coming through the Weiner investigation? I don't understand why Comey would make something up like this. If he did and he was caught while he's testifying in front of Gowdy, Chaffetz, et al, he would lose credibility--and over what?

If you say he's lying about how he came across the emails, there has to be a substantial enough reason to take that risk.



Cher

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
98. I posted this right as the story dropped and it was unclear where the emails were coming from--
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 12:16 AM
Oct 2016

That being said, this is a hit job through and through. Chaffetz absolutely set Comey up to feel compelled to advise Congress if any additional information (emails) came to light. There are a lot of conservative agents who were not happy with Comeys decision. My take is that there was knowledge about these emails prior to Comey testifying. Comey's underlings came to him yesterday and told him, "Hey, whadya know, we got a whole bunch of emails here that bear State Dept. provenance." Comey doesn't even look at them. He's stuck. Don't disclose to congress, and Chaffetz will own him when the emails are leaked. Comey isn't lying about anything. His conservative agents, along with the Repubs, set this one up nicely.

Yes, it's possible that these emails just popped up out of the Weiner investigation. It's possible. But this is smells like a Nixonian rat fuck to me.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
97. I don't buy that for a second.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 12:14 AM
Oct 2016

And for his political collusion with the GOP, Comey needs to be indicted under the Hatch Act.

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
100. I think that if Comey wanted to collude with the Rs he just
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 12:30 AM
Oct 2016

Last edited Sat Oct 29, 2016, 06:48 AM - Edit history (2)

Would have recomended that Lynch file charges. That would have been tough for HRC to recover from. No need to do all this manuvering. That being said, my take is that he violated the Hatch act. Federal employees are still forbidden to use their authority to affect the results of an election.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
102. If he did that he would've not only had his recommendation rejected...
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 01:10 AM
Oct 2016

...he could very well have been facing felony charges for abuse of power.

BTW Chaffetz can't be touched under the Hatch Act because it doesn't apply to Congress (or to POTUS/VPOTUS either), only to executive branch employees.

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
114. but can Comey be liable under the Hatch act? is my question.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 04:13 AM
Oct 2016

The reference I found only said the Hatch act
"... prohibits employees in the executive branch of the federal government, except the president, vice-president, and certain designated high-level officials of that branch, from engaging ..."

also it's been amended a bunch of times, most recently as 2012. But since the House is the legislative branch, not the executive branch, that guy is probably okay, unless there's something in one of the amendments or something -- but it seems unlikely; elected reps are always trying to affect elections.

The FBI guy Comey must be executive branch though, so I'd think Hatch would apply to him probably, unless he's one of those "designated high-level officials" that are exempt. Then again, even if it applies, who decides whether to prosecute? I'm curious whether Hatch applies to Comey. Also curious whether the Prez can just fire him as some have suggested.

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
139. That's 100% understandable
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 07:11 AM
Oct 2016

also I just read an article in Raw Story where somebody is all worked up about the Fourth Amendment. Says Comey's violating the Fourth Amendment, which seems pretty obviously true once it's pointed out, but his main gripe is that the FBI violates the 4th regularly when dealing with emails, telephones and the like.

and despicable as Chaffetz is, he's got competition for your animosity if you want to distribute it fairly. That oddly Aryan-looking House Benghazi Committee Chairman Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina springs to mind, rather like something scary suddenly jumping out at you from the shadows as you walk through a light fog down a dimly lit Victorian cobblestone laneway late at night, or as you hurry timidly along a narrow path through deep forest in the twilight just after sunset. And Speaking of that old Goering photo you've got, there is a stunningly Deja Vu photo of old Trey at this link:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article105738886.html

. . . but there are so many. Ted Cruz. Paul Ryan. Newt. Hollywood could easily produce a major monster movie with a cast completely composed of American Republican politicians, and that cast wouldn't even need acting lessons; all they'd have to do, as the Beatles sang about their movie, "is act naturally". Sarah Palin. So many choices.

Don't let them get to you. My advice, when you feel that "hate" start to tap on your shoulder, just go to an amusement park or watch a funny comedy movie. If you're stuck in an embassy with nothing but a laptop, you can watch videos of late-night comedy satire on You Tube and look up The Borowitz Report, Chris Lamb, and similar satire news. That can also work for a quick break if you're trapped at a desk in an office. Snopes.com is surprisingly funny because they debunk bizarre stories that you'd never think of, and the stories being debunked are hilarious -- Hillary has been replaced by a clone? Really? Whose idea is that? Anyway the point is, laugh it off, shake it off, don't let them lure you towards "the dark side". Oh, yeah, Sci Fi movies can be pretty funny too if you like that kind of thing, but even if they don't seem funny they do get your mind off the antics of the Repugnant Cons, or as I just saw them called hilariously, Banana Republicans (Based on the conjecture that agents within the FBI might be colluding with certain politicians to stage a coup, Third World style).

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
140. Somebody just filed an ethics complaint against Chaffetz, so be consoled :-)
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:06 AM
Nov 2016
Ethics Complaint Filed Against Rep. Jason Chaffetz for Releasing Comey Clinton Email Letter
By Jason Easley on Mon, Oct 31st, 2016 at 12:49 pm
An ethics complaint has been filed against Representative Jason Chaffetz for releasing information provided to him in a letter from FBI Director James Comey.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/31/ethics-complaint-filed-rep-jason-chaffez-releasing-comey-clinton-email-letter.html

BlueStateLib

(937 posts)
117. Charging the receiver of classified information and not the sender would be unjust
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 06:32 AM
Oct 2016

They would have to indict half of the state department's diplomatic staff

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
120. HRC got nothing to do with this. She didn't send. She didn't receive
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 06:50 AM
Oct 2016

My hope is that as this breaks the press will realize what a complete crock this whole thing is and the story will morph completely into what a douche Comey is.

Kablooie

(18,628 posts)
108. Now calls for his resignation are growing louder.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 02:00 AM
Oct 2016

So he decided Republican attacks in the future would be much worse a national shit storm screaming for his resignation right now.

We'll see.

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
116. He knew that if he didn't send the letter then he could
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 06:22 AM
Oct 2016

Be accused of perjury. And when people face legal exposure they cover ass first and worry about the shit storm later. Somebody dropped his in his lap Thursday and the race was on.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
109. Lots of low percentage guesswork
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 02:48 AM
Oct 2016

First of all, your doubt of the Weiner connection was inept. Top reporters are scrambling for their best sources when a story of this magnitude breaks. Once they hit on something those reporters aren't going to release something as specific as a link to one well known person unless the sources are terrific and insistent.

I basically downplayed the remainder of your post after reading that flub. Perhaps that wasn't fair to you but I have little respect for such a basic failure to understand raw probability. Granted, I was playing golf when the Weiner connection was made but if I had inherited it in real time I would have grasped the likelihood of truth, and it would have been well north of 90%.

Additional Trump material is also low percentage, and especially something as specific as an audio tape. Maybe I should say meaningful Trump material. In this case meaningful would be enough to bump this email inflation to second tier or co-first tier. If anyone has been holding an audio tape or similar for max impact they are guilty of pathetic handicapping. It is now favored to be drowned. Favoritism is that they have overestimated the value to begin with. That is the norm. It's mine therefore it overwhelms. I believe there will be attempts. I believe they will be trivial.

Comey's own wandering words in the internal memo were most telling of all, IMO. That was not strategic certainty, to cover his ass or any other purpose. He had little idea what to do and basically described that in weak apologetic style.

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
115. I agree my post is guesswork
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 06:18 AM
Oct 2016

The minute I read Comeys letter I wrote my post. As an attorney I know a CYA letter when I see one. I knew the obligations and exposure that Comey had due to his testimony and I knew the pressure he was under if the emails leaked before he sent the letter. This is born out in the Politico post.



Comey, in all likelihood, had an obligation to notify Congress of the FBI’s most recent move on the Clinton emails, after he testified over the summer that the investigation was essentially finished.
When a witness tells Congress something under oath that turns out to be untrue, or the facts and circumstances around the testimony change after the fact, he or she is supposed to notify lawmakers right away to correct the record.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/fbi-reopens-clinton-email-server-investigation-230454#ixzz4OT2HLQ1n
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook


Now, I apologize for not fleshing out what Inmeant by the "I'm not buying it line". Was this just a coincidence? Do I believe that nobody in the FBI knew about these emails? No. I'm not buying that. My take is that someone has been sitting on this for a while and it was disclosed now to inflict maximum pain on Clinton. I don't believe in coincidences when it comes to this stuff.

As for my speculation re oppo. It's speculation, of course. That being said, watch what happens today. I hope I'm right. If HRC has nothing left on Trump then her team has committed political malpractice. With all of her money, time, connections and fertile subject matter I believe it far more likely than not that he drop will happen about 10am EST today. But it's a hope.

ncgrits

(916 posts)
124. Thank you AGAIN!
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 08:46 AM
Oct 2016

I came back to your post this morning to check in for updates or clarifications. And I so appreciate not only your perspective, but your demeanor and tone! Thanks for sharing your p.o.v. in such a measured manner. You, sir or madam, are just the gentle-person DU needs to get us through the latest cluster cuss.

Welcome!

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
130. Appreciate your reply. Thank you.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 11:56 AM
Oct 2016

And I'm a guy, although there's something cool about being so anonymous that you have to be addressed with gender neutrality. Appreciate it.

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JackHughes

(166 posts)
125. It all proceeded from...
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 10:57 AM
Oct 2016

This latest email kerfuffle proceeded from Bill Clinton's entirely innocent, but ill-advised, airport meeting with Loretta Lynch -- which forced her to abdicate all responsibility for the investigation to Comey, who then made assurances to congressional Republicans.

The Clinton campaign should get Huma on TV fast. She's a cipher to most Americans and she needs to be humanized. She would be a sympathetic figure for most American women.

 

RolfHarris39

(4 posts)
129. In any case, Comey was being reckless
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 11:53 AM
Oct 2016

Why would he drop something like this just 11 days before the election? Doesn't he realize just how high the stakes are? I'll never forgive him if this is enough to help Donald win.

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
131. I believe that Comey felt he was in legal danger
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 12:03 PM
Oct 2016

He testified to congress he would keep them updated and there for sure were some conservative leaning senior agents who were going to leak these emails shortly. I can tell you that when people feel like they have legal exposure sometimes they get tunnel vision. At a minimum, intense self-interest kicks in. The FBI aggressively prosecutes people who make false statements to their agency. He knew he could be accused of making a false statement to Congress. So he wrote the most open ended BS letter he could to resolve his exposure, knowing full well it would be misinterpreted and knowing he would roil the world. But he covered his ass...

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
132. My guess is Weiner cut a deal.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 12:15 PM
Oct 2016
Somebody in the know dropped some emails in the FBIs lap recently. (Was it merely a routine disclosure from the Weiner investigation? Maybe, but I'm not buying it. The timing of all this makes me believe that this was not just an innocent 11th hour discovery.)


My sense is similar. I think Anthony Weiner cut a deal of some sort and is trying to avoid being prosecuted.

Fahrenthold451

(436 posts)
133. I'm not sure about Weiner cutting a deal
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 12:31 PM
Oct 2016

While the prospect makes my hind quarters clench, I don't think so. If Weiner was cooperating, then Comey would not be able to say he doesn't even know what he has. The way Comey left it was--"Well, we got a bunch of emails, haven't even looked at them yet, and that's it. We will keep you posted". So I'm not concerned.

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
137. You're assuming Comey is being entirely truthful.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 04:12 PM
Oct 2016

One alternative is that Comey already knows there's nothing in the emails and he has another agenda. Perhaps he thinks he is protecting the Bureau from he inevitable congressional investigations that will start day one of Hillary's first term. Perhaps he's just looking for job security: if he is fired by Loretta Lynch or Clinton, he can sceam retaliation and the optics for the new administration will be ugly. Comey is not stupid, and my suspicion is that he has gamed this out.

Weiner is a self-interested creep. Don't put anything past him. He would throw his own mother under a bus if he thought it would further his interests or political ambitions. If he did offer up the laptop, there presumably wouldn't be a need for a warrant, unless perhaps Huma's emails were encrypted or somehow secured and he did not have access (I haven't looked at this issue so don't know for certain).




Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
138. He brought this on himself...
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 04:22 PM
Oct 2016

starting in July with his stupid editorializing when he announced he wasn't bringing charges. He should have just said the old boilerplate line:

"We have concluded that there is insufficient evidence to reocmmend charges be filed."


Period.

End of message.

End of press conference.

If he had done that it would have at least discouraged the Repubs in Congress from bringing him in under oath and force that "promise" out of him. He screwed up then, and then he released all of the investigation notes (something else that is uncommon), and now yes, he's in CYA mode, because he fucked up from the get-go on this one.
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