2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumJohn Kerry--This is a BIG Mistake
Moving John Kerry to the Cabinet is a huge mistake politically. We are putting his Senate seat at risk, as Scott Brown will be the clear favorite to replace him in a special election. And unlike before, there won't be much time before the 2014 election to find a strong Democratic candidate and raise money to oust him. We MUST keep the Senate solidly in Democratic control.
Secondly, I don't feel that Kerry is the right person for the job. While his heart is in the right place, he is a bit stiff and doesn't always strike a good chord with people. He has been a fantastic senator and he needs to stay in the Senate.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)She would be hard to beat.
I agree with your assessment, though re: risking the seat in the first place.
GeorgiaDemGuy
(43 posts)For those that live in Kansas and Arizona, you now have two crazy Governors.
We can't afford to pillage our Governorships and U.S.Senate seats to fill cabinet posts (even one as important as SOS).
Cha
(297,275 posts)Term Limits.
Yes, Janet Napolitano left for HS and AZ got Jan Brewer and all the draconion AZ Legislators like Russel Pearce, who got Recalled. It seems like Arizona's stringent RED governance is getting Backlashed..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/arizona-election-2012_n_2039265.html
Oh, and Scott Brown..
"The National Rifle Association has given Brown an 'A' rating."
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2012/07/6292816/bloomberg-backs-scott-brown-nras-candidate-against-elizabeth-warren
Ooops.. Seems Bloomberg wants gun control but not at the Expense Of Wall Street Regulations.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I do not understand why Obama chose Democrats like them, and now Kerry when it opens the door to RW Republicans.
I used to live in Kansas, and Sebelius was a great governor. Because I was active in Democratic Party politics there I got to meet her several times. Had she remained in Kansas, term-limited as she was, she might have had the clout to bring along some viable Democrat to run for Governor after her, to run for the Senate, to run for the House. Instead, the party there is incredibly weak, and it's nearly impossible for any Democrat to raise the necessary money and run a winnable campaign, even for the state house or senate. So sad.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)But am conflicted about it. If the party has someone who can get in there, win the special election and turn around and win another one in 14' then I don't have as much of a problem. There are no guarantees though.
Having some fresh faces in the Senate is always good. Plus both my Senators move up in seniority. Wyden has finally cracked the top 20 I think. The bad news is MA lost lots of seniority with the death of Kennedy a few years back and now again with Kerry leaving. Warren would find herself as the senior senator from MA already.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)intereim senator. Why not appoint somebody who will actually run in the special election and give them a head start as a Senator and standing up for the people of MA? and creating a positive record?
brooklynite
(94,585 posts)We came out of the Election with MORE Senate seats than last time. If Scott Brown gets elected 1) we still hold the majority (if we get filibuster reform passed) and 2) we don't have 60 seats (if we don't). Not a lot of difference.
Bucky
(54,014 posts)Foiled again!
Chan790
(20,176 posts)in the second most liberal state in the country.
I'm so tired of saying this that it's not funny...Scott Brown has 0% chance of winning a special election and returning to the Senate. Zero. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. No fucking way. McCain and Graham were grasping at straws but all they got was a hand full of nothing. The only reason he won the first time was because Coakley folded so badly that for all intents and purposes, he ran unopposed as a moderate Republican.
Cane4Dems
(305 posts)After all that he's done for this party he def is the most qualified and he deserves to get the seat.....losing one senate seat isnt going to matter much since its not like we can pass anything anyways with Republicans standing in unison in gridlock
Franker65
(299 posts)The man has ambition. And he has the knowledge and skill to do an excellent job. I'd support him 100%.
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)It is unfortunate about his senate seat, but I can't think of anyone who would do a better job than Kerry. What you can stiff, I call dignified.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)If we can't defend a senate seat in blue ass Mass, we don't deserve it. Period.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)Kerry's strength is that he already HAS demonstrated that he can develop the relationships with people in other countries. The alternative, Rice was criticized for being abrasive and turning off many in the diplomatic community.
The fact is that Kerry, with little media or party support until he won Iowa, easily won the Democratic nomination for President over a few media favorites. In fact, his win was among the most definitive in open races that I have seen. He won every contest except SC, OK, and VT (voting for their favorite son after he was already out) and NC (voting after Kerry was the de facto nominee to push Edwards for VP). Clearly, he stuck a good chord with a substantial number of people. In fact, that was the MAIN reason he won Iowa and then NH.
... No kidding!
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)John Kerry will do a magnificant job.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)And why is Scott Brown a shoo-in for the seat? He lost his last election. Run a good candidate and he losses again.
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)then they ought to go out of business.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)when Romney was governor - over his veto. They can do it again for Kerry with Patrick as governor.
I think Kerry would be a fine choice. And, just because he comes across as a bit stiff when speaking on TV doesn't mean he's that way when meeting face-to-face. (Actually, wasn't an initial analysis of Hillary as senator similar - she was a bit stiff on TV, but great one-on-one and in small rooms?)
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)I swear, the election result taught people nothing about overestimating Republican chances. Scott Brown got lucky when he won in 2010, this time he's not an unknown with no record and has shown himself to be not as non-partisan as he claimed to be.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)I have noticed that this President has become so used to rabid opposition that he reveals his plans incrementally and only when they are fully formed and largely irreversible.
So working back from that point, how would you nail down the nomination and fix it so you don't take a hit for it in Congress?
First, you would nominate someone highly qualified and in a position to overcome a filibuster. That would be John Kerry, whose interpersonal relationships on Capitol Hill, particularly in the Senate, are quite good. He could still go in as a recess appointment in mid-January even if the GOP in the Senate blocks him, so getting him in is the easy part.
Losing one Senator would be a reverse, it is true, but we did so well in the Senate this time around that we actually picked up seats when only a year ago I was pretty sure we were going to lose control of the Senate, too.
We are almost certain to pick up a few more next time--but we are within half a dozen seats of a filibuster-proof supermajority and for the last two years of President Obama's term, that is going to be more important than having his second pick at SoS.
So we have one seat to burn if we need to burn it, though we certainly don't want to do that.
The next obvious thing to do would be to pick a Mass. politician who can fill Kerry's shoes, someone with wide experience, particularly in Congress, high visibility, and strong oratorical skills, since the person is going to have to campaign like hell out of the gate. A sitting Member of the House might be a good choice, because you can pick a prominent Representative from a comparatively safe district and run that person without a high risk of losing both seats.
So, I conclude, the next move is going to be to go after Ed Markey and beg him to consider changing wings of the Capitol. I believe Markey has refused to do this in the past, or been overlooked for other reasons. But on the surface Markey seems to me to be the best and most obvious choice.
Markey necessarily would offer coattails to his chosen successor, too, because Markey's base of operations in any statewide campaign would certainly be in his old district, where he can easily campaign with his replacement.
At the very worst, this move temporarily loses one Senate seat and one House seat, with a strong chance to get both back in two years. At best, you rotate one of the Democratic Party's best war-horses into a rewarding position that he deserves, and potentially create two more in his place in Congress.
You can't take my word for it, but you can expect the President to do something better thought out and along similar lines.
HeavyMeta
(21 posts)JK is a consummate professional statesman. He will excel at SOS and Mass will have no problem beating little Scotty AGAIN.
babylonsister
(171,066 posts)Why will Brown be the clear favorite?
What negative chords has Kerry struck, and with whom? He's smart, has lots of diplomatic experience, and is not a hawk.
And if Sen. Kerry wants it and it's been offered, I think he's earned it and deserves it.
politicasista
(14,128 posts)Jennicut
(25,415 posts)He knows the issues, he is good at quiet diplomacy. Biden and he both would have been excellent Sec of States but Biden is now VP.
And Mass has plenty of good Dems. Scott Brown can be beat with the right person.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)I can't believe that Democrats have no one to go up against a weak candidate like Scott Brown. He just freakin' lost! We have proven that we can defeat big monied interests, so that's not the problem. Contrary to what the Corporate Media says--on the left and right--Scott Brown is not an attractive candidate. At best, he lies well, but I think Liz Warren exposed him for the liar and charlatan he is this year. If she can beat him, not having any political experience at all, he can be beaten again. The man is not God. He is not invincible. I'm just saying: I don't get why Democrats are so afraid of Scott Brown.
Let's please stop being afraid of Republicans. Like someone said: if we can't win in MA, then we don't deserve to win, period!
Gargoyle22
(69 posts)If Kerry goes to SOS Brown will be US Senator for a long time.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)with two years on the job?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)duh
ProSense
(116,464 posts)are you thinking that he should be feared forever because he won once?
It appears President Obama isn't the one afraid of Republicans. His critics appear to be terrified.
politicasista
(14,128 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Let's stop being cowards!
treestar
(82,383 posts)Why would the same voters who sent Kerry to the Senate and Elizabeth Warren now send Brown back again? He had his chance.
Thrill
(19,178 posts)He's been a good public servant. Lets him do what he wants to do. He wanted to be nominated the first time
GodlessBiker
(6,314 posts)for the good of the Party.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Now, President Obama can pass the torch back to the Kennedy's with this genius move to name Kerry SOS and open the seat for Vicky to return the Kennedy name to the Senate
We clearly will benefit if/when Ms. Kennedy takes the office,after being elected a few months from now, after an interim candidate is appointed (perhaps Mike Dukakis?) and then the
Dream Lives ON.
And its not too early to hope Senator Kennedy leads the Democratic party for decades and someday becomes Vice President to Hillary in 2016 and President in 2024.
The decade of the woman will continue.
And Vicky is already 100% behind seeing to it that guns are eliminated from society so who better to be the best Senator the Democrats will have than Vicky Kennedy.
To think that soon Mass. will have in power such great people as Vicky Kennedy, Deval Patrick, and Eliz. Warren, with Vicky leading the way.
THE DREAM TRULY LIVES ON AND ON AND ON!!!
Thank you President Obama for this genius move! I appreciate your fab 9 step ahead thinking chess match that politics is. (so great that I didn't even get it til yesterday).
THE DREAM TRULY LIVES ON!
blm
(113,063 posts)for dealing with the most volatile regions. The other nations have praised him as one of the best diplomats the US has ever tapped.
You shouldn't tell people what should be done when you really don't know enough to offer an opinion, let alone a declaration.
EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)Hillary has. He is the consumate politician. He'll be great at the photo ops,
and will make the perfect diplomatic speeches as required. The world is so
complicated and requires a SOS that will immerse themselves selflessly in
the position giving up the creature comforts that Kerry is use too.
We were fortunately to have Hillary the last four years. I hope she hasn't
sacrificed her health for the work she has done the last four years.
blm
(113,063 posts)make such an absurd and demonstrably false statement. Kerry was DOING a lot of the heavy lifting FOR Obama and the State Dept in the most volatile regions and doing it quietly.
You just proved you paid as much attention the last 4 years as the OP did.
CNN:
<<He is no stranger to diplomacy and has often traveled overseas on behalf of the Obama administration as a diplomatic troubleshooter and to mend frayed relationships. Kerry persuaded Afghan President Hamid Karzai to agree to an election runoff in 2009 and has traveled Pakistan after a series of incidents, including the raid that killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.
"There are very few people with greater experience over a longer period of time," notes Nicholas Burns, a former career ambassador who has served every secretary of state since Warren Christopher, and was most recently undersecretary for political affairs under Condoleezza Rice."He would be a very, very impressive choice."
"You really need someone who is a renaissance person with a tremendous range of skill, both political and substantive, with a deep reservoir of knowledge" Burns said in an interview. "You need someone who can drill several layers deep on foreign policy issues."
<<< Kerry is one of the well-traveled senators to the Middle East, has a good feel for the region and knows many of the players. Kerry insiders say a Secretary of State Kerry would want to play a big role shaping policy for in the Mideast and try to help solve some of intractable issues, including delving heavily into the peace process.
Kerry also has displayed a particular interest in climate change and energy, and sources say he is likely to give special emphasis to those issues. His wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, has used some of her fortune to support environmental groups.>>>
jrandom421
(1,005 posts)It was he who was leading the charge against BCCI. Remember that? John's been working with and for the Foreign Relations committee ever since he testified at the Winter Soldier investingations by then chairman J. William Fulbright in 1971. Can anyone doubt the depth of his knowledge, experience, and committmitment?
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)But you don't know what you're talking about.
EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)prove me wrong. There's too much at stake.
blm
(113,063 posts)to international issues or to who was actually doing the heavy lifting for the WH.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)for SOS, imo
MBS
(9,688 posts)He will be an outstanding Secretary of State.
And , having been asleep for the special election that ultimately brought us Scott Brown, MA Dems have learned their lesson thoroughly. They will find a strong candidate and they will support that candidate in his/her election.
Scott Brown is not the clear favorite. At all. He lost a lot of credibility in the most recent election.
Mz Pip
(27,448 posts)As far as putting his Senate seat at risk, I think it would hopefully follow that the Democrats would put someone forward who could win. Good grief, there must be a Democrat in MA who could win.
Why would Scott Brown be a favorite to replace Kerry? He just lost. Why would the citizens of MA vote him in this time?
Politicub
(12,165 posts)okieinpain
(9,397 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)and have someone like markey temporarily interim. He is not a good choice for long term though
Vicky can be the senator Mass has not had since Teddy died.
And Vicky knows how to win elections as she helped Ted beat Mitt badly a few years back