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If those Florida GOP numbers are true... (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 OP
Could be some of it. TheLibIn615 Nov 2016 #1
Cubans are justifiably proud of Marco Rubio. Trump absolutely clowned him. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #3
That's what the pollster said. Those republicans that vote for Hillary still go and vote for LisaL Nov 2016 #7
Or it could be college educated women bailing on Trump Gothmog Nov 2016 #2
MSNBC saying overall Latino vote is surging in Florida. Avalux Nov 2016 #4
pretty sure marco did that all by his widdle self. niyad Nov 2016 #5
That's something we can agree on. He's an empty vessel, only interested in self advancement. OnDoutside Nov 2016 #31
It's Republican women Johnny2X2X Nov 2016 #6
If that 28% holds through Nov. 8, FL and the entire election will be called before CA polls close. LonePirate Nov 2016 #8
By rights it should be a 50-state blowout. duffyduff Nov 2016 #12
Man I hope Hillary wins in a landslide workinclasszero Nov 2016 #26
Drumpf is DONE! workinclasszero Nov 2016 #9
It could be the racism, it could be Rubio, it could be about Putin. duffyduff Nov 2016 #10
Though I'd like to win the Senate race, interesting that they have it Rubio 49-43 MadBadger Nov 2016 #11
Republican crossover voters peggysue2 Nov 2016 #14
They cross over for Hillary but not down ticket. LisaL Nov 2016 #16
Yeah, that poll did show Rubio up 6%, so I think they're probably right. Zynx Nov 2016 #15
That's what he said. Cross over only for Hillary not down ticket. LisaL Nov 2016 #17
Steve Schale (Obama's FL field director in 2012) says "not based in reality" geek tragedy Nov 2016 #18
I was freaked out by NC at first but I have since calmed. As for Florida, I think you have to StevieM Nov 2016 #20
No kidding Awsi Dooger Nov 2016 #21
I think they just got a weird sample. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #23
Did the oversample S. Florida Republicans then? R.'s in North Florida tend to be JCMach1 Nov 2016 #19
Polling shows a big chunk of Republican women voting Hillary. Coattails should be interesting. Coyotl Nov 2016 #22
Ooophs, wrong tab. Coyotl Nov 2016 #24
Moody's Analytics Awsi Dooger Nov 2016 #25
could be...he treated Rubio as he always treats people who are not as white as he is. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #28
Hope so. pat_k Nov 2016 #29
Might be people like my Republican friend... SouthernProgressive Nov 2016 #30
I DVR'd the O'Donnell show. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #32
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TheLibIn615

(61 posts)
1. Could be some of it.
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:19 PM
Nov 2016

Hope that's not the full story, because otherwise this poll has me salivating about that Senate seat. If it's a vendetta on behalf of Rubio, then never mind.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
7. That's what the pollster said. Those republicans that vote for Hillary still go and vote for
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:27 PM
Nov 2016

republicans down ticket.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
6. It's Republican women
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:26 PM
Nov 2016

There are millions of Republican women who will vote Hillary.

This is an exit poll basically.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
8. If that 28% holds through Nov. 8, FL and the entire election will be called before CA polls close.
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:28 PM
Nov 2016

That level of R support, if common throughout other states, will flip GA, IN, MS, SC and TX in addition to locking down FL, NC and OH very early. KY, LA and MO could also flip with those numbers. We can only hope they throw some votes to down ballot Dems.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
12. By rights it should be a 50-state blowout.
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:30 PM
Nov 2016

It probably won't be, but it sure as hell won't be close, despite the media trying to make it so.

Trump is unfit and unqualified for the job.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
26. Man I hope Hillary wins in a landslide
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 11:49 PM
Nov 2016

Then we can watch the damn news networks try to weasel their way out of the "horse race" they created!

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
10. It could be the racism, it could be Rubio, it could be about Putin.
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:29 PM
Nov 2016

The three Rs: racism, Rubio, and Russians.

Whatever it is, I'll take it.

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
11. Though I'd like to win the Senate race, interesting that they have it Rubio 49-43
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:29 PM
Nov 2016

So not Pro Dem across the board

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
14. Republican crossover voters
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:36 PM
Nov 2016

Aka the 'Never Trump' Republicans are splitting their ticket according to the TargetSmart survey/prediction. Voting Hillary Clinton at the top and Rubio for Senate.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. Steve Schale (Obama's FL field director in 2012) says "not based in reality"
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:40 PM
Nov 2016

Trump isn't ahead by 7 in NC, and Clinton isn't ahead by 8 in FL.

Nate Cohn of NY Times upshot also severely skeptical

Sample size for Rs who early voted is only 120 or so.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
20. I was freaked out by NC at first but I have since calmed. As for Florida, I think you have to
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:47 PM
Nov 2016

remember how hated Trump is by Latinos.

That said, I agree that she won't win by 8, at least not since Comey and Chaffetz set out to rig the election. Before they did that I thought she might win by 10 points and 375 electoral votes.

Now that won't happen. And we won't take the House back either, thanks to their misconduct.

Ironically, we know have our first actual abuse of power in this whole story about Hillary Clinton's email server.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
21. No kidding
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:47 PM
Nov 2016

Not even close to reality.

I'm glad you posted a related reply first because I didn't want to look like a bad guy by going first. It's sad that so many threads are touting a finding that doesn't threaten logic.

Republicans have been moving toward Trump, not away from him.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. I think they just got a weird sample.
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:57 PM
Nov 2016

Irresponsible of MSNBC to post a poll with sample size 311 as game changer.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
25. Moody's Analytics
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 11:46 PM
Nov 2016

I'm watching a tape of Lawrence O'Donnell's show right now.

You guys brutally buried the lead. The Moody's Analytics segment was light years more relevant than one floppy Florida poll.

He incorporated and described all the long term big picture fundamental variables that I've described here and elsewhere for more than 15 years. That's what decides elections, not day to day hysteria.

I particularly appreciated that his model includes number of terms served by the holding party, and also gas prices. Those are two critical factors that are seldom mentioned. In 2012 I remember sweating gas prices throughout the summer and fall. Fortunately they dove just in time, dropping a half dollar or more. Ohio benefited immensely.

This year it's been relaxing with gas prices remaining low, by standards of this era, for the past year or more.

Tremendous job by Lawrence O'Donnell to understand the value of something like Moody's Analytics. That's what sets him so far above Rachel Maddow, for example. She would never feature something like that, not when it could sap time from her 20 minute opening babble.

Demsrule86

(68,578 posts)
28. could be...he treated Rubio as he always treats people who are not as white as he is.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 06:11 AM
Nov 2016

And he has said awful things about all Brown people.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
29. Hope so.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 06:15 AM
Nov 2016

And I hope the Clinton campaign will finally listen to Alcee Hastings and pull together an emergency GOTV effort.

 

SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
30. Might be people like my Republican friend...
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 06:19 AM
Nov 2016

Who doesn't appreciate men viewing his daughter as an object for sex. Or that he believes Russia is expanding its empire and doesn't like Trump cozying up to them. Or is it his out of control economic planZ The list goes on for reasons Republicans should despise this man.

Demsrule86

(68,578 posts)
32. I DVR'd the O'Donnell show.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 09:23 AM
Nov 2016

This was a poll taken of voters who have already voted...already voted. And Hillary Clinton was getting 28% of GOP votes. The pollster could not break it down in terms of ethnicity but says it could be true because the the Hispanic voter is up.

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