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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:07 PM Feb 2013

UPDATED: McCain: "a lot of ill will towards senator Hagel...he attacked president Bush mercilessly"

Last edited Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:33 PM - Edit history (1)

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McCain then said the following on Fox News.

He will probably get the votes when we return from the recess unless something pops up and that’s doubtful that it will. To be honest with you Neil, it goes back to there is a lot of ill will towards senator Hagel because when he was a Republican he attacked president Bush mercilessly. At one point said he was the worst president since Herbert Hoover. Said the surge was the worst blunder since the Vietnam War which is non-sense. And was very anti his own party and people. People don’t forget that.


According to Claire McCaskill on MSNBC’s Hardball, failure to confirm Chuck Hagel means that he will miss the NATO conference next week and it sends a message to the rest of the world that he maybe does not have the support of the rest of the government.

This is clear evidence that Republicans are willing to jeopardize the security of this country for a political vendetta. It is not for political gain as this transparent move will further degrade their standing with the American citizens.

Full article + video of McCain interview:

http://egbertowillies.com/2013/02/14/breaking-news-republicans-filibuster-chuck-hagel-confirmation-for-being-anti-his-party-video/

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UPDATED: McCain: "a lot of ill will towards senator Hagel...he attacked president Bush mercilessly" (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2013 OP
Expect nothing less from the party of chickenhawks kairos12 Feb 2013 #1
hey John DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #2
Well McCain has long been a major disappointment, siding with the chicken hawks, maddiemom Feb 2013 #62
Hagel was enlisted HillbillyBob Feb 2013 #69
Can we trust McCain's opinion when he chose Palin? Bigbluebrush Feb 2013 #3
... southern_belle Feb 2013 #4
Geez is McCain serious? This is about defending Bush's record? dkf Feb 2013 #5
No Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2013 #22
Where is the shame? Will they ever feel bad they lied us into a war? dkf Feb 2013 #24
I agree they have no shame at all. hrmjustin Feb 2013 #26
Did the people who lied us... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #27
If anybody deserved impeachment, it was George W. Bush and almost his entire (mis-)administration Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2013 #66
3 pieces of the most egregious acts I can remember belong to Bush. dkf Feb 2013 #68
add azureblue Feb 2013 #70
The Ninth Ring The Wizard Feb 2013 #95
Cheney still being out there spouting his bullshit is bad enough when he should be on trial. maddiemom Feb 2013 #65
No this is McCain defending his own place in history usafvet65 Feb 2013 #34
He never should had received any respect on the basis of his military service. LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #36
so this whole thing about Libya is about protecting Bush's honor? PatrynXX Feb 2013 #82
Israel. MIC. All anyone needs to know about what's happening here. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #6
Chalk up another one for AIPAC Joe Bacon Feb 2013 #12
I'm not prepared to blame AIPAC...unless Dems bail. THEN it's AIPAC. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #14
The current delay is certainly part of a plan to GoneFishin Feb 2013 #47
You got it. Trying to find something to peel away Dem support and weaken TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #48
Yes, of course leftynyc Feb 2013 #20
It's not Israel's fault, as a people. It's the Republican pro-Israel wackjobs who enforce neocon TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #21
Israel hasn't said one word about Hagel leftynyc Feb 2013 #40
Read this, and tell me that it isn't some pro-Israeli interests that are trying to bring him TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #43
Not dishonest in the slightest leftynyc Feb 2013 #46
Not understanding your tone. You aren't acknowledging the nature of questioning at the hearing. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #50
Did you even watch the last week? leftynyc Feb 2013 #51
Neocons = war in the middle east, pro-Israeli-interest foreign policy, and $$$ for the MIC. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #53
+1 Behind the Aegis Feb 2013 #87
That will sound like a ringing endorsement to most people BeyondGeography Feb 2013 #7
To reality based people everywhere. Cha Feb 2013 #55
Bush had a record worse than Herbert Hoover, and should never have blighted the Oval Office Nika Feb 2013 #8
Bush deserved the attacks. Third Doctor Feb 2013 #9
Yes, but connecticut yankee Feb 2013 #28
he endorsed no one in 2008 - though as a sitting Republican senator that's not good karynnj Feb 2013 #73
One more kindergarten round of "GOP Kill The Messenger" lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #10
I love it...... Jake2413 Feb 2013 #11
playing dangerous games oldandhappy Feb 2013 #13
Hagel's remarks against Bush have nothing to do with it. pacalo Feb 2013 #15
Anyone who would actively obstruct/oppose all efforts to account for/rescue dgibby Feb 2013 #38
You are all missing the reasons for Hagel's troubles Clyde Tenson Feb 2013 #44
That's pretty much my view. Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #52
That's exactly it. pacalo Feb 2013 #63
This sums it up. They are working full tilt to "get something" on Hagel. LuckyLib Feb 2013 #77
Thanks so much for spelling it out, totally agree Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #84
McCain re Hagel ..."when he was a Republican..." No Vested Interest Feb 2013 #16
I noticed that as well Inuca Feb 2013 #18
Awesome, make them defend Bush the Lesser in public. nt bemildred Feb 2013 #17
Its fun to watch an Iraq war WMD cheerleader lecture America on National Security. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #19
Non-sense? AlbertCat Feb 2013 #23
BOMS. Bitter Old Man Syndrome. Jennicut Feb 2013 #25
LOL--I skimmed over "100 years old" and then I finally noticed it. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #31
AKA ODS.. Obama Derangement Syndrome.. Cha Feb 2013 #88
"When we return from the recess?" connecticut yankee Feb 2013 #29
I want to watch this on MSNBC SCVDem Feb 2013 #30
What a freaking hypocrite! NYtoBush-Drop Dead Feb 2013 #32
He should be anti his own party because they are a bunch of assholes. snort Feb 2013 #33
"...he attacked president Bush mercilessly" Botany Feb 2013 #35
it's cute that McFiveplanes and his southern belle snuggle bunny have bush's back.. frylock Feb 2013 #37
In 2008, didn't McCain declare that Hagel was one of his top choices NewJeffCT Feb 2013 #39
That was before the Tea Party was created BlueDemKev Feb 2013 #42
Thank YOU! Blue Belle Feb 2013 #49
The vote was 58-40, with 60 votes needed for cloture. BlueDemKev Feb 2013 #41
McVain Hates Hagel For Criticising Bush? DallasNE Feb 2013 #45
The surge also worked because we paid one faction not to shoot at us. Botany Feb 2013 #57
That Was The Awakening DallasNE Feb 2013 #60
Poor resident bush.. Cha Feb 2013 #54
McCain: Corrupt and past his sell-by date Hekate Feb 2013 #56
it's not about his qualifications only that repugs are sissies samsingh Feb 2013 #58
So the complaint against Hagel is... HONESTY? aquart Feb 2013 #59
and accuracy ThomThom Feb 2013 #101
Yeah. They care about this country & how OUR tax dollars are spent. Wake up, fools! judesedit Feb 2013 #61
I can see why they feel that way. If I loved Bush and loved the Iraqi War, I'd feel the same way nt Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #64
Senator, did you just admit your party is filled with political hacks? bucolic_frolic Feb 2013 #67
McCain is a two-faced hypocrite ... copperearth Feb 2013 #71
He still can't believe he's not president. That's his problem. lexw Feb 2013 #72
R E T I R E already! graywarrior Feb 2013 #74
He is old enough Iwillnevergiveup Feb 2013 #110
I think this is the Hagel interview; ironically, he said McCain was the best of the 2008 Republicans muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #75
I wish McCain was equally pissed about those who attack President Obama mercilessly LonePirate Feb 2013 #76
You mean the frat boy who defeated you in South Carolina ... GeorgeGist Feb 2013 #78
Go away please hibbing Feb 2013 #79
MCPAIN sit down and ST Crap Up goclark Feb 2013 #80
The word he wants is "accurately." Deep13 Feb 2013 #81
DonViejo Diclotican Feb 2013 #83
I am going to argue a couple of points with Sergeant Hagel jmowreader Feb 2013 #85
Hagel is still a republican you bitter prune. Cha Feb 2013 #86
And if Bush* hadn't attacked you, Senator, you probably would have had the 2000 nomination Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #89
In retrospect (for all to see) - Deservedly so....Give me an argument against dude.... LaPera Feb 2013 #90
Attack is the wrong word. Bush attacked Iraq mercilessly. DFW Feb 2013 #91
I really don't get McLame's loyalty to the Chimp. BlueStater Feb 2013 #92
Bingo BlueStater. nt bonniebgood Feb 2013 #93
John McCain The Wizard Feb 2013 #94
McCain attacks without mercy oldandhappy Feb 2013 #96
mccain is a jerk, and he deserved everything he got from bush and rove. mccain will long be still_one Feb 2013 #97
why do so many people say they 'respect' him Whisp Feb 2013 #98
Bush deserved whatever Hagel said about him AndyA Feb 2013 #99
Every time McCain wants something he should be given the back door. LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #100
Republicans hate those who don't pretend "Imagine all the (("Christian", White)) people"their way. patrice Feb 2013 #102
He told the truth. That is not attacking. That is stating facts. appleannie1 Feb 2013 #103
Based upon McCain's comment, if the Republican are ever able to avebury Feb 2013 #104
I am all for love. Rain Mcloud Feb 2013 #105
LOL--thanks for this. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #108
Hello, Whine-One-One? peace frog Feb 2013 #106
Joe McCarthy, again? nwduke Feb 2013 #107
wonder who will replace McCain when he retires? Arizona has a pile of waiter nuts (R)s, retire him Sunlei Feb 2013 #109

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
2. hey John
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:13 PM
Feb 2013

remember when members of yoru own party tried to ruin you because you dared challenge Bush for the nomination?

You probably forgot.

You have long ago burned out your goodwill as a war hero; I hope that when Old Age comes and gets you, he directs you to the nearest part of hell, run by Vietcong.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
62. Well McCain has long been a major disappointment, siding with the chicken hawks,
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 05:34 PM
Feb 2013

but this is pretty harsh on the old guy, all considered. The Chicken Hawks in the Republican party are unbelievable! Hagel is a Republican, an actual combat vet with purple hearts. He's receiving the John Kerry treatment from his own party, although he's a perfect example of President Obama's reaching across party lines. Disagreeing with Dubya? That's classic. McCain is pretty much the only major Repub who's actually served in an at risk position...and we'll never hear the end of it, no matter how much respect he deserves. Mongering war and dissing those who've actually served ( Rumsfeld,was never in action) is a right wing ploy that needs to be destroyed with common sense.

southern_belle

(1,647 posts)
4. ...
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:27 PM
Feb 2013
This is clear evidence that Republicans are willing to jeopardize the security of this country for a political vendetta. It is not for political gain as this transparent move will further degrade their standing with the American citizens.


Proud Liberal Dem

(24,426 posts)
22. No
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:24 AM
Feb 2013

it's about defending Bush's "honor" and "integrity", apparently. At least, that what it sounds like. Is McCain SERIOUSLY defending Bush's (unnecessary) foreign policy f-ups in Iraq????


Is anybody but him still defending Bush/Cheney on Iraq? Seriously?

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
27. Did the people who lied us...
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:09 PM
Feb 2013

into Vietnam Nam ever really feel bad? No. As to "Fog of War", McNamara was just trying to resurrect some of his image before he croaked

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,426 posts)
66. If anybody deserved impeachment, it was George W. Bush and almost his entire (mis-)administration
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 06:12 PM
Feb 2013

I can't believe that the country ever took Clinton's impeachment over lying about sex so seriously and the UNNECESSARY deaths of 4K soldiers and lord only knows how many innocent Iraqis just to remove a single dictator who and his cronies whom weren't a threat to anybody outside their borders............. If there is a hell, there ought to be a special place reserved for what they did IMHO

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
68. 3 pieces of the most egregious acts I can remember belong to Bush.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 06:30 PM
Feb 2013

Bush v Gore, lying about the Iraq War and the Irresponsible Bush tax cuts. They all belong to George W Bush. He is without a doubt the worst president ever in the history of our country.

azureblue

(2,149 posts)
70. add
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 07:17 PM
Feb 2013

the flooding of New Orleans (due to Bush cutting the levee repair money, starting in 2002) and Bush's failure to prepare for Katrina and have rescue units ready for when it passed. And for trying to turn the La. rescue op into a political advantage.

The Wizard

(12,546 posts)
95. The Ninth Ring
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:02 AM
Feb 2013

of Dante's Ninth Circle is where you'll find the defenders of the Bush cartel. That is John McCain, political whore.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
65. Cheney still being out there spouting his bullshit is bad enough when he should be on trial.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 05:48 PM
Feb 2013

It's sad to know that McCain has lost what have should be a highly respected status, by bitter defense of a party that doesn't deserve it. Can you imagine McCain meeting Eisenhower in the hereafter? I'd love to hear the conversation.

usafvet65

(46 posts)
34. No this is McCain defending his own place in history
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:50 PM
Feb 2013

its him doing everything he can to prove he and the other neocons had it right on invading Iraq. Forget that we NEVER found WMDs

McCain once held a place of honor NOW he is a small little man who doesn't deserve the respect I would give a rock in my driveway.

His behavior toward President Obama suggest to me that he is also a racist. Nothing this "black" President ever does would meet McCain's approval.

I guess the best way to describe my distain for him is that it is equal to the distain he shows to this President and anyone who has ever crossed him. This country would be so much better off if McCain and his buddy Graham would just fade away taking their hatred with them.

I can't wait to see Hubris: "The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War" the documentary on MSNBC Monday 9:00 EST.

Based on the book: http://www.amazon.com/Hubris-Inside-Story-Scandal-Selling/dp/030734682X/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360946722&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=Huburis

McCain is going to blow a gasket.

LiberalFighter

(51,020 posts)
36. He never should had received any respect on the basis of his military service.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:07 PM
Feb 2013

It wasn't anything to sneeze about compared to those that did their job and didn't treat it like play.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
82. so this whole thing about Libya is about protecting Bush's honor?
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 12:48 AM
Feb 2013

seriously he's senile...

I don't think Rick Santorum sees it that way according to his lame spam emails I keep getting where he had a typo the last time. which basically said Republicans don't want someone who is Pro Israel. Wonder if they check their emails before they send them out.

We've had 2 surges. neither of them worked. One under Bush and one under Obama..

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
47. The current delay is certainly part of a plan to
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:51 PM
Feb 2013

whittle away at support for Hagel. No way is this simply time for innocent pondering. No doubt they will look for some dirt. But more significantly, they have held open this window of time to allow foreign interest lobby groups to hammer democrats to withdraw their support for Hagel.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
48. You got it. Trying to find something to peel away Dem support and weaken
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:55 PM
Feb 2013

Obama's resolve on Hagel. It's really disgusting.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
20. Yes, of course
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:14 AM
Feb 2013

It MUST be Israel's fault that McCain went on CNN and confessed this was all about payback. It absolutely MUST be Israel's fault or so many of the people here just wont be able to sleep. Blech.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
21. It's not Israel's fault, as a people. It's the Republican pro-Israel wackjobs who enforce neocon
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:19 AM
Feb 2013

foreign policy in this country. Hagel's biggest detractor by far is "Emergency Committee For Israel". Why pretend otherwise? John McCain clearly has a bug up his ass, but politics is just a part of it.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
40. Israel hasn't said one word about Hagel
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:37 PM
Feb 2013

and even AIPAC (who are Americans and have every right to their opinion) has said nothing. But many here continue to blame Israel (I never said it was the Israeli people). You want to blame the republicans, blame the republicans (which would be true) but Israel getting bashed over this is dishonest but pathetically predictable on DU.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
43. Read this, and tell me that it isn't some pro-Israeli interests that are trying to bring him
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:44 PM
Feb 2013

down, along with other interests (defense industry):

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/02/hagels-adc-speech-long-sought-by-rightwing-blogs-157059.html

It's just impossible to ignore the nature of attacks against Hagel. That doesn't mean all of Israel or AIPAC or Jewish people should be blamed, but it's dishonest not to acknowledge some of the elements involved here.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
46. Not dishonest in the slightest
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:51 PM
Feb 2013

The republicans keep moving the goal posts on Hagel's confirmation wanting more and more irrelevant information. That's the REPUBLICANS doing that....not Israel. So very nice of you not to blame all the Jews for this. Really, so very sweet.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
50. Not understanding your tone. You aren't acknowledging the nature of questioning at the hearing.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:32 PM
Feb 2013

We all saw it. Over and over, it was all about support of Israel--even Lorne Michaels had to mock it. When Hagel's name was first floated in December, a Republican aide said "Send us Hagel and we'll make sure everyone knows he's an anti-semite." That's been almost the ENTIRE basis of attacks on him. Iran is secondary, but since they're not really going to attack us, one might assume that also relates to Israel. If Hagel goes down, it will most likely be a statement related to Israel. They are searching for it, desperately. In the same way I don't think the Tea Party represents all of the US, I also don't think these neocon/pro-Israel interests represent all of Israel or people of Jewish faith in America. But to ignore the obvious weapon used to bludgeon this man (his insufficient faithfulness to Israel) is total cognitive dissonance.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
51. Did you even watch the last week?
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:37 PM
Feb 2013

It was all Benghazi -wanting more info on Benghazi - it's not just McCain, it's the moron Graham also. They gave up on the Israel thing weeks ago when it was obvious that was a bogus argument. Yet, here it's still the "neo-cons" and the fault of Israel.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
53. Neocons = war in the middle east, pro-Israeli-interest foreign policy, and $$$ for the MIC.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:44 PM
Feb 2013

They are the biggest opposers of Hagel, and of Obama's foreign policy direction in general. You are just dancing around everything I'm saying. Benghazi is a bone they won't let go of, but it's not what's going to stop Hagel from being confirmed. Jennifer Rubin posts daily rumors and attacks on Hagel, and Repub Senators take all of their attacks on him directly from Rubin, Kristol, and the Free Beacon, literally word for word in some cases. Sheldon Adelson funds the attack ads and directly calls Senators. That's not Benghazi. That's not GOP disloyalty. That's American right wing pro-Israel nutjobs taking the lead in tearing down this nomination, and the GOP Senators are willing puppets.

Behind the Aegis

(53,975 posts)
87. +1
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:29 AM
Feb 2013

Nailed it again. Israel is nothing but a red herring in this political show. It is amazing how many can't see past the smoke and mirrors, but in all honesty, I can guess why.

Nika

(546 posts)
8. Bush had a record worse than Herbert Hoover, and should never have blighted the Oval Office
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:46 PM
Feb 2013

McCain and other ReThugs of the filibuster they claimed they never would stage can drop dead for putting vendetta above national security.

I have nothing but disdain for McCain and crew.

Third Doctor

(1,574 posts)
9. Bush deserved the attacks.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:55 PM
Feb 2013

Hagel supported you when Bush smeared you in 2000 Mccain. This is how you him back. They loe blind obidiance i the GOP.

lindysalsagal

(20,718 posts)
10. One more kindergarten round of "GOP Kill The Messenger"
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:27 AM
Feb 2013

And as usual, no one gives a rats ass what John McCain thinks.

They're all microphone whores. If they don't see themselves on the news, they imagine some satanic conspiracy to bring the press back around.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
13. playing dangerous games
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:11 AM
Feb 2013

All this will come back to bite you, John. Way too much instant communication these days. You going home? Just curious.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
15. Hagel's remarks against Bush have nothing to do with it.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:59 AM
Feb 2013

If McCain were being truthful, then McCain is a two-faced hypocrite.

How loyal is John McCain? He's turning his back on & stomping on his former campaign manager's -- & former Republican friend's -- chance to become the nation's defense secretary because Hagel rebuked the same man idiot that McCain himself sharply criticized to a conservative news rag in 2008 when it served his purpose:

In an interview with the conservative Washington Times, McCain recited a laundry list of issues on which he thought Bush had failed: "Spending, the conduct of the war in Iraq for years, growth in the size of government - larger than any time since the Great Society." He also included "laying a $10 trillion debt on future generations of America" and "owing $500 billion to China."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/john-mccain-turns-attacks-new-target-president-bush-article-1.299997#ixzz2KwwEpvis


From the Washington Times interview linked in the above excerpt:

“Spending, the conduct of the war in Iraq for years, growth in the size of government, larger than any time since the Great Society, laying a $10 trillion debt on future generations of America, owing $500 billion to China, obviously, failure to both enforce and modernize the [financial] regulatory agencies that were designed for the 1930s and certainly not for the 21st century, failure to address the issue of climate change seriously,” Mr. McCain said in an interview with The Washington Times aboard his campaign plane en route from New Hampshire to Ohio.

(...)

He rejected Mr. Bush’s use of issuing “signing statements” when he signs bills into law, in which the president has suggested that he would ignore elements of the bills, labeling them potentially unconstitutional.

(...)

And Mr. McCain emphatically rejected Mr. Bush’s claims of executive privilege, often used to shield the White House from scrutiny.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/23/mccain-lambastes-bush-years/#ixzz2Kx0sp4GF


I have to agree with what I heard earlier this evening on Lawrence O'Donnell's show: It's not about Chuck Hagel's criticism of Bush; it's all about obstruction.

McCain is a disloyal, two-faced scumbag.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
38. Anyone who would actively obstruct/oppose all efforts to account for/rescue
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:32 PM
Feb 2013

his fellow POWS/MIAS is more than disloyal. He's a criminal and should have been prosecuted. We should have paid the Viet Cong to keep him.

 

Clyde Tenson

(65 posts)
44. You are all missing the reasons for Hagel's troubles
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:00 PM
Feb 2013

It's not McCain's personal vendetta, it's not Lindsey Graham protecting his right flank, it's not Inhofe's bull shit...it's obstruction pure and simple, produced and directed by the paymasters. Think about it...who more than anyone wants the U.S. to be engaged in perpetual war? These "elected" whores are just following orders. Everything else that they throw out, for reasons to deny Hagel, is just smoke and mirrors. However, McCain did say something truthful. This delay might buy time to see what else might pop up outta Hagel's closet. And you can bet your sweet ass that "the boys in the back room" are feverishly digging for it. I'm just sayin'.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
52. That's pretty much my view.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:42 PM
Feb 2013

It's not an apolitical vendetta. It's being undertaken by those in the MIC who don't want to see Defense cuts, and who most desperately want a war with Iraq (for a whole complex of immoral reasons).

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
63. That's exactly it.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 05:35 PM
Feb 2013

But McCain's double standard & hypocrisy really rubs me the wrong way. I saw the clip of his self-righteous tone while making a statement to the media about the man who had been a good friend to him. Perhaps it's one of the most glaring testaments we'll ever see of just how much of a hold the corporate world has on congress.

Welcome to DU, Clyde!

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
77. This sums it up. They are working full tilt to "get something" on Hagel.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:52 PM
Feb 2013

And McCain? Well, we can't have anyone stepping "out of line" now, can we? We're Rethuglicans!

Welcome to DU!

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
16. McCain re Hagel ..."when he was a Republican..."
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:17 AM
Feb 2013

To my knowledge, Hagel is still a Republican, isn't he?
I never read that he renounced or changed his party allegiance.

Inuca

(8,945 posts)
18. I noticed that as well
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:17 AM
Feb 2013

and I agree, AFAIK he never officially changed his party affiliation. But to McCain and the others of his ilk he is obviously an apostate. I wonder if Hagel will ever change his party affiliation, no matter where his likes and allegiance may actually be. Not change it just for the heck for it. 99.99999% he will never run for political office, so it does not really matter what he calls himself.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
23. Non-sense?
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:31 AM
Feb 2013

Nonsense is now hyphenated?

And, BTW, Bush WAS the worse president....ever. And the Surge was a PR stunt that cost lives.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
25. BOMS. Bitter Old Man Syndrome.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:00 PM
Feb 2013

McCain is STILL bitter about Obama winning and Hagel attacking the surge. What a freaking crybaby at 100 years old.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
30. I want to watch this on MSNBC
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:36 PM
Feb 2013

Last edited Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:41 PM - Edit history (1)

'Hubris: Selling the Iraq War' hosted by Rachel Maddow, Feb. 18 at 9pm E.T./6pm P.T. Monday

Let's see how badly we were really lied to and then see if Chuck Hagel's actions weren't those of a Patriot and Veteran looking out for our country and troops.

They called us Un-American, traitors and much more, just for questioning Bush/Cheney.

Hagel is the hero and I hope this documentary has some smoking guns which take down Lindsey Graham, McCain and the many other Bush loyalists. Rachel has stated that this show will shake up many in Washington.

It could be an interesting return from vacation for congress.

NYtoBush-Drop Dead

(490 posts)
32. What a freaking hypocrite!
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:42 PM
Feb 2013

I didn't notice that MacInSane had Bush on the campaign trail with him and the lip -sticked pig. INterestingly, neither did the Rmoney OR any other repug or bagger running. These "people" and I use that word loosely, should be tossed out on their collective ears after a good tar and feathering and dragging through the town square. I am so sick of their bull$hit.

Botany

(70,553 posts)
35. "...he attacked president Bush mercilessly"
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:54 PM
Feb 2013

And why should that be a problem? The asshole stole 2 elections, lied us into wars,
and drove the country into a ditch and then set it on fire?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
37. it's cute that McFiveplanes and his southern belle snuggle bunny have bush's back..
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:23 PM
Feb 2013

you can't buy loyalty like that.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
39. In 2008, didn't McCain declare that Hagel was one of his top choices
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:35 PM
Feb 2013

for Secretary of State if he were to win the presidency?

And, in 2000, McCain said Hagel was his ideal choice for Sec of Defense when he was running against Bush?

BlueDemKev

(3,003 posts)
41. The vote was 58-40, with 60 votes needed for cloture.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:40 PM
Feb 2013

And who was among the 40 Republican assholes? Johnson (WI), Kirk (IL), and Toomey (PA), all of whom occupy seats which would have easily remained Democratic had Democratic voters simply gone out and voted on Nov. 2, 2010.

Our impeccable get-out-the-vote drive we had in 2012 must be in place in EVERY election going forward (and not just presidential elections).

Every election, Every time...VOTE!!!
Vote as if your life depends on it...because it does!

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
45. McVain Hates Hagel For Criticising Bush?
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:18 PM
Feb 2013

Let's face it, Bush was in over his head and Cheney was an ends justify the means disaster. Together that does make Bush in the top 3 for worst President ever.

As far as McCain and his love affair with the surge that ended up killing over 1,000 Americans a solid argument could be made that both the Awakening that preceded the surge an al Sadr standing down his troops in September 2007(?) were both more consequential than the surge without the huge cost in lost lives. McCain is simply an opinionated old man that has lost his grip.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
60. That Was The Awakening
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:32 PM
Feb 2013

It started before the surge and overlapped part of the surge. It was confined to Sunni areas in Iraq. Why al Sadr stood down his troops nobody knows but he was living and studying in Iran at the time so was it pressure from Iran or pressure from the surge. If it was pressure from the surge one would think that he would have attempted to extract some kind of concession in return for standing down his troops. A good argument can be made that is was a big waste of American lives and treasure. The surge in Afghanistan didn't change much there so that also bolsters the notion that these other events were far more critical in Iraq than the surge.

Cha

(297,503 posts)
54. Poor resident bush..
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:46 PM
Feb 2013
So did the Iraqi Journalist who threw his shoes at him.. he had it coming.

And, remind me why bush wasn't at the RNC?

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
56. McCain: Corrupt and past his sell-by date
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:03 PM
Feb 2013

Embittered, angry, tantrum-throwing old man.

Did I mention corrupt?

ThomThom

(1,486 posts)
101. and accuracy
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:37 PM
Feb 2013

everything he said was/is true
When are we going to admit to the American people that republican values and policies are bankrupt? Why do we believe they know anything about the economy or world affairs? We need to stop backing Israel and take the economy out of republican's hands. All this waging war and bombing are not getting us any where.

judesedit

(4,440 posts)
61. Yeah. They care about this country & how OUR tax dollars are spent. Wake up, fools!
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 05:32 PM
Feb 2013

McCain LOVED Hagel when he was running. Fair weather friend.

copperearth

(117 posts)
71. McCain is a two-faced hypocrite ...
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 07:52 PM
Feb 2013

McCain is the the most two faced hypocrite. Someone should put together a string of video clips from his presidential race against Barack Obama. He made some very nasty comments and complaints about former President Bush trying to distance himself from a presidency that ended in disaster. And yet he points a finger at former Senator Hagel, calling him a former Republican. Hagel is still a Republican. Just because a Democratic President has nominated him for Secretary of Defense does not mean he has left his Party; although the Party has left him. They are attempting to humiliate him. But Hagel fails to hang his head and quit. Good on 'im!
McCain acts like someone with severe paranoia.

lexw

(804 posts)
72. He still can't believe he's not president. That's his problem.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:57 PM
Feb 2013

He's a useless part of our government now.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,347 posts)
75. I think this is the Hagel interview; ironically, he said McCain was the best of the 2008 Republicans
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:35 PM
Feb 2013

On foreign policy, anyway.

QUESTIONER: As a student of history -- let me ask this in a provocative way -- can you name a less effective Republican administration -- (laughter) -- since Herbert Hoover and will this one have a comparable effect on your party as Hoover's did in the next generation? (Laughter.)
...
HAGEL: Well -- (laughter) -- you've not failed us, Bob. (Laughter.) I would say that history will make that determination as to -- (boos) -- I'm not finished. I'll give you -- I'm going to give you my -- (laughter) -- people looking for red meat here.

I'll give you my personal opinion. I know I'm not known for that, but -- (laughter) -- that's why I'm so highly regarded at the White House. History will make that determination, as you know, Bob, more than almost anyone. And I'll leave that to history as to its determination. As to my personal opinion, which I have not been shy about sharing, I think as most of you know in speeches or interviews, this administration in my opinion has been as unprepared as any administration I'm aware of, not only the ones that I have been somehow connected to and that's been every administration -- either I've been in Washington or worked within an administration or Congress or some way dealing with them since the first Nixon administration. I would rate this one the lowest in capacity, in capability, in policy, in consensus -- almost every area, I would give it the lowest grade.
...
And so I -- to your question about who is in my opinion closest to my foreign policy, John McCain is the only one that I -- of the candidates that I've worked closely with -- of the Republicans. Now, Joe Biden -- I'm very close to Joe Biden's philosophy about foreign policy. I suppose of all the candidates out there, including McCain, I'm probably closer to Joe Biden's. And I think Biden would be a very good president. I think Joe Biden would be a very good secretary of State.

http://www.cfr.org/iran/conversation-chuck-hagel-rush-transcript-federal-news-service/p14895

LonePirate

(13,429 posts)
76. I wish McCain was equally pissed about those who attack President Obama mercilessly
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:43 PM
Feb 2013

At least people had legitimate reasons to criticize the lies and warmongering of W.

GeorgeGist

(25,322 posts)
78. You mean the frat boy who defeated you in South Carolina ...
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:09 PM
Feb 2013

with cheap racial potshots? McCain is fool.

hibbing

(10,103 posts)
79. Go away please
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:27 PM
Feb 2013

Hey,
I am so sick of him, and let me guess he is on the Sunday shows yet again this weekend.

Peace

goclark

(30,404 posts)
80. MCPAIN sit down and ST Crap Up
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:44 PM
Feb 2013

we are so tired of your Floor Shows.

Did his Mother fail to give him attention when he was hatched?

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
83. DonViejo
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:03 AM
Feb 2013

DonViejo

Bush WAS the worst president - that be democratic or republican since Herbert Hoover.. In fact I would claim that President George Walker Bush, was far worse than Herbert Hoover ever would have been, even on bad day...

Compared to Herbert Hoover - it was a new low for the US when George Walker Bush jr was elected - and he damaged the United States beyond recognition, for decades to come.. And he singlehandedly almost ruined the alliance who for more than 60 year, had being standing together with the US against other enemies - NATO..

Diclotican

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
85. I am going to argue a couple of points with Sergeant Hagel
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:18 AM
Feb 2013

First, George W. Bush wasn't "the worst president since Herbert Hoover," he was "a worse president than Herbert Hoover."

The other is his assertion that the surge was the worst military blunder since the Vietnam War. The whole Iraq war was a worse military blunder than the Vietnam War; the surge made the Charge of the Light Brigade look like a sensible military exercise.

Cha

(297,503 posts)
86. Hagel is still a republican you bitter prune.
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:27 AM
Feb 2013

Just not an insipid bag of weak tea like yourself.

LaPera

(6,486 posts)
90. In retrospect (for all to see) - Deservedly so....Give me an argument against dude....
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:07 AM
Feb 2013

the FACTS of that criminal Bush administration - Of curare they are yelling - they want to continue their sick Republican ideology - Olicarcy...

We won't have it! (Nor should any thinking American, as they push their brand of patriotism in our faces, for whom, their gain & empire).

DFW

(54,428 posts)
91. Attack is the wrong word. Bush attacked Iraq mercilessly.
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:03 AM
Feb 2013

Hagel criticized Bush for doing it, and rightly so. Just because McCain and the rest of his party refused to face reality doesn't mean Hagel was a traitor because he had the common sense to do so and the courage to put country before party.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
92. I really don't get McLame's loyalty to the Chimp.
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 07:33 AM
Feb 2013

Something is wrong with that geezer's head. He has nothing but anger and hatred for Barack Obama yet heaps endless praise on the asswipe who smeared his family back in 2000.

Time to retire, Gramps. You're going senile.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
96. McCain attacks without mercy
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 12:05 PM
Feb 2013

in the name of statesmanship!! Write to his office and tell him if you agree with him, or not. He needs to hear from some one other than his 'base' when it comes to national issues.

still_one

(92,330 posts)
97. mccain is a jerk, and he deserved everything he got from bush and rove. mccain will long be
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:16 PM
Feb 2013

forgotten in the junk pile of history

However, the president, the start of healthcare reform, banking reform, getting us out of two republican wars, will not be forgotten, just as social security and medicare are a everlasting legacy to the Democratic party, something that the republicans also opposed

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
98. why do so many people say they 'respect' him
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:06 PM
Feb 2013

even tho he is such an ugly asshole?

""John McCain just shouted at a girl scout today, on camera for all to see his perplexing rage, calling her names like Rush would do to Sandra Fluke. Some say this is a bad thing McCain did, but they still respect him because he was a POW about a 100 years ago, so girl scouts have to be aware of this and if they are not, well, their parents didn't teach them right and it's not really John's fault.''

is that why he is such an ugly asshole is because people in the media and his colleagues let him be one?

fuck you John, I have more respect for my dog's pile of poo in the snow than for you.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
99. Bush deserved whatever Hagel said about him
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:15 PM
Feb 2013

Last I heard, Bush LIED to everyone in order to go to war.

Seems the bad feelings should be directed at BUSH and his gang, rather than anyone else. McCain is losing it, and has been for a long time. Anyone who would think that the nit wit from Alaska Sarah Palin was qualified to be Vice President doesn't have all of his marbles.

McCain needs to retire, he's insane.

LiberalFighter

(51,020 posts)
100. Every time McCain wants something he should be given the back door.
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:26 PM
Feb 2013

He wants a report give it to him in French. He wants a tour arrange for him to be frisked, cavity searched, delayed, ...

patrice

(47,992 posts)
102. Republicans hate those who don't pretend "Imagine all the (("Christian", White)) people"their way.
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:53 PM
Feb 2013

Hagel has been fucking with McCain's Royal Flush for a long time.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
104. Based upon McCain's comment, if the Republican are ever able to
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 07:27 PM
Feb 2013

get someone in the White House then the Democrats in Congress should put said Republican President to hell and back every day for the way the Republicans have treated President Obama.

 

Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
105. I am all for love.
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:28 AM
Feb 2013

But sometimes to keep objectivity,you have to recuse oneself.
Say for Major Hurricanes on Birthdays or Defense Secretary Confirmation hearings for example.
Come on guys,get a room!
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nwduke

(351 posts)
107. Joe McCarthy, again?
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 11:41 AM
Feb 2013

The teabagger republicans are becoming more McCarthy oriented and frightening. It's scary when their sole source of information is Fox, Drudge, Hannity and Limbaugh. How can a handful of maniacs have so much control!!! Dems need to get a set and fight back against these extremists. Get rid of Reid and put someone with a backbone as the leader.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
109. wonder who will replace McCain when he retires? Arizona has a pile of waiter nuts (R)s, retire him
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:26 PM
Feb 2013

He's living in his past and can't seem to do any of his current work for his state or in washingtondc.

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